Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 24

Thread: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

  1. #1
    Senior Member Pablo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Blue/Green Planet
    Posts
    1,854

    Default C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    Hello each,

    Over much time I have seen and read many good writings and many flames on the subject.

    I am not swayed one way or the other myself (I own both brands..along with others).....
    .
    There is one point though that does bother me (as a sales person of DSLR's).
    .
    That point is that "C" cripple their entry level camera to get "C" buyers to buy the next model up.

    What am I talking about you say ?

    300D, 350D, 400D and 1000D do not have spot metering.

    No other camera company play's this trick.

    I have been told by a "C" rep that the idea is to intice customers that want that feature to buy a higher model.

    It does not come down to price (here "O" twin lens is cheaper ... and has spot metering).
    .
    As I mentioned, I do not follow the (if have "N" then "C" is not as good, or visa versa)
    I own "C" "N" "O" DSLR's and love them/use them all.
    .
    I simply think that "C",s marketing tactics for the first time DSLR owners SUCK.

    Any feedback from you ? ....do you think I have it wrong (I will stand corrected).

    Cheers
    Time, is an effortless construction :)

  2. #2
    Member TheQuestion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    PenguinVille.
    Posts
    1,089

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    most of the entry lvl users dun even know what the different metering modes are for...so your point being?
    Opinions are like A-holes. Everyone's got one.

  3. #3
    Senior Member Pablo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Blue/Green Planet
    Posts
    1,854

    Thumbs down Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    My point is as stated...

    They are being ripped off

    IF THEY KNOW enough (they have read about how DSLR's can do what they do) or they want a budget DSLR.

    Or they are interested in going to a photography class to learn about photography.

    Many reasons....

    That is a few of my points.

    I own a 20D and 40D and love them both (I am questioning why "C" cripple an entry level when no one else does).

    Cheers
    Time, is an effortless construction :)

  4. #4
    Member TheQuestion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    PenguinVille.
    Posts
    1,089

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
    My point is as stated...

    They are being ripped off

    IF THEY KNOW enough (they have read about how DSLR's can do what they do) or they want a budget DSLR.

    Or they are interested in going to a photography class to learn about photography.

    Many reasons....

    That is a few of my points.

    I own a 20D and 40D and love them both (I am questioning why "C" cripple an entry level when no one else does).

    Cheers
    you forget that most of the entry lvl consumers dunnoe nuts about metering. You know better, so big whoop for you. but can u honestly say that 95% of the amateurs even know what does metering do? got a problem with their corporate decisions take it up with them. they haven't done anything wrong.
    Opinions are like A-holes. Everyone's got one.

  5. #5

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    Agree with the meaning behind the replies, though not the manner in which the reply was phrased.
    Disclaimer, I own neither brands nor am I in the market for either.
    But, it is common for brands to provide less features for their entry models, either to keep price points low, or to, as you've stated, entice or force users to trade up to a higher specc'ed model.
    It seems to have worked right? Look at the number of folks running around with higher end cameras when they've got no idea how to work them. Nor do a fair number of them seem to want to find out, aside from asking for 'quick tips'. Right dude, stick it in Auto..
    Honestly, they are better off with entry level cameras lah.

  6. #6
    Senior Member Pablo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Blue/Green Planet
    Posts
    1,854

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    Hello TheQuestion,

    Sorry if I don't answer your reply as you might wish.

    I will answer it this way....

    I sell less of the "C" entry level DSLR's than any brand after pointing out that they are crippled.

    I am a "camera" sales person ... not a salesperson that thinks profit profit profit.

    Good for me you might say.

    Well I care about what I sell to someone...

    They may not know about metering right now and may never know, but if the person has a limited budget (a student for example)..

    And they want to learn photography (or even a mum or dad) then the entry level "C" will hinder their experience.

    My point basically comes down to this.... why do they "C" do it when no one else does

    Thanks for your feedback "TheQuestion"
    Time, is an effortless construction :)

  7. #7
    Member TheQuestion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    PenguinVille.
    Posts
    1,089

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
    Hello TheQuestion,

    Sorry if I don't answer your reply as you might wish.

    I will answer it this way....

    I sell less of the "C" entry level DSLR's than any brand after pointing out that they are crippled.

    I am a "camera" sales person ... not a salesperson that thinks profit profit profit.

    Good for me you might say.

    Well I care about what I sell to someone...

    They may not know about metering right now and may never know, but if the person has a limited budget (a student for example)..

    And they want to learn photography (or even a mum or dad) then the entry level "C" will hinder their experience.

    My point basically comes down to this.... why do they "C" do it when no one else does

    Thanks for your feedback "TheQuestion"
    then they dun have to BUY the entry level CANON they always have the option of buying NIKON off the bat no one is forcing them. Free market free choice. Not like Canon is forcing them to buy something they might feel is crippling them. as i said b4 their marketing strategy is something they decide so if you have a problem with it feed it back to Canon. What's the point of speculating here if no one from Canon is gonna see your feedback?
    Opinions are like A-holes. Everyone's got one.

  8. #8

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    then they dun have to BUY the entry level CANON they always have the option of buying NIKON off the bat no one is forcing them. Free market free choice. Not like Canon is forcing them to buy something they might feel is crippling them. as i said b4 their marketing strategy is something they decide so if you have a problem with it feed it back to Canon. What's the point of speculating here if no one from Canon is gonna see your feedback?
    Canon might not see the feedback, but if I were a new buyer, I would take it in consideration. So this thread is not as redundant as you made it out to be.

  9. #9
    Senior Member Pablo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Blue/Green Planet
    Posts
    1,854

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    Hi TheQuestion,

    Your replies do have me thinking and also in ways have some form of credit.

    But, I look at this way (to use a different example of marketing).

    Let's say you are out to buy a small econimical car...

    Car "A" is a 4 cylinder at $10,000 and it has plastic seats and does 100klm to the 10ltr

    But car "B" that also has the same motor and leather seats and sells for $15,000 does 180 lkm to the 10ltr.

    Is that fair ! with all things being equal other than the seats?

    Especially when all other companies sell a cars that is the same as car "A" and does 180klm to 10ltr for $10,000

    I don't get the logic.

    As I pointed out previously, I have DSLR's of different brands and like them all, I just have a problem with the marketing decision made by one company.

    Oh, as a P.S.

    As, do you think that "C" or any other camera manufacturer will read my bleeting in this thread???

    Do they read what is written in Dpreview and take note ???
    Do they read what is wirtten in the biggest photography internet community "Club Snap"...
    .
    I would guess YES

    Cheers
    Time, is an effortless construction :)

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Atlanta, GA
    Posts
    2,256

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    later the C N P S brand warriors all come into the thread..
    chezburgr i can haz?

  11. #11
    Senior Member denniskee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    bukit batok
    Posts
    5,468

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    most of the entry lvl users dun even know what the different metering modes are for...so your point being?
    this is not very correct lay, maybe entry lvl users dun know like what u stated, but they can learn mah, but if they want to learn, than they must buy higher end model (though it doesnt means knowing how to use spot metering or using high end models, for example, will make one a better photog)? why like that? other brands, they can learn as much as they want from their entry lvl camera.

    it is difficult, but try not to turn this into flame war lar. ts just stating facts here. though, maybe C give something else than others dont? and that makes it even?

    quite interesting subject actually, if someone can state the functions and compare entry lvl camera from all makers of similar launch date. than newbie can compare. to me, with modern day tech, picture quality dont differ much lar.
    Last edited by denniskee; 23rd November 2008 at 07:42 PM.
    photography makes one sees things from all angles.

  12. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Punggol
    Posts
    5,799

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    I'm shooting on my 400D. No spot metering, no pc-sync port, below-average AF accuracy, small view-finder, max 1/200 flash sync speed etc etc.

    I've been shooting for 11 months now. I like my photos, other people like my photos, I don't earn money from photography, it's strictly a hobby for now. If I don't have a feature, I try to work my way around it.

    So, am I missing out? Yeah, maybe. Do I care that much? Not really.

    Cheers,
    Zexun
    Our pictures are our footprints. Itís the best way to tell people we were here - JoeMcnally | Flickr

  13. #13

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    Haha, 450D has what. Anyway, Nikon doesn't have the focusing motor, so isn't that sort of withholding features? Now it doesn't make sense for lower-priced items to have all the features of high end ones, does it?

    Look at Apple locking up Ipod touch features software-wise, to sell more iphones.
    Research Institute for Unicultural Visual Arts - Riuva.com

  14. #14
    Senior Member glennyong's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    5,587

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
    Hello each,

    Over much time I have seen and read many good writings and many flames on the subject.

    I am not swayed one way or the other myself (I own both brands..along with others).....
    .
    There is one point though that does bother me (as a sales person of DSLR's).
    .
    That point is that "C" cripple their entry level camera to get "C" buyers to buy the next model up.

    What am I talking about you say ?

    300D, 350D, 400D and 1000D do not have spot metering.

    No other camera company play's this trick.

    I have been told by a "C" rep that the idea is to intice customers that want that feature to buy a higher model.

    It does not come down to price (here "O" twin lens is cheaper ... and has spot metering).
    .
    As I mentioned, I do not follow the (if have "N" then "C" is not as good, or visa versa)
    I own "C" "N" "O" DSLR's and love them/use them all.
    .
    I simply think that "C",s marketing tactics for the first time DSLR owners SUCK.

    Any feedback from you ? ....do you think I have it wrong (I will stand corrected).

    Cheers
    has been some time since we last exchange pm'es ! hahaha brother how have u been.

    cant believe u started this thread about C n N.....

  15. #15

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
    Any feedback from you ? ....do you think I have it wrong (I will stand corrected).

    Cheers
    but N brand cripples its entry level dslrs by not introducing internal af motors

    N users with entry level dslrs will ahve to buy af-s lenses, which are increasingly common, but have a number of additional strings attached to them, like price

    so the conclusion is go for P. P is good, P is sexy, and P has internal af motors and spot metering. along with in-body shake reduction

    btw, i have never used spot metering, i just used centre weighted all the time and judge by experience what result the camera will give me

  16. #16
    Senior Member Sion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    新天地
    Posts
    4,768

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    so the conclusion is go for P. P is good, P is sexy, and P has internal af motors and spot metering. along with in-body shake reduction
    P needs in-body shake reduction because P users tend to shake more than any other user.

  17. #17

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    P needs in-body shake reduction because P users tend to shake more than any other user.

  18. #18
    Senior Member Leong23's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    within myself
    Posts
    3,186

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    Quote Originally Posted by Headshotzx View Post
    I'm shooting on my 400D. No spot metering, no pc-sync port, below-average AF accuracy, small view-finder, max 1/200 flash sync speed etc etc.

    I've been shooting for 11 months now. I like my photos, other people like my photos, I don't earn money from photography, it's strictly a hobby for now. If I don't have a feature, I try to work my way around it.

    So, am I missing out? Yeah, maybe. Do I care that much? Not really.

    Cheers,
    Zexun
    i'm shooting on my D300, got spot meter, pc-sync port, 51 point AF, max 1/200 flash sync speed.

    But 90% of the time i don't use the above...... I using centre weight metering, manual focusing, my shutter speed all super slow, almost never reach 1/200sec.... i got 3 nikon speedlite, but don't know why i don't like CLS so i just cable them up and all set to manual.

    I start macro for 13 month, spend money like hell, but only hobby, so zero income from it.

    SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo what is you point????????

  19. #19
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Some equitorial, tropical isle
    Posts
    2,398

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    I am a Canon user and yes, I do think its not really "nice" to the entry level guy. I mean an entry level guy picks up a Canon 450D and then reads a good photography book.... then BAM! SPOT METERING.... don't have....

    Yeah, its one of those bummer situations.... So the poor guy learns how to work around it by estimating and compensating for the surrounding lighting. Learns how to expose for the forground and background, etc etc.... or he upgrades....

    Is it fair? Well, it is stated in the marketing literature so in a sense its fair. Its not "nice" though.... withholding an option.

    Btw, I hardly use the spotmetering anyway (which FYI is not 100% accurate for ALL cameras). After a while, you can sort of guess.

  20. #20

    Default Re: C vs N hahaha.... what say you???

    Quote Originally Posted by Zplus View Post
    I am a Canon user and yes, I do think its not really "nice" to the entry level guy. I mean an entry level guy picks up a Canon 450D and then reads a good photography book.... then BAM! SPOT METERING.... don't have....

    Yeah, its one of those bummer situations.... So the poor guy learns how to work around it by estimating and compensating for the surrounding lighting. Learns how to expose for the forground and background, etc etc.... or he upgrades....

    Is it fair? Well, it is stated in the marketing literature so in a sense its fair. Its not "nice" though.... withholding an option.

    Btw, I hardly use the spotmetering anyway (which FYI is not 100% accurate for ALL cameras). After a while, you can sort of guess.
    450D has spot what. All 4 modes. SO BAM!! HE GETS TO USE SPOT.
    Research Institute for Unicultural Visual Arts - Riuva.com

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •