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    Quote Originally Posted by melvin View Post
    Yeah come sat we will be the leader!

    Heard from the news Rooney might be out for 3 weeks! So Tevez might get his deal afterall
    Damn it! Rooney is in devastating form right now.

    But it's also a good chance for Tevez to show his hunger for first team football.
    Go Tevez Go!

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    Damn it! Rooney is in devastating form right now.

    But it's also a good chance for Tevez to show his hunger for first team football.
    Go Tevez Go!
    Ya...SAF should tell him ur contract will depend on ur performance during Rooney's absent!

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    Carlos Tevez is damn talented.
    He became only the second player in history to win the South American Footballer of the Year award three years running (twice with Boca Juniors and once with Corinthians).

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    Injury sours Wigan win

    Space may soon be at a premium in the United treatment room.

    Wayne Rooney is the latest casualty after limping out of the Reds’ 1-0 victory against Wigan on Wednesday night with a hamstring injury.

    Sir Alex revealed it’s likely to be “a three-week job”, which could rule Wazza out of crucial matches against Bolton Wanderers, Derby County, Tottenham Hotspur, West Bromwich Albion and Everton.

    But while Rooney joins Rio Ferdinand (back), Patrice Evra (ankle), Wes Brown (ankle) and Owen Hargreaves (knee) on the sidelines, the boss is still confident of travelling to the Reebok Stadium with a fresh squad.

    “It’s a big game and Bolton are a very strong team,” he told MUTV. “We’ll have Darren Fletcher, Anderson and Ji-sung Park fresh for Bolton – I tried to freshen things up as best I could against Wigan.”

    Rooney – Wednesday's match-winner – was the only United player to limp off against the Latics, but the boss revealed Jonny Evans, Carlos Tevez, Paul Scholes and Cristiano Ronaldo also picked up minor knocks.

    “We’ll assess them now and do our best [to have them fit for the weekend]. We’ll just have to wait and see.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Hack View Post
    Carlos Tevez is damn talented.
    He became only the second player in history to win the South American Footballer of the Year award three years running (twice with Boca Juniors and once with Corinthians).
    Normally South American players will find it hard to adapt to EPL thats why they tend to struggle but so far ours are still ok!

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    Seba Verón: King of the Americas



    Footballers produced by South America come in all shapes and sizes, but too often they're viewed in one way: as up-and-coming stars of the future. So it's nice that from time to time the continent recognises a player at the other end of his career.

    The final results of the 2008 South American Footballer of the Year award (or 'King of The Americas', to literally translate its Spanish name) gave a hearty slap on the back to one of the elder statesmen of the game. In second - despite what was by his own high standards a rather ordinary twelve months - was Juan Román Riquelme of newly-crowned Argentine champions Boca Juniors. Edging him out by only three votes for first place, though, was a fellow Argentine who didn't win a single team trophy during 2008: 33-year-old Juan Sebastián Verón.

    Verón joins quite a pantheon. Former winners of the journalists' vote organised by Uruguayan newspaper El País include Carlos Valderrama, Enzo Francescoli, Cafu and Riquelme himself. Between 1971 and 1985, when Venezuelan paper El Mundo organised the award, it was won by the likes of Teófilo Cubillas, Pelé, and of course a countryman of Verón; Diego Maradona. Earlier this century, Carlos Tevez became only the second player to win it three years running (twice with Boca Juniors and once with Corinthians).

    Now, I can guess what British readers will be thinking at this point. So I'll clarify: yes, I am speaking of the same Seba Verón who played (for want of a better word) for Manchester United and Chelsea for three injury-disrupted seasons between 2001 and 2004. Those who paid attention to Verón's time in Italy, and who've watched him since returning to Estudiantes in 2006, will be less shocked.

    Although 2008 was the year Nicolas Anelka overtook Verón's previous world record for a cumulative transfer fee, 'La Brujita' ('The Little Witch') as he's known in Argentina (dad Juan Ramón Verón, also an Estudiantes midfielder, was named 'The Witch'), was a central figure as Estudiantes challenged for the Clausura in the domestic league during the first half of the year, finishing joint second just four points behind River Plate. He was also key in their run to the final of the Copa Sudamericana in the second half of the year. That run included a 30 yard piledriver against Botafogo in the quarter-finals, which came just a few days after he'd belted one in off the crossbar against Gimnasia de Jujuy in the league.

