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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBig
    for your info, this country ain't USA

    well we can hand him over to the police and insist that he's one very perverted guy and suggest the police to search his house for he could be indulged with pornography and so on. That will surely nail him down for good.
    That's a very dangerous allegation - if the person is innocent, you are opening yourself up for a slander/libel lawsuit.

    MrBig, your so-called "righteous" act smacks of arrogance and just plain bullying.

    As other members have pointed out, unless the photog was truly trying to take indecent pictures (eg upskirts, etc.) either secretly or openly, the photog has every right to stand on the street and point his camera openly and take pictures.

    How would you differentiate between someone who is taking scenics of the Heeren at the junction and just so happen the girls are standing in front of the Heeren?

    I do not think anyone has the right to demand that a photographer delete or destroy their images/film taken in a public place just because you are standing in the field of view.

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    Aiya, guys just ignore him lah. Who is a bigger ass than one that calls ppl ass?

    He is just trying to get attention from something very insignificant.

    Btw, from a ex POLICE OFFICER point of view, I can tell u that, nope its not illegal. The police cannot do anything about it as the photographer was not taking any obsence pics of the 2 girls. By the way, you cant detain him too. If he knows his legal rights well, you could be charged for hasslement.

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    I think the sole purpose of you telling the gals is so that you wish they would thank you for telling them someone is taking street photography on them and make him look bad and yourself look good. Or you made the whole story up to gain attention.

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    Please don't take me to the police, I took a number of secret shots at Tiong Bahru Market.
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    Default MrBig.. u r so small after our replies.

    his initial posts and the initial encouraging replies must made him feel so BIG.

    after he lost it when a few don't agree with his "acts or heroism and public spiritness", he became so small.

    We have some photographers lamenting that Singaporeans young and old are so camera shy and make bad subjects in street photography. And here we have a MrBig doing against the grain of photography and asking the public to be more aware of photographers who are doing plain photography. I think for people like these, there is one solution for their female spouse or girlfriends.

    Wear a Tudang!!

    And for those male who espouse the thinking of MrBig and do not want themselves to be captured by other photographers in public secretly or openly, there is one solution.

    Wear a Cowboy hat!!

    hahahah!!!
    Last edited by 10Der; 27th August 2003 at 09:42 PM.

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    okok lah ... cool down guys ... whether it's right or wrong ... only the guy who took the pics knows it ... we might not know the intention tat guy's doing so dun assuming things here loh ... ... dun creat animosity among CSers lehz ... Cool cool down

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    What Mr Big did was noble as the guy likely had some ill intention and informing the ladies is noble. Acutally at waist level and close quarters, I really dun noe what is there to shoot. There is such thing as "mind your own business" and one may never know whose foot has been stepped upon.

    Though I can understand his noble intentions to sound out to the ladies, somewhat "threatening" other members of the photog community if they are perceived to be taking illicit pic, in his first statment, sounds pompous. There is an art called subtlety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBig
    He should try using a smaller camera next time.
    sounds like you do condone fat ass' act, as long as he doesn't use your beloved big F717. So if he was using an A70, you'd have thought he did fine yeah?

    anyway, I agree that fat ass (oooh he shld be given a proper name) did nothing wrong, if not I should have been arrested long ago too. And streetshooter, he should be on the electric chair already. Then again, if he was so scared when confronted, probably means he is guilty of having indecent intentions? Still, the bottomline is that technically, he did not commit a crime. But I must say that the girls have a right to request for him to delete their pictures, but they shouldn't be calling him a pervert or a voyeur.

    Mr Big, maybe you can feel good next time by helping a granny cross the road, or giving up your seat to the pregnant lady. For that we'll pat your back without argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff49er
    Acutally at waist level and close quarters, I really dun noe what is there to shoot.
    are u bored with your current style of photography? Try this style, you may discover the interesting side of it! Esp with a wide angle.

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    can·did:
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    Not posed or rehearsed: a candid snapshot.

