Suggesting age limit for models

[redstone]

With regards to the latest issue of "underaged" models, may I make the suggestion of imposing an age limit on models posting in the Services section?

Whether they tell the truth is another issue liao.

[vince123123]

Legally speaking, there is no "underaged"; hence there may not be such a need to impose an artificial age limit. Clubsnap is not playing big brother to supervise everyone and everything.

[redstone]

Originally Posted by vince123123 Legally speaking, there is no "underaged"; hence there may not be such a need to impose an artificial age limit. Clubsnap is not playing big brother to supervise everyone and everything.

Legal age of consent? 16. IMO it's still too young.

Army age (for guys), ability to watch more matured movies? Minimum age for death sentence (means minimum age the person is expected to have a sound mind and maturity)... 18? More like it?

[vince123123]

Consent to do what? You do not need any legal consent to shoot a model.

Originally Posted by redstone Legal age of consent? 16. IMO it's still too young. Army age (for guys), ability to watch more matured movies? Minimum age for death sentence (means minimum age the person is expected to have a sound mind and maturity)... 18? More like it?

[redstone]

Originally Posted by vince123123 Consent to do what? You do not need any legal consent to shoot a model.

Legal age of consent to sexual intercourse is 16...

[Optodexine]

Very grey hard to regulate la. If you say that under 16 must regulate then what if I shoot babies or kids? Must apply for license? If you say only sexy shoot must regulate then what is the definition of sexy?

I think all we need is more awareness and also to perhaps not support so much lingerie and swimsuit shoots on clubsnap.

[redstone]

Originally Posted by Optodexine Very grey hard to regulate la. If you say that under 16 must regulate then what if I shoot babies or kids? Must apply for license? If you say only sexy shoot must regulate then what is the definition of sexy? I think all we need is more awareness and also to perhaps not support so much lingerie and swimsuit shoots on clubsnap.

I mean.... age limit for those posting up their modeling services in the Services section. Don't tell me babies can use comp to post a thread.

[Long Thai Bean]

Originally Posted by redstone Whether they tell the truth is another issue liao.

It is no use to try to set a regulation when you have no means to enforce it ...

So CS mods change it in the Services Offered guidelines ... but where is the check and what is the check ...

If there is none, then what is the use of putting in these empty "threats" ....

[redstone]

Originally Posted by Long Thai Bean It is no use to try to set a regulation when you have no means to enforce it ... So CS mods change it in the Services Offered guidelines ... but where is the check and what is the check ... If there is none, then what is the use of putting in these empty "threats" ....

True... there's no 101% sure way of doing so... sure there would be tikopeks, liars, etc.. we're not in utopia. Oh well...

[vince123123]

That's for sexual intercouse - are we talking about sexual intercourse here?

Originally Posted by redstone Legal age of consent to sexual intercourse is 16...

[nightwolf75]

Originally Posted by redstone With regards to the latest issue of "underaged" models, may I make the suggestion of imposing an age limit on models posting in the Services section? Whether they tell the truth is another issue liao.

interesting idea. any viable suggestion (bearing in mind the resource limitations CS face) to verify if we are to implement an age limit? no point the mod team impose, and have people lying thru their teeth... and then complain to the local tabloids of people touching them?

any reasonable idea is welcomed.

[catchlights]

Originally Posted by redstone Legal age of consent to sexual intercourse is 16...

wah lao, what are you talking about here?? is that part of the photo shoot??

come on, show some respect to the models and the photographers, may have some black sheep amount here, but all people are like that.

[Astin]

Originally Posted by nightwolf75 interesting idea. any viable suggestion (bearing in mind the resource limitations CS face) to verify if we are to implement an age limit? no point the mod team impose, and have people lying thru their teeth... and then complain to the local tabloids of people touching them? any reasonable idea is welcomed.

Ask the freelance models to submit a scan copy of IC and keep it confidential within CS Admin. (likewise, we also scan our passport when sending photos to microstock sites for any potential legal matters)

[catchlights]

Originally Posted by Astin Ask the freelance models to submit a scan copy of IC and keep it confidential within CS Admin. (likewise, we also scan our passport when sending photos to microstock sites for any potential legal matters)

like that the admin and mod will be very bo eng, soon or later, either models want to list themself here or photographers want to hire models thru here will need to pay for that liao, is this what we want to see here?

[obfuscate]

Originally Posted by Astin Ask the freelance models to submit a scan copy of IC and keep it confidential within CS Admin. (likewise, we also scan our passport when sending photos to microstock sites for any potential legal matters)

Nobody will want their ICs distributed in one way or another.

[obfuscate]

I tend to think that the administrators of the website is only able to control what gets posted, in other words, they can control who puts up the posts. If there is any way to ensure that only people who know what they are getting themselves into participate in such shoots, it is either to limit the number of such shoots posted or limit them only to reliable organisers to put up invitations. It may not "solve" the current problems, but I think it's a start.

[Darren]

Originally Posted by catchlights like that the admin and mod will be very bo eng, soon or later, either models want to list themself here or photographers want to hire models thru here will need to pay for that liao, is this what we want to see here?

Originally Posted by obfuscate Nobody will want their ICs distributed in one way or another.

Please bear in mind that there are legal implications when receiving and storing such personal information and we could end up in a worse situation.

[lightbrush]

Originally Posted by Darren' Please bear in mind that there are legal implications when receiving and storing such personal information and we could end up in a worse situation.

So long as you do not distribute the personal information and can demonstrate that you have done due diligence to ensure that such information is not distributed, you are quite safe. I don't think that is really an issue.

The consequences of being implicated when a young model gets into trouble by virtue of the fact that she advertises thru' clubsnap are worse. It goes beyond legal issues as the public will expect clubsnap to minimally have processes in place to ensure that young girls are protected from "lechers" using photography as front to carry out their agenda.

Guidelines must be put in place to protect vulnerable young girls who are ignorant of the consequences of their action. Clubsnap may not be legally bound to do so but society expects Clubsnap to have such a moral obligation.

Look at the personal services section and you will see what I mean. Young girls who call themselves models are publishing their vital statistics online. What relevance is the information to photographs of artistic merit? Let's call a spade a spade. The adverts cater mostly to people with the agenda of sexually exploiting these young girls thru' the pretence of photography. A lecher with a camera is still a lecher, and maybe worse. Have you also noticed that most forumners who signed up for such sessions keep their nicks anonymous? Why such secrecy if there is no ulterior motive and the session is to fulfil an artistic desire?

[vince123123]

If so, sites like Facebook or Friendster or any site for that matter, also need to watch themselves already, which we know they don't.

It is up to the individuals themselves to know what they are posting about, and for their parents to educate them. Not for corporations or entities to police them. So many people trawl friendster or facebook looking for targets - does it mean that if friednster or facebook dont impose age limits, they will be censured? In the same vein, I doubt CS will be as "implicated" as you seem. TNP just blows up things to sell newspapers. If the next article talks about "Wolves go to Friendster to find young girls for sex" - do you think Friendster will bother imposing limitations?

As for statistics - a basic requirement in modelling is to have statistics published. Go to any reputable modelling website and you see that all the time. I'm not sure what you are trying to drive at, but would you say, buy a PC where you don't know what parts it comprises of? It doesn't help to play on emotive reactions. When hiring a model, agencies/directors/photographers all look at statistics before even calling for a casting session - sorry to say that perhaps you haven't been exposed to the real life sitautions on how models are selected.

You say that CS can hold personal information and show due dilligence - imagine the next TNP fallout - "Hacker hacks into CLubsnap and makes away with personal data of young females and stalkers abound!". Its the same thing here.

Originally Posted by lightbrush The consequences of being implicated when a young model gets into trouble by virtue of the fact that she advertises thru' clubsnap are worse. It goes beyond legal issues as the public will expect clubsnap to minimally have processes in place to ensure that young girls are protected from "lechers" using photography as front to carry out their agenda. Guidelines must be put in place to protect vulnerable young girls who are ignorant of the consequences of their action. Clubsnap may not be legally bound to do so but society expects Clubsnap to have such a moral obligation. Look at the personal services section and you will see what I mean. Young girls who call themselves models are publishing their vital statistics online. What relevance is the information to photographs of artistic merit? Let's call a spade a spade. The adverts cater mostly to people with the agenda of sexually exploiting these young girls thru' the pretence of photography. A lecher with a camera is still a lecher, and maybe worse. Have you also noticed that most forumners who signed up for such sessions keep their nicks anonymous? Why such secrecy if there is no ulterior motive and the session is to fulfil an artistic desire?

[eosandy]

How do Event Organisers cover this situation?