    The fact that Verón claimed the award for a year in which his team failed to win a trophy only reinforces the quality of his individual performances. Form aside, he's been captain and the focal point of a team who began the year trying to acclimatise to the loss of popular manager Diego Simeone. Twelve months before leaving for River Plate, Simeone had won his first title as manager with Estudiantes - the club's fourth professional Argentine title.

    His departure for River in December 2007 upset the players, and his replacement Roberto Sensini, whilst warmly welcomed, was returning from several years in Italy just one year into a managerial career which had only previously involved Udinese, whom he briefly managed after ending his playing career there in 2006. Verón was key to this inexperienced manager mounting an instant title challenge.

    It wasn't all plain sailing though. After a slow start in the Apertura, Sensini quit in September and Verón was criticised by some in both the press and the stands for helping to force the boss out. He told journalists: ''I came back to Estudiantes because I wanted to come, not because I wanted a complicated life - I don't want to carry on elsewhere. Perhaps when my contract finishes [in June 2009], I'll leave football altogether.''

    Of course, it looks rosier now. Having attracted reported interest from one or two of his former Italian employers, and picked up an award which he told El País, ''comes at a very special time in my life, '' he may just decide to stay with Estudiantes beyond the current season.

    The club don't quite play the most attractive football in Argentina - that distinction should go to Lanús at present, for my money - but they do have a tidy style and one of the best balances between defence and attack. The switch between those two is dictated, in no small part, by Verón. He plays further back than a traditional playmaker, but one facet of his game that was never questioned - even in England - was his passing.

    Even at 33 (he's the oldest recipient of this award since Romario won it in 2000) his distribution remains razor sharp, and his form led to call-ups to the Argentina squad for World Cup qualifiers under former national boss Alfio Basile. Diego Maradona is a known admirer, so if Verón does play on for much longer, that part of the renaissance may not be over.

    It's also a story made all the sweeter by the fact that Verón has done a lot for his club, even during his successful years abroad. Throughout his career he's sent significant chunks of money back to La Plata to help upgrade club facilities, and when he re-joined them in 2006 (initially on loan from Chelsea, who still owned his registration having loaned him to Internazionale previously) he took a huge pay cut and turned down more lucrative offers from both Boca Juniors and River Plate.

    It's hard to escape the suspicion that, in a different economic era, Verón would have been a one-club man. Youngsters coming through the ranks make no secret of their admiration and may even get the chance to see their idol at the 2010 World Cup. Watch this space.

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    One of my favourite players, Veron.
    He's damn good when he was at Lazio.
    But a pity he can't make a name at Man Utd.
    I still bought a jersey with his name on it when he first arrived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Hack View Post
    One of my favourite players, Veron.
    He's damn good when he was at Lazio.
    But a pity he can't make a name at Man Utd.
    I still bought a jersey with his name on it when he first arrived.
    He is good!

    But when they come to EPL its a different story.....

    Actually now i still waiting for Manucho to start his debut our first African!

    Wanna see him torment the defence esp the pools!

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvin View Post
    He is good!

    But when they come to EPL its a different story.....

    Actually now i still waiting for Manucho to start his debut our first African!

    Wanna see him torment the defence esp the pools!
    He did play this season right?
    Dunno is it FA cup or Carling cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Hack View Post
    He did play this season right?
    Dunno is it FA cup or Carling cup.
    Yeah he did in the Carling? I mean still waiting for him to play in the EPL!

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    You are right bout South Americans having a hard time adapting to English football.
    Making them performing not up to their standards.

    For e.g.,
    Veron - Man Utd, Chelsea
    Kleberson - Man Utd
    Crespo - Chelsea

    But there are some who performs too.
    Brazilians Anderson, Rafael, Robinho are doing well for their clubs.
    Ecuadorian Valencia, had a great first season at Wigan.
    Current Argentina players, Tevez and Macherano also doing well.
    And who can forget the cult hero of Newcastle, Colombian Faustino Asprilla.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .Hack View Post
    You are right bout South Americans having a hard time adapting to English football.
    Making them performing not up to their standards.

    For e.g.,
    Veron - Man Utd, Chelsea
    Kleberson - Man Utd
    Crespo - Chelsea

    But there are some who performs too.
    Brazilians Anderson, Rafael, Robinho are doing well for their clubs.
    Ecuadorian Valencia, had a great first season at Wigan.
    Current Argentina players, Tevez and Macherano also doing well.
    And who can forget the cult hero of Newcastle, Colombian Faustino Asprilla.

    Some make it some break it just like Jo!

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    Looks like South American performs better in the Italian League.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Hack View Post
    Looks like South American performs better in the Italian League.
    But their playing style is different!

