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    Hi people, I'm not sure where this post should go, so I put it up here, if this is wrong, forgive me k?

    Okay, I've got a couple of questions, here goes -

    1. For paid shoots, does the model have any control over where the photos go? ie. can the models request that the photographers use them as personal practise, and not post it up online anywhere for viewing for others? Esp. in the case of lingerie and nude shoots, some local girls might be personally ok with having such photos taken, but I think what a lot of them are afraid of is having the photos leaked out and seen by friends/family/SOs in real life and causing them problems in their personal life. Are photographers willing to accept such requests?

    2. What is the difference between nude shoots, and erotic shoots? Where is the line? Any examples/descriptions of poses for what goes under which? And where does 'fetish' shoots come in?

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    1. i thinkk, from what i've read around here, if the shoot is paid, the model has no control. because the buyer is king.

    2. nude shoots focus more on the form of the human body depicted in a non-suggestive manner, erotic shoots photographs are sexually suggestive and fetish photography is a play on fetishist situations (eg. bondage or whatever fetishes have you). people say the line is very debatable but to me its quite clear.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nude_photography
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_photography
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetish_photography

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfurr View Post
    1. i thinkk, from what i've read around here, if the shoot is paid, the model has no control. because the buyer is king.

    I second that.

    IF you are paid, the buyer has all rights of using the photos.

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    1. By default, copyright goes to the photographer. In the case of nude or lingerie shoots, you can enter into an agreement with the photographer not to post it up online. This is a perfectly acceptable request which most bona fide photographers will accept and honour.

    2. Rather than to try to find definitions since different people define things differently, it is better to negotiate with your photographer what each of your expectations are and make things clear before proceeding. That is better than a misunderstanding later on.

    Quote Originally Posted by jessicax View Post
    Hi people, I'm not sure where this post should go, so I put it up here, if this is wrong, forgive me k?

    Okay, I've got a couple of questions, here goes -

    1. For paid shoots, does the model have any control over where the photos go? ie. can the models request that the photographers use them as personal practise, and not post it up online anywhere for viewing for others? Esp. in the case of lingerie and nude shoots, some local girls might be personally ok with having such photos taken, but I think what a lot of them are afraid of is having the photos leaked out and seen by friends/family/SOs in real life and causing them problems in their personal life. Are photographers willing to accept such requests?

    2. What is the difference between nude shoots, and erotic shoots? Where is the line? Any examples/descriptions of poses for what goes under which? And where does 'fetish' shoots come in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessicax View Post
    Hi people, I'm not sure where this post should go, so I put it up here, if this is wrong, forgive me k?

    Okay, I've got a couple of questions, here goes -

    1. For paid shoots, does the model have any control over where the photos go? ie. can the models request that the photographers use them as personal practise, and not post it up online anywhere for viewing for others? Esp. in the case of lingerie and nude shoots, some local girls might be personally ok with having such photos taken, but I think what a lot of them are afraid of is having the photos leaked out and seen by friends/family/SOs in real life and causing them problems in their personal life. Are photographers willing to accept such requests?


    2. What is the difference between nude shoots, and erotic shoots? Where is the line? Any examples/descriptions of poses for what goes under which? And where does 'fetish' shoots come in?
    1) For the above, in so far as the rights of the pictures are concerned, the photographer has the rights to the pictures. But the model can come into an agreement with the photographer on the use of the photos. For that, it is best that the photographer and model sit down and discuss the terms prior to the shoot. In the case of a private shoot, it is best that that the model has the contact of the photographer so that in case of any breach of agreement, the model can contact the photographer. Please note however, unless explicitly agreed, the recourse for action is very limited in scope, esp 1) in the context of SG when you do not effectively belong to any agent, and 2) where there is no contract to bind both the model and photographer. This is espcially true if the photos are first taken for personal ports but later to be used for commercial purposes. If it is for commercial purposes at the outset, then a detailed agreement not amounting to contract has to be discussed. That is in my view.


    2) As for this, there are many generalisations and definitions that are mootable points. But in my view, it is this:

    Nude shoots: usually bordering on art. Accentuates the human form and curves with the play on light, colours and shadows. Can go between showing the private areas of none at all.

    Erotic shoots: not exactly suggestive, but of course that is left to interpretation. Example: Playboy, some regard it as erotic, so regard it as porn (there is such a thing as porn photography). Usually the body is complemented with some props which may tell a picture story or trying to show or depict some form of image to the viewer.

    Fetish shots: usually in the realm of porn photography. Depending on the type, there can be many variations.

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    Thank you everyone for your replies and opinions!

    Hmm, one other question, can anyone update me on what is the current market rate for relatively newbie models for the various types of shoots now? How much do you folks pay/receive for each shoot (on a per hr basis)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessicax View Post
    Thank you everyone for your replies and opinions!

    Hmm, one other question, can anyone update me on what is the current market rate for relatively newbie models for the various types of shoots now? How much do you folks pay/receive for each shoot (on a per hr basis)?
    This is highly subjectable...

