EOS 450D len

[kpatrick]

Hi,
I'll be getting the 450D soon, but cant make up my mind which len to pair up?
1. Kit Len 18-55 IS
2. Kit II 18-200 IS
3. Kit Len 18-55 IS + add $459 for EF S55-250IS (Alan photo promo)

Used my buddy 450D with Kit len last week and find that the zoom can be better, that caused my undecisive choice now.

Can any one offer any view?
thanks

[Trapper]

The 55-250mm can be bought for under $400. I'm not sure what you mean by "the zoom can be better" though; are you referring to the added reach provided by a 55-250? The 18-55 is always a good starting point, don't go buying lenses till you know you need them. Budget for accessories, dry cabinet, etc.

[leslens]

i personally would go for

18-200 despite pple saying the 18-55 and 50-250 offers better IQ (better IQ yes, but very very marginally)

i would start with the 18-200 and keep it for travel then progress to higher grade lenses. In this way u wont have redundancy. 18-200 for travel and convenience when its impossible to carry > 1 lens and quality lenses for great shots when u can

You can then aim for either of these 4 combi for crop cams

1. 17-55 2.8 IS USM with 70-200 F4 IS
2. 17-40 L F 4 with 70-200 F4 IS
3. 10-22 EFS with 24-105 F4 IS
4. 17-50 2.8 tamron with 70-200 F4 IS
if budget does not allow, replace the 70-200 with the very capable 50-250 IS

u wont go wrong with any of the combis i personally am aiming for combi 1 or 4 with my canon 18-200

[gman23xx]

Get the 18-55mm kit lens. 55-250mm lens and maybe a 50mm f1.8. These are the 3 best lenses to get started.


If you really want a 55-250mm, please don't go pay $459 for it. It retails for about $360+ at other shops.


gman

[kpatrick]

thanks all for your feedback.
Mine needs as follow:
1. take pic of my kids (indoor + o/D)
2. simple to use for travel wit 2 young kid

shld i just get the Kit II @ $1780 (quoted by MS color) + Flash ?
or Kit + Flash?

[tempdan]

dont get flash 11st,
if you want to take indoor, get 50f1.8 1st.

so that you can use it for low light and indoor.

after using for a while, and if need flash, then get it.

I got my flash and 50f1.4
but have not use my flash at all. but have been using 50mm all the time

[pplneedthelord]

Lens... NOT len


18-55 IS and 55-250 IS sounds like a good option.

if you really want a flash go for the 430EXII

[chalib]

Originally Posted by tempdan dont get flash 11st, if you want to take indoor, get 50f1.8 1st. so that you can use it for low light and indoor. after using for a while, and if need flash, then get it. I got my flash and 50f1.4 but have not use my flash at all. but have been using 50mm all the time

Fast lens is not a substitution for flash..... Flash is important for portrait shoot

With fast lens u can take more ambience light but the subject will still be underexposed if there is not enough light fall on the subject, that is where you need flash.....

Dont mislead TS

[weixiang1900]

Originally Posted by pplneedthelord Lens... NOT len 18-55 IS and 55-250 IS sounds like a good option. if you really want a flash go for the 430EXII

430EXII is selling at $410 nett... from shops

[pplneedthelord]

Originally Posted by weixiang1900 430EXII is selling at $410 nett... from shops

You're not that correct here. shops like cathay photo are selling at $435 nett, alan photo selling at $400(grey set) and John 3:16 selling at $440.

i got mine 2 weeks back from John 3:16 at $440 + a diffuser at $30

[khloh46]

Get the body and wait for tamron 18-270 VC. It is a good travel lens in my opinion. Or even 18-200.

[billycadiz]

Originally Posted by khloh46 Get the body and wait for tamron 18-270 VC. It is a good travel lens in my opinion. Or even 18-200.

when? is it good?

