Canon EOS 1D/1Ds Mark III vs Nikon D3/D3x

[eAgles]

Hello Friends,

Need some words of encouragement. After recent D3x news release, I am starting to feel painful. More so after I went to dpreview and did a head to head performance comparison.

Seems that nowadays, Nikon has started to listen to consumers and come up with latest camera gears of generally good customer satisfaction and beyond expectation. Nikon is listening to the mass audience and they doing a very good job. In the early D-years, they were behind no doubt but now they catch up fast and they are the ones that are leading now in the Pro-series after the D3x.

As a Canon fan and user, I am quite disappointed and wanted to share my frustration of how Canon now is lagging behind. I am waiting for Feb 2009 where Canon will release a EOS 3D or a FF 1D Mark IV with 30MP and 10fps with 1080 video. I think Canon needs a new flagship to win the Pro-series arena. In fact, from recent Beijing Olympics it seems white lenses are getting lesser compared to couple years ago. Isn't that alarming?? How long does the people have to wait for Canon to match up?

[sprewell]

potential flame thread spotted.

[CYRN]

Juz dig up an old thread...

http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305541

Any change since C vs N was discussed?

[dDarkroom]

yawn

[JoeJerry]

shoot more, talk later

Originally Posted by eAgles Hello Friends, Need some words of encouragement. After recent D3x news release, I am starting to feel painful. More so after I went to dpreview and did a head to head performance comparison. Seems that nowadays, Nikon has started to listen to consumers and come up with latest camera gears of generally good customer satisfaction and beyond expectation. Nikon is listening to the mass audience and they doing a very good job. In the early D-years, they were behind no doubt but now they catch up fast and they are the ones that are leading now in the Pro-series after the D3x. As a Canon fan and user, I am quite disappointed and wanted to share my frustration of how Canon now is lagging behind. I am waiting for Feb 2009 where Canon will release a EOS 3D or a FF 1D Mark IV with 30MP and 10fps with 1080 video. I think Canon needs a new flagship to win the Pro-series arena. In fact, from recent Beijing Olympics it seems white lenses are getting lesser compared to couple years ago. Isn't that alarming?? How long does the people have to wait for Canon to match up?

[charlesleong]

i'm happy with my canon equipment, but if you think Nikon has more to offer, why don't you try their equipment and tell us how that goes...

please don't start a brand war here...

talk to Nikon users and they'll tell you that the 5D is a great camera
talk to Canon users and they'll say the same thing about the D3...

[eAgles]

Just want an honest humble opinion, and objective fact-to-fact comparison. Not really my intention to start a debate or worse, a brand war, folks! Just be objective, please. The camera is a tool. Don't you want to know what is the best tool around now? I thought that is the purpose of a forum, ie. for members to present their views and discuss.

[eAgles]

Originally Posted by CYRN Juz dig up an old thread... http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305541 Any change since C vs N was discussed?

Oops, didn't know that there is one oredi. The subject of my thread seems to be even more direct. No harm intended. I think we have to postpone the match till Feb 09 when C release new specs. Hope C is not sleeping.

[CYRN]

Originally Posted by eAgles Oops, didn't know that there is one oredi. The subject of my thread seems to be even more direct. No harm intended. I think we have to postpone the match till Feb 09 when C release new specs. Hope C is not sleeping.

This normally gets updated whichever side intro a new cam... then was D300... now it's D3x... next time there will be another comparing D4/D4x

But you can see since the intro of D200, Nikon is more value for $$$ (BODY only)... there's still the other half of the equation, the lenses.

And you can easily see where Canon is heading wif intro of 5D2... MEGA-PIXEL RACE is ON! Expect 50MP sensor for the 5D3.

[eAgles]

Originally Posted by CYRN But you can see since the intro of D200, Nikon is more value for $$$ (BODY only)... there's still the other half of the equation, the lenses.

Ya, man! You are right on! Absolutely agreed. No prejudice or biased.

[eAgles]

Originally Posted by CYRN And you can easily see where Canon is heading wif intro of 5D2... MEGA-PIXEL RACE is ON! Expect 50MP sensor for the 5D3.

I would be more interested to see what is Canon's strategy in 2009. New flagship or megapixel race. I think it is too early to tell. I hope this time they realise and really do something on the 1D3 successor.

It would be great if they could consolidate everything into one new flagship, fullframe "3D" with high megapixel and 11fps, optional 1.3x etc ie. major and significant enhancements to win the crowd.

[bernstein1234]

If Canon were to come out with the 1Ds MkIV, it's gonna cost a bomb, probably more ex than D3X.

[eAgles]

Originally Posted by bernstein1234 If Canon were to come out with the 1Ds MkIV, it's gonna cost a bomb, probably more ex than D3X.

Won't be good for the market now considering the global financial crisis? Guess they might retarget the price. I think it is about time for them to release new specs for 1DMkIV. This should be next in line to the 5DMkII release but I am just hoping with fingers crossed. 1Ds might have to wait coz just release this year. The megapixel and video revolution in DSLR has just started. Not sure if we will see more new innovations coming next year which just around the corner... Canon fans are waiting eagerly at least for me.

[tingm]

Originally Posted by eAgles As a Canon fan and user, I am quite disappointed and wanted to share my frustration of how Canon now is lagging behind. I am waiting for Feb 2009 where Canon will release a EOS 3D or a FF 1D Mark IV with 30MP and 10fps with 1080 video.

bro,
When you say you are "disappointed", and want to share your "frustration", I think you have no idea how awesome the current 1Ds Mk3 is. Nikon's D3x looks really good too, I just haven't had the experience of shooting with it.