    This price or market rate will depend on the experience the model has, genre of the photoshoot as well as duration of the shoot.

    I believe this would range from figures like $30 (for simple shoots for models with lil or no experience) to say $200 or more for nude modelling, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessicax View Post
    Thank you everyone for your replies and opinions!

    Hmm, one other question, can anyone update me on what is the current market rate for relatively newbie models for the various types of shoots now? How much do you folks pay/receive for each shoot (on a per hr basis)?
    Doing research for an article, huh?
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    haha, I wish...but no, my writing and grades are not good enough to enable me to make a living sitting comfortably at a desk writing all the time!

    i'm thinking of starting as a model, so would like to know some of these answers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessicax View Post
    haha, I wish...but no, my writing and grades are not good enough to enable me to make a living sitting comfortably at a desk writing all the time!

    i'm thinking of starting as a model, so would like to know some of these answers...
    As Zac said, rates are subjective as it depends on the factors involved. Most models if they go under an organiser as you will see in the photoshoot section, the price range can vary. Specifically, $30-$50 for new models will be the norm. More experienced model can command a higher premium. If you take a look at Modelinn, the price per pax is about $88 to $128 depending on the type of shoot and where the model is from. Usally his models have got experience in modelling either CFs or CMs, so for that alone the premium is there, but it is well worth the money spent, IMO. For models under agents, that is a different asset as these models are quite different due to the fact they are under agency, so things tend to get a little sticky in terms of agreements.

    For private shoot engagements, that is subjected to negotiations between the model and photographer on the rates. Type of shoot, time, location and factors like these will need tobe considered. Hope that helps in a way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessicax View Post
    1. For paid shoots, does the model have any control over where the photos go? ie. can the models request that the photographers use them as personal practise, and not post it up online anywhere for viewing for others? Esp. in the case of lingerie and nude shoots, some local girls might be personally ok with having such photos taken, but I think what a lot of them are afraid of is having the photos leaked out and seen by friends/family/SOs in real life and causing them problems in their personal life. Are photographers willing to accept such requests?
    Not sure if this is going to be OT but many of the paid shoot here did not state the above conditions, so is it right for the model/org to infrom/request the above at the day of the shoot?
    I get paid more shooting part time ...... damn, I should find more time to shoot part time

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    Well, that's why we have good organisers and screwed up organisers

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    1. By default, copyright goes to the photographer. In the case of nude or lingerie shoots, you can enter into an agreement with the photographer not to post it up online. This is a perfectly acceptable request which most bona fide photographers will accept and honour.
    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    Not sure if this is going to be OT but many of the paid shoot here did not state the above conditions, so is it right for the model/org to infrom/request the above at the day of the shoot?
    What vince123123 had mention is perfectly fine and if both models and photographers are agreeable to the terms of the contract there should not be any problesm.

    But for yqt ... if the organiser spring this on me on the day of the shoot, then I think it is a little unfair. It should be stated as part of the clause prior to the shoot and if the photographer is agreeable, then he should go for the shoot. Otherwise he/she should not sign up for the shoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessicax View Post
    For paid shoots, does the model have any control over where the photos go? ie. can the models request that the photographers use them as personal practise, and not post it up online anywhere for viewing for others? ... Are photographers willing to accept such requests?
    Nude and Lingerie photoshoot aside first ...

    A lot of organisers do depend on the fellow shooters to post their photos to entice other photographers to join their next shoot .... This posting of photos not only serves for critique and learning, it also serves as a form of free marketing for the shoot organisers.

    If nobody post any photos from a shoot ... the other peope who did not go will not know how well or how bad the photoshoot turned out ... So organisers in a way would like the photographers to post their photos online to show the other photographer "what they have missed at their shoot"

    Apart from that ... there is also a lot of ego boosting and back patting between photographers who went for the shoot ... hence if you take a look at the PnP section, you will see a lot of "one liners" .... and smilies .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Thai Bean View Post
    What vince123123 had mention is perfectly fine and if both models and photographers are agreeable to the terms of the contract there should not be any problesm.

    But for yqt ... if the organiser spring this on me on the day of the shoot, then I think it is a little unfair. It should be stated as part of the clause prior to the shoot and if the photographer is agreeable, then he should go for the shoot. Otherwise he/she should not sign up for the shoot.
    I've not been to a paid shoot but from what one CSer have told me, he paid and went for the shoot and on the day of the shoot the org.er said that the model don't want to have her images posted for fear of leaching. The CSer voice that this is unfair, but all the other photographer said things like "respect the model's wishes", "it's like that one", "this is normal", " don't upset the model", etc . When he wanted to back out due to this last min. info, the org.er said no refund and he must agreed to the model's request.

    Moral of the above, Communicate. State upfront what you expect and what you can provide.
    I get paid more shooting part time ...... damn, I should find more time to shoot part time

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Well, that's why we have good organisers and screwed up organisers
    Good thing is that most of the time, sooner or later, screw up org.er will end up being screwed.
    I get paid more shooting part time ...... damn, I should find more time to shoot part time

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