which one would u buy ??

kex · 28th August 2003

ok guys,

i have always been craving for a leica M6 with a 35cron,recently i went past cathay and came across this Mamiya7ii RF which seems to be a very good camera with a 6x7 format..
i shoot slides 95% for my own leisure,which camera would u choose if u were me ??? the dream leica with the 35cron(used ard $4k) with the postage stamp size slides ?or the new mamiya 7ii with the 80mm F4(new $2880!!)with the nice 6x7 format ??
would u forgo the 2 stops diff in speed and size for the bigger trans ?
i know i could use higher ASA film,but i prefer finer grain slides..
i do not like to shoot wif a tripod either..this purchase will mostly be a personal camera not for my work..
Of coz i love to own both,but $$$$ is hard to earn nowadays

got many other commitments..
juz for reference,i have 2 RB67 with assorted lenses, a Rolleicord(shutterspeed not accurate), 4 nikon bodies with assorted lens..one G1 and A60..which camera would U buy ??leica or mamiya ??

thanks !!

ralphii82sg · 18th September 2003

leica

okie...i have not used a mamiya personally, so can't comment on that...but I have used a m6 for a short period of time.. the faint sound(if u can hear it) of the leica's shutter, the ease of operating the body and the ability to take a shot w/o anyone attention is simply too tempting...hahaha~~

but then again...do u have a budget to stick to??

kex · 18th September 2003

thats y i'm selling my F5

i actually tried the M7ii at cathay last week..now leaning more to mamiya,coz i think leica output too small for the price..
maybe when i got some spare cash lying around,then i'll get the leica.

Top Gun · 19th September 2003

Mamiya, for the size of slides.
It is really a gap.

kex · 19th September 2003

*bigger is better*

xplorer2 · 1st October 2003

Okie, I may be in a position to answer the question as I have both. An M6 Classsic as well as a Mamiya7II. As you mention that you take mostly slides and that is where the Mamiya7II truely shines as its lenses are contrasty and they have a quality that is readily apparent compared to a 35mm slide.

True, the Mamiya have lenses that are slower F4 and slower, but its a rangefinder design and there is no mirror slap and I have always hand hold it without any issues and shooting at Velvia rated at ISO40 going down at speeds of 1/30 - 1/15. It is easier than to handle than most other 6x7 which since you have two RBs, I am sure you will know.

What are the downside of the M7II? The lenses do not focus close enough so if you like to take portraiture shots, this may not be the setup for you. Even with the 150mm lens, you will not be able to get close head shots and you will have to resort to a fair bit of cropping which is just a waste for the 6x7 format.

However, if you are looking at environmental portraiture and landscape shots, then the Mamiya7II is a great setup and the 43mm lens is highly regarded even though it is based on a Zeiss Biogon design.

kex · 2nd October 2003

hi,
thanks for all advises,i have decided to send my Rolleicord in for CLA instead..i think i would enjoy alot more with 6x6 trans and $2880 in my biscuit tin rather than putting the $$ in cathay cash register..

jasonpgc · 2nd October 2003

You have to ask yourself. After you have the Mamiya, will you continue to crave for the small, light, expensive, pocket sized leica?

Red Dawn · 2nd October 2003

Originally Posted by kex

hi,
thanks for all advises,i have decided to send my Rolleicord in for CLA instead..i think i would enjoy alot more with 6x6 trans and $2880 in my biscuit tin rather than putting the $$ in cathay cash register..

uhmmm but u still need a small and discreet 35mm system, don't you?

kex · 2nd October 2003

not in this bad economy..maybe when things get better

2nd October 2003

With $2,880, sure you can get "a small and discreet 35mm system". Like this one

http://www.ritzcam.com/catalog/images/IIIfClam.JPG

(p/s: its actual price is USD1,495 . But do it only when the economy is really good

No, I'm just kidding, with that $$$$, go get a set of Hassy )

kex · 2nd October 2003

i never try a hassy b4 leh..the price is too prohibitive for me to even think about it..
the kit is usually affordable,but who would be satisfied with just one lens..adding CZ lens is like buying diamonds.
lucky i'm very satisfied with my mamiya system,so no urge for a hassy.

11th October 2003

Originally Posted by kex

hi,
thanks for all advises,i have decided to send my Rolleicord in for CLA instead..i think i would enjoy alot more with 6x6 trans and $2880 in my biscuit tin rather than putting the $$ in cathay cash register..