    Please stop feeling self-righteous over what you did. What you did was wrong. Does this mean that everyone who takes candid shots of men/women in public is committing a criminal offence under the penal code? As others have said, its not as if the guy was taking up skirts or down blouse.

    If you don't know the law, I suggest you go and read up a bit and then come back and post with your findings.

    Also, your discrimination against fat people makes me think your behaviour is disgusting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBig
    Anyway just don't bump into me or I'll weed you out. Yes I mean U! Don't let me catch any of you misusing yr cameras and violating individual's privacy. Though I'm not a policeman I won't hesitate to hand you over to the proper authority.
    Go and tailor make a skin-tight suit leh. Preferably pink colour, and make sure the underwear is on the outside. Stitch a big nice "B" on the chest. When the music rolls, recite the above passage as your war cry. That'll be quite a sight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tweek
    Go and tailor make a skin-tight suit leh. Preferably pink colour, and make sure the underwear is on the outside. Stitch a big nice "B" on the chest. When the music rolls, recite the above passage as your war cry. That'll be quite a sight!
    hahaha that is funny..

    And don't forget to wear along a pink colour cowboy hat when you go into action as the new super hero "MrBig" along the streets of orchard road.
    MrBig, the new superhero who is out to rid the streets of candid shooter of girls in public.

    Street Photographers, beware of MrBig!

    MrBig, I think with your pink outfit, you will make a great pair with that infamous Pink Hello Kitty crossdresser who was often spotted near Borders a few years ago.

    hahaha!!!

    I think with that pink outfit, your nick can gradually change to MrPig
    why?
    Pink outfit
    + MrBig
    = MrPig

    hahahaha

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    hmm..getting a bit personal here. think best for all parties to exercise some self restraint - things could get uglier.

    mods?

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    I personally I don't know Mr.Big but I have strong memory about his comments in the past:
    1. Degrading comment on why female should not join the reservist (the post had been deleted since it was very degrading to female)
    2. He downloaded newest Harry Potter pdf copy illegally from Kazaa (and proudly announce it in the CS forum), well I think police will nail you also if they found this copy on your HDD.

    Now, who is the thief?
    Last edited by Knighthunter; 27th August 2003 at 10:58 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon33
    hmm..getting a bit personal here. think best for all parties to exercise some self restraint - things could get uglier.

    mods?
    Just practising the common law of "Do not do unto others what you do not want others to do unto you"

    What MrBig did smacks of a bloated sense of self-righteousness for personal self-satisfaction and a certain ego that is evident in many footprints left behind in his posts as well as his nick.

    I think what he did is uncalled for..
    imagine you are a street photographer and shooting away at a building or even some people in the public, then a hostile looking person or groups of person come to you and claim that you are totally wrong to shoot at them or seem to shoot at them.. and charged that you are a pervert and nasty weed of society who is mascarading as a artistic photographer, though you insists that you are just doing candid shots of handsome man or pretty women. However, the hostile protaganist insists that you deleted the files in the digicam or pull out the films in your analog cams. Otherwise, he will call the police and search through your house for the slightest hint of pornographic material, whatever.

    What do you do about such people????

    And btw, if you are overweight, that hostile person will call you a "fat arse"!

    Does such a hostile person with his own brand of self-righteousness deserve any respect?

    He brought upon the disdain and ridicule on himself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knighthunter
    I personally I don't know Mr.Big but I have strong memory about his comments in the past:
    1. Degrading comment on why female should not join the reservist (the post had been deleted since it was very degrading to female)
    2. He downloaded newest Harry Potter pdf copy illegally from Kazaa (and proudly announce it in the CS forum), well I think police will nail you also if they found this copy on your HDD.

    Now, who is the thief?
    whatever it is, i'm pretty disgusted by the presence of this "MrBIG" guy in this forum.

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    Hi,

    I still remember the days when I just started photography and I was chased away by those old lady/man when I do my street photography in chinatown area.

    Frankly speaking, it is nothing wrong to