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    Talking bout playing styles, read an interesting article few years back.
    Will post it up shortly. It's regarding 3 talented players.

    Italian - Paolo Di Canio should be born in Brazil
    Brazilian - Carlos Dunga should be born in England
    Englishman - Glenn Hoddle should be born in Italy

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    There are plenty of talented players who have had the misfortune of being born in the wrong place, a country where their skills were not fully appreciated. The players in topic, Carlos Dunga, Glenn Hoddle and Paolo Di Canio. They achieved a lot, but they might have achieved more if they had only been born as Dunga the Englishman, Hoddle the Italian, and Di Canio the Brazilian.

    Brazilian midfielder Dunga.
    He has archieved alot. Playing for top European sides, as well as leading brazil to World Cup finals. But back home in Brazil, Dunga was regularly criticized. He was seen by his critics as a hacker, a guy whose entire game revolved around running his heart out and tackling opponents. Dunga's detractors said he was "too European", by which they meant he was more interested in the final score than in playing the "beautiful game". They said a guy like him would never have played in the great Brazil teams of old. Had Dunga been born in, say, England, where hard-tackling, busy midfielders are idolized, he would have been bigger than Bryan Robson.

    England had its own unappreciated genius: Glenn Hoddle.
    Hoddle's crime was that he liked to pass the ball along the ground rather than hoofing it up in the air and occasionally preferred to look up before passing. All this was anathema to some of the Neanderthal English critics of the time. They called him lazy, because he did not run mindlessly. They said he was a wimp, because he did not tackle furiously. And they dubbed him Glenda, because, by their standards, he played like a girl. England always seemed to prefer blood-and-guts midfielders like Graham Rix or Bryan Robson to the elegant Hoddle. If Hoddle had been born in Italy, his tactical discipline, vision and accurate, linear passing would have been an Italian manager's wet dream. His close control in tight spaces and ability to pick out teammates would have made him invaluable in Italy's counterattacking systems of the 1980s.

    Italy's own misunderstood star is Paolo Di Canio.
    As an 18-year-old he was hailed as a future phenom. He was creative, unpredictable and blessed with otherworldly skills. While Di Canio bounced around Italy's top clubs -- Lazio, Juventus, Milan and Napoli -- he failed to fulfill his immense potential. Why? Because he was seen as undisciplined on the pitch. His managers saw him as a right-sided midfielder. Whenever he would stray from his post, he would get criticized. Whenever he dribbled an opponent, rather than laying it off safely, he would get hammered. In Serie A, tactical discipline is dogma. Di Canio's talent simply didn't fit. Italians are convinced that you can get away with one (and only one) creative offensive midfielder/striker. And Di Canio had the misfortune of competing with the likes of Roberto Baggio at Juventus. It was even worse at Milan, where he was up against Baggio (again), Dejan Savicevic, Ruud Gullit and Roberto Donadoni. So he was off-loaded to Britain, where he played for Celtic, Sheffield Wednesday and West Ham. Along the way, he turned into a forward and was given a free role. The results have been spectacular and he has finally tapped his huge talent. He is now free to follow his instincts on the pitch and he has responded by playing some of the best soccer of his career. Imagine if, instead of being born into the shackles of rigid Italian tactics, he had been raised in Brazil, where talent and flair is appreciated and encouraged. Di Canio's rare combination of workrate and skill would have made him a star. Brazilians understand that to produce something beautiful, whether a dribble, or a pass, or a trap, you need to attempt to something difficult. And when you attempt something difficult, inevitably, you might make a mistake. The difference is that, unlike Italy, Brazilian managers rarely substitute players after their first mistake. There is a greater tolerance for flair and genius in South America and in Brazil in particular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .Hack View Post
    Talking bout playing styles, read an interesting article few years back.
    Will post it up shortly. It's regarding 3 talented players.

    Italian - Paolo Di Canio should be born in Brazil
    Brazilian - Carlos Dunga should be born in England
    Englishman - Glenn Hoddle should be born in Italy
    If this 3 were really to switch history will be re-written!

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvin View Post
    If this 3 were really to switch history will be re-written!
    Yeah man.
    Imagine Di Canio wearing the Brazil jersey and playing samba style football.
    He can be their number "10" anytime.

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    Yes! We're now 2nd! This sat is against Bolton away and its gonna be a tough game, esp Man Utd now got a injury crisis. Evra and Rio injured and now Rooney is out for at least 3 weeks. There are reports that Tevez and Evens received knocks in yesterday's game as well.

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