[weixiang1900]

Originally Posted by pplneedthelord You're not that correct here. shops like cathay photo are selling at $435 nett, alan photo selling at $400(grey set) and John 3:16 selling at $440. i got mine 2 weeks back from John 3:16 at $440 + a diffuser at $30

OP is selling $410 nett
MSColor is selling $415 nett...

i am correct here.. coz i enquired the price myself directly.
so sorry that you bought at a higher price

[pplneedthelord]

Originally Posted by weixiang1900 OP is selling $410 nett MSColor is selling $415 nett... i am correct here.. coz i enquired the price myself directly. so sorry that you bought at a higher price

that alright. the extra charge was worth it with the excellent service they provided.

[Lost Dog]

Originally Posted by tempdan dont get flash 11st, if you want to take indoor, get 50f1.8 1st. so that you can use it for low light and indoor. after using for a while, and if need flash, then get it. I got my flash and 50f1.4 but have not use my flash at all. but have been using 50mm all the time

I can't believe i'm reading this.


Flash is the most important no matter how big your aperture is.
A big opening is never a substitute for using a flash.

To TS. my suggestion is to get what is cheapest and basic for you. kit of 18-55 is enough already. buy flash if have extra. then play play play for a lot of months.

by then, you'll know what to buy.

[calebk]

Originally Posted by billycadiz when? is it good?

One must understand the individual strengths and weaknesses of a lens. Evidently, any super zoom will struggle with indoor photography, even with flash.

[YqArts]

Originally Posted by leslens i personally would go for 18-200 despite pple saying the 18-55 and 50-250 offers better IQ (better IQ yes, but very very marginally) i would start with the 18-200 and keep it for travel then progress to higher grade lenses. In this way u wont have redundancy. 18-200 for travel and convenience when its impossible to carry > 1 lens and quality lenses for great shots when u can You can then aim for either of these 4 combi for crop cams 1. 17-55 2.8 IS USM with 70-200 F4 IS 2. 17-40 L F 4 with 70-200 F4 IS 3. 10-22 EFS with 24-105 F4 IS 4. 17-50 2.8 tamron with 70-200 F4 IS if budget does not allow, replace the 70-200 with the very capable 50-250 IS u wont go wrong with any of the combis i personally am aiming for combi 1 or 4 with my canon 18-200

Are you sure about your statment that the IQ of 18-55 and 55-250 winning only marginally?
Dont mislead if you are unsure. My take is that okay sure you can take a 18-200. What if you get another better lens? EG. 17-55 . There will be overlap, then will you want to bring both out when you go shooting? the 17-55 for the quality and the 18-200 for the 55-200 range? Goodluck for the trouble then.
Skip the 18-200 start with something better dispite the shorting zoom range. EG. 18-55 IS , 17-50 tammy or 17-55 IS.

Originally Posted by Trapper The 55-250mm can be bought for under $400. I'm not sure what you mean by "the zoom can be better" though; are you referring to the added reach provided by a 55-250? The 18-55 is always a good starting point, don't go buying lenses till you know you need them. Budget for accessories, dry cabinet, etc.

Totally agreed. I dont really recommend you to BBB when you are not even sure what you want. Definite there are days where you will need longer range or wider view. But how often do you need them ? 1%? or 5% ? Start with something simpler.

Originally Posted by khloh46 Get the body and wait for tamron 18-270 VC. It is a good travel lens in my opinion. Or even 18-200.

Agreed with reservation. Depends what kind of purposely you are after. Quality or comfort of usage. Btw. This is DSLR... just a reminder.

Originally Posted by Lost Dog I can't believe i'm reading this. Flash is the most important no matter how big your aperture is. A big opening is never a substitute for using a flash. To TS. my suggestion is to get what is cheapest and basic for you. kit of 18-55 is enough already. buy flash if have extra. then play play play for a lot of months. by then, you'll know what to buy.

Agreed. Adding to what Lost Dog mentioned. Larger aperture = shallower DOF. Trying taking a group photo with F 1.4 .. Goodluck.

Originally Posted by calebk One must understand the individual strengths and weaknesses of a lens. Evidently, any super zoom will struggle with indoor photography, even with flash.