What I am saying is, today's camera is very very very good. Today I shot an advertising shot at ISO 800 on the 1Ds Mk3, and the art director (they are normally very grain conscious) told me, why not bump the shutter speed and use ISO 1600 instead?

The files are THAT good. I can confidently say that the ISO 800 today is comparable to ISO 200 of yesterday's cameras. Not to mention the 14 bit gradation, it is very very smooth.

What I am saying is, every camera in the market today are all very good. I shot with a Nikon D50 a few months ago (due to needing a small size body), and was IMPRESSED with the files.

Of course we human beings are never satisfied (like me wanting 2 SD card slots in my Mk3), but to say "disappointment" and "frustration" is a hyperbole, IMO.


We live in great times. Heck I don't even touch my Sinar anymore.

[JoshSiao]

I'd hope to see improvement in lenses. Alot of lenses are starting to be behind time in terms of optics and AF and the cameras are outresolving their lenses. Canon seems to be slowly updating its L series with newer flagships that are usable and affordable.

In a long shot, I'd say physics is the limit. They will reach a megapixel wall where increasing pixel density on the 35mm format brings back the noise, sensitivity problems and MF becomes affordable. Then they'll replace the 35mm format with MF digital format or inbetween (1.6x/1.5x) or split the 35mm sensor into 2 or 3 individual 35mm sensors for another resolution jump (no bayer interpolation; but how they'll achieve that is amazing while still keeping to the key words: SLR) Or instead of a megapixel race, your camera can now make coffee.

Personally, if you make me choose between the 1D III and D3, I'd take D3. If you ask me to choose between the 1Ds III and D3x, I'd take 1Ds III. But then again I can't afford any of them.

[Free Agent]

kepo kepo la ...

Canon bring out the 5D mark 2 a 21 mp DSLR and sell it at $4k sin .. so what did we see ??

It's a 21mp full frame capable camera .. at 21 mp this is more than enough for 99.percent photography .. you properly cannot tell the many different as compare to a 12plus mp camera if you print it at up to A2 size .. and who the hull need to print A2 size all the time ??

When Canon drop 5D mark2 , it's a so call era or a pricing revolution of the DSLR , the pricing had make it a point that bigger mp DSLR will be cheaper and affortable in the future ... and not something nikon had done with the D3x ....

well well well .....

[ahbian]

Originally Posted by eAgles Hello Friends, Need some words of encouragement. After recent D3x news release, I am starting to feel painful. More so after I went to dpreview and did a head to head performance comparison. Seems that nowadays, Nikon has started to listen to consumers and come up with latest camera gears of generally good customer satisfaction and beyond expectation. Nikon is listening to the mass audience and they doing a very good job. In the early D-years, they were behind no doubt but now they catch up fast and they are the ones that are leading now in the Pro-series after the D3x. As a Canon fan and user, I am quite disappointed and wanted to share my frustration of how Canon now is lagging behind. I am waiting for Feb 2009 where Canon will release a EOS 3D or a FF 1D Mark IV with 30MP and 10fps with 1080 video. I think Canon needs a new flagship to win the Pro-series arena. In fact, from recent Beijing Olympics it seems white lenses are getting lesser compared to couple years ago. Isn't that alarming?? How long does the people have to wait for Canon to match up?

Why painful and frustrated? Your current camera doesn't do the job you want it to do?

[eAgles]

Originally Posted by tingm Of course we human beings are never satisfied (like me wanting 2 SD card slots in my Mk3), but to say "disappointment" and "frustration" is a hyperbole, IMO.

Yes, I think I overstated it but can't find a better word. Few years back, C was leading. Now, N is setting the bar. The race is very close I agree and we cannot say who is better these days anymore. So easier way to compare is spec to spec and who has more to offer. Currently, no doubt N has it.

We are living in days of Moore's Law. Density doubles every year and cost drops.

[eAgles]

Originally Posted by JoshSiao I'd hope to see improvement in lenses. Alot of lenses are starting to be behind time in terms of optics and AF and the cameras are outresolving their lenses. Canon seems to be slowly updating its L series with newer flagships that are usable and affordable. In a long shot, I'd say physics is the limit. They will reach a megapixel wall where increasing pixel density on the 35mm format brings back the noise, sensitivity problems and MF becomes affordable. Then they'll replace the 35mm format with MF digital format or inbetween (1.6x/1.5x) or split the 35mm sensor into 2 or 3 individual 35mm sensors for another resolution jump (no bayer interpolation; but how they'll achieve that is amazing while still keeping to the key words: SLR) Or instead of a megapixel race, your camera can now make coffee. Personally, if you make me choose between the 1D III and D3, I'd take D3. If you ask me to choose between the 1Ds III and D3x, I'd take 1Ds III. But then again I can't afford any of them.

Yes, bro. This is a hypothetical discussion.

[eAgles]

Originally Posted by Free Agent kepo kepo la ... Canon bring out the 5D mark 2 a 21 mp DSLR and sell it at $4k sin .. so what did we see ?? It's a 21mp full frame capable camera .. at 21 mp this is more than enough for 99.percent photography .. you properly cannot tell the many different as compare to a 12plus mp camera if you print it at up to A2 size .. and who the hull need to print A2 size all the time ?? When Canon drop 5D mark2 , it's a so call era or a pricing revolution of the DSLR , the pricing had make it a point that bigger mp DSLR will be cheaper and affortable in the future ... and not something nikon had done with the D3x .... well well well .....

Again, Moore's Law and market demand will dictate this.