Hello Kex,

Can you tell me more details on CLA? (TLR) Do it in S'pore or overseas?

thanks

kex · 11th October 2003

Any competent camera repair shop should be able to perform a CLA for ur TLR.
what details do u need ?

12th October 2003

Just got the mamiya for the big negs.at first wanna get the Minolta CLE but cannot find in SG,ah, the rangefinder with "A" mode built years back before the Leica M7. but me mostly shooting B/W, so how's the contrast for the without filters on?? been shooting B/W films with filters on 35mm system all along.

28th August 2003	#1
kex Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: beebox Posts: 2,101	which one would u buy ?? ok guys, i have always been craving for a leica M6 with a 35cron,recently i went past cathay and came across this Mamiya7ii RF which seems to be a very good camera with a 6x7 format.. i shoot slides 95% for my own leisure,which camera would u choose if u were me ??? the dream leica with the 35cron(used ard $4k) with the postage stamp size slides ?or the new mamiya 7ii with the 80mm F4(new $2880!!)with the nice 6x7 format ?? would u forgo the 2 stops diff in speed and size for the bigger trans ? i know i could use higher ASA film,but i prefer finer grain slides.. i do not like to shoot wif a tripod either..this purchase will mostly be a personal camera not for my work.. Of coz i love to own both,but $$$$ is hard to earn nowadays got many other commitments.. juz for reference,i have 2 RB67 with assorted lenses, a Rolleicord(shutterspeed not accurate), 4 nikon bodies with assorted lens..one G1 and A60..which camera would U buy ??leica or mamiya ?? thanks !!

18th September 2003	#2
ralphii82sg Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 523	leica okie...i have not used a mamiya personally, so can't comment on that...but I have used a m6 for a short period of time.. the faint sound(if u can hear it) of the leica's shutter, the ease of operating the body and the ability to take a shot w/o anyone attention is simply too tempting...hahaha~~ but then again...do u have a budget to stick to??

18th September 2003	#3
kex Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: beebox Posts: 2,101	thats y i'm selling my F5 i actually tried the M7ii at cathay last week..now leaning more to mamiya,coz i think leica output too small for the price.. maybe when i got some spare cash lying around,then i'll get the leica.

19th September 2003	#4
Top Gun Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 529	Mamiya, for the size of slides. It is really a gap.

1st October 2003	#6
xplorer2 Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 309	Okie, I may be in a position to answer the question as I have both. An M6 Classsic as well as a Mamiya7II. As you mention that you take mostly slides and that is where the Mamiya7II truely shines as its lenses are contrasty and they have a quality that is readily apparent compared to a 35mm slide. True, the Mamiya have lenses that are slower F4 and slower, but its a rangefinder design and there is no mirror slap and I have always hand hold it without any issues and shooting at Velvia rated at ISO40 going down at speeds of 1/30 - 1/15. It is easier than to handle than most other 6x7 which since you have two RBs, I am sure you will know. What are the downside of the M7II? The lenses do not focus close enough so if you like to take portraiture shots, this may not be the setup for you. Even with the 150mm lens, you will not be able to get close head shots and you will have to resort to a fair bit of cropping which is just a waste for the 6x7 format. However, if you are looking at environmental portraiture and landscape shots, then the Mamiya7II is a great setup and the 43mm lens is highly regarded even though it is based on a Zeiss Biogon design.

2nd October 2003	#7
kex Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: beebox Posts: 2,101	hi, thanks for all advises,i have decided to send my Rolleicord in for CLA instead..i think i would enjoy alot more with 6x6 trans and $2880 in my biscuit tin rather than putting the $$ in cathay cash register..

2nd October 2003	#8
jasonpgc Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 487	You have to ask yourself. After you have the Mamiya, will you continue to crave for the small, light, expensive, pocket sized leica?

2nd October 2003	#11
Nescafe Guests Posts: n/a	With $2,880, sure you can get "a small and discreet 35mm system". Like this one http://www.ritzcam.com/catalog/images/IIIfClam.JPG (p/s: its actual price is USD1,495 . But do it only when the economy is really good No, I'm just kidding, with that $$$$, go get a set of Hassy )

11th October 2003	#14
kex Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: beebox Posts: 2,101	Any competent camera repair shop should be able to perform a CLA for ur TLR. what details do u need ?

12th October 2003	#15
andylee Guests Posts: n/a	Just got the mamiya for the big negs.at first wanna get the Minolta CLE but cannot find in SG,ah, the rangefinder with "A" mode built years back before the Leica M7. but me mostly shooting B/W, so how's the contrast for the without filters on?? been shooting B/W films with filters on 35mm system all along.