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    Default TNP : Exposed - Is this art?

    The New Paper will be featuring an article on Sunday.

    Great Read

    EXPOSED


    S'pore group hires 'adult movie' actors
    for private
    photography sessions

    Is this Art

    I wonder what will be exposed.....
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    Post link when it cums out lah.

    Knowing NP style, it would just be sensationalism to increase sales.

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    Funny some reporters get their feeds from forums and do a writeup like it's some sensation. Exposed? *rolls eyes* Nothing secretive to start with. GET SOME ORIGINALITY! I'm sure one or two of them are reading now.

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    well. i think its true that Clubsnap is becoming a breeding ground for increasing tasteless (to say the least) photography sessions disguised as model shoots.

    disappointing. if u ask me. since the earlier days.

    i am sure e founders of Clubsnap never intended for the site to be used as a platform for such shoots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dennisc View Post
    Funny some reporters get their feeds from forums and do a writeup like it's some sensation. Exposed? *rolls eyes* Nothing secretive to start with. GET SOME ORIGINALITY! I'm sure one or two of them are reading now.
    Yeah, they probably got the headline idea from one of the thread titles
    here also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlchong View Post
    well. i think its true that Clubsnap is becoming a breeding ground for increasing tasteless (to say the least) photography sessions disguised as model shoots.

    disappointing. if u ask me. since the earlier days.

    i am sure e founders of Clubsnap never intended for the site to be used as a platform for such shoots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by razor View Post
    The New Paper will be featuring an article on Sunday.

    Great Read

    EXPOSED


    S'pore group hires 'adult movie' actors
    for private
    photography sessions

    Is is Art

    I wonder what will be exposed.....
    Soon everyone will get to read the article.

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    In history, some great artists hire prostitutes as their models. In Singapore where nude models are rare, why people do that is quite obvious. Do we want to practise the art? If yes, we must hire from abroad. Otherwise, fall behind people lor. People shoot nudes - they complain; people post nudes - they complain; people organize nude shoots - they complain; people hire "B" models because they are cheaper - they complain; people hire "A" models but they cannot afford - they complain; people shoot XMM - they complain; people try out pornography style shooting - they complain. So how? In the end no need to practise the art liao lor. Do you stop eating fish after you have been choke by a bone? Singaporeans don't seem to grow up, so it cannot achieve any big break in arts.

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    some pornographic sites have really good photos of their models. i'm not talking about hardcore XXX. but rather, subtle innuendoes.

    there lies a very fine and blurred line between art and porn (however cliche this is).

    we here should be open and accept even though we live in a society of prudes.

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    please post up article

    i wans to see

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    Hope tml CS server wun hang!

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    wah so 'early' discuss this kinda things...

    anyway, sad to say, it started when there is a group of wannabes start to post things like nosebleed, good pic, for every picture which have a pretty model and contribute to nothing in the image... esp even if the image is OOF, bad lighting, or just simply bad... to them, the pictures of cleavages is more important than the technical aspect of the picture...

    like the previous thread razor created... nothing will change unless you guys do what you think is right... of course, now there is more people who think its 'right' that their 'art' is ART...
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    Just done some interesting reading on the articles. Some Ususal suspects.
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    what?

    art??

    suspects???

    bring them to court? for trying to create art? or faking art?
    Eat breath LIVERPOOL!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoakm View Post
    Just done some interesting reading on the articles. Some Ususal suspects.
    show!

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    show!
    Why so excited? Go buy yourself!
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    Quote Originally Posted by phoakm View Post
    Why so excited? Go buy yourself!
    ...you know where to buy tnp in london? at 1 am?

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    ...you know where to buy tnp in london? at 1 am?
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    Read the article. Only have one word to say: SENSATIONAL!

    How do they ever come up with such editorials is a wonder. Headline news: Girls expose themselves to risk for easy cash. Right. So as photographers we are not at risk from the girls in case they say something else. After all, here in SG, 95% of the time it is their word against ours. I am at risk of getting flamed here, but go ahead. I don't care.

    I will not go into the argument of what is porn of nude photography here, as it will open up a whole can of worms. But rather, I think at this point, I think the question that as photogs we should be asking ourselves, what is it that we want out of shoots organised. We have been seeing arguments of composition, lighting, angles poses, but while all these are aspects that should be taken into account, to echo what DP has stated, styling is important. Not only of the model, but from the shooter as well.

    One line that caught my attention in the article was "most of the photographers seemed to be taking tasteful pictures, though one of them was jostling for shots that seemed to be sexually angled". This is a sensational statement. So it means that just because the shot is perceived to be sexually angled, it goes into lewd.

    So far, the posts that have been coming up on portraits and poses, we have been seeing the same models left, right and center. Theme wise they are the same. Swimsuit, Cosplay, Clubbing, Fashion etc. At the same time, 85% of the poses look exactly the same. While nothing wrong with that, there can be some variations. As shooters, half the time, it is up to us to direct the model on how to pose if we intend to capture a certain angle or feel. So the question here is as shooters, what do we want to see out of the shoot? Of all the pictures so far I have seen on CS, the series as posted by Kongo on Lynnie was by far one of the best. It brought out in my opinion what he wanted to achieve.

    Model wise, with the same batch of models recycled to death in the postings, seems like I am watching Channel 5 with all the same models reruns (bait 2, but go ahead and flame me if you must). In this case, I have to give kudos to Ivan S for bringing in models of a different calibre than what we are seeing on CS. To the local models, no offense. While I believe that the photographer has a part to play in the theme and direction of the shoot, the model also needs to provide the input as well, rather than stand there and pose. (bait 3, but go ahead your call)

    Legally speaking, these shoots are treading on a grey area of the law. So should anyone be posting any pics of these forms, discretion is in order. PS should have a mosiac layer or function. Let us use that. As far as the pictures on your computer go, DO NOT SEND YOUR COMPUTER FOR REPAIRS. Unless you wanna be Edison Chen Singapore Style. For the shoot itself, let us make sure that the windows are blocked by curtains, or planks if it is in a hotel room. That way no one can and will say otherwise. Oh yeah...one other point to note. For these shoots, seems to me that to classify as art, we cannot use mid range SLRs. We need pro equipment. So in the future, to all Canon, Nikon or whatever camera you use, make sure it is 'professional'. That is to say, for Canon: 5D or if you can get your hands on the Mark II, better still. Else use the 1DS Mark2 or 3. For Nikon users, make sure you use D3 or D700 for professionalism. Hell...to be more pro, use a Mamiya ZD or Leaf Aptus if you must, otherwise Hasselblad is in order.

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    Default Clubsnap in the news! On newpaper! Sleeze...

    On headlines somemore leh. Omg.

    I really didnt know there where binkini shoots ended up as a nude shoot on the egging on the photographer. That's so so so unprofessional!

    hmmm. Ex porn actress doing nudes with a bunch of photographers in a hotel sounds EXACTLY like a setting for porn itself...

    personally, a little disgusting leh. I sense a backlash on real portrait photogs soooonnnn......

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/stratix/tnp.jpg

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/stratix/tnp2.jpg

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/stratix/tnp3.jpg

    pics of the report here.

    dont want to hotlink cos it's quite huge.
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