Agreed... There is no defined line between good or bad lens. Only lens with different strength and depending on their Cost to Quality value. Personally i reccommend quality over convenience... Since you decided to get DSLR, I suppose you are after quality anyway.. If not P&S has mega zoom too...
Its your call

[EOS Revolution]

I would go for 18-55 IS + flash or 450D body alone+ tamron 17-50 + flash , whichever u can afford... whats ur budget btw?

[leslens]

i cant believe there are such bigots around, even in a mature forum
when i read ur reply, it is as if you are marking our answers

im sure that the IQ of 18-55 and 55-250 wins only marginally, thats my perception. This is subjective, im sure u know wat that means. If u want better IQ, might as well make the straight jump to the best lenses canon offers ie, 17-55 and 70-200

what im saying is that i will keep 18-200 and get better lenses when the situation allows.
1 for travel
1 for taking shots when the situation allows for more lenses

which part arnt u clear?

Originally Posted by YqArts Are you sure about your statment that the IQ of 18-55 and 55-250 winning only marginally? Dont mislead if you are unsure. My take is that okay sure you can take a 18-200. What if you get another better lens? EG. 17-55 . There will be overlap, then will you want to bring both out when you go shooting? the 17-55 for the quality and the 18-200 for the 55-200 range? Goodluck for the trouble then. Skip the 18-200 start with something better dispite the shorting zoom range. EG. 18-55 IS , 17-50 tammy or 17-55 IS.

u really dont make sense here. so what happens if u get the 1855 then u get another better lens? EG. 17-55. There will be overlap, then will u want to sell off ur 18-55?
its is clear that im bringing the 18-200 for difficult travel places and the other 2 lenses when i can locally or idyllic travel locations. They serve mutually exclusive purposes.
I have many friends whom started with 18-55 55-250 then decided to sell both to get better lenses then in the end up with a superzoom when they are tired of changing lenses or pixel peeping.

I would say the slight improvement in 18-55 and 55-250 over teh 18-200 does not justify the frequent lens changes. Thats my opinion, i wouldnt dare impose my opinions like some bigots here

edited biggot->bigot - thanks for the correction

Originally Posted by YqArts Totally agreed. I dont really recommend you to BBB when you are not even sure what you want. Definite there are days where you will need longer range or wider view. But how often do you need them ? 1%? or 5% ? Start with something simpler. Agreed with reservation. Depends what kind of purposely you are after. Quality or comfort of usage. Btw. This is DSLR... just a reminder. Agreed. Adding to what Lost Dog mentioned. Larger aperture = shallower DOF. Trying taking a group photo with F 1.4 .. Goodluck. Agreed... There is no defined line between good or bad lens. Only lens with different strength and depending on their Cost to Quality value. Personally i reccommend quality over convenience... Since you decided to get DSLR, I suppose you are after quality anyway.. If not P&S has mega zoom too... Its your call

[YqArts]

Originally Posted by leslens i cant believe there are such biggots around, even in a mature forum when i read ur reply, it is as if you are marking our answers im sure that the IQ of 18-55 and 55-250 wins only marginally, thats my perception. This is subjective, im sure u know wat that means. If u want better IQ, might as well make the straight jump to the best lenses canon offers ie, 17-55 and 70-200 what im saying is that i will keep 18-200 and get better lenses when the situation allows. 1 for travel 1 for taking shots when the situation allows for more lenses which part arnt u clear? u really dont make sense here. so what happens if u get the 1855 then u get another better lens? EG. 17-55. There will be overlap, then will u want to sell off ur 18-55? its is clear that im bringing the 18-200 for difficult travel places and the other 2 lenses when i can locally or idyllic travel locations. They serve mutually exclusive purposes. I have many friends whom started with 18-55 55-250 then decided to sell both to get better lenses then in the end up with a superzoom when they are tired of changing lenses or pixel peeping. I would say the slight improvement in 18-55 and 55-250 over teh 18-200 does not justify the frequent lens changes. Thats my opinion, i wouldnt dare impose my opinions like some biggots here

At least i bother to reply. Live in your own well then.
Sure its up to you.
Seems name calling is your nature? So whatever. Have it your way smallgot.
Get the 18-200 and sell it off later sure.
See you around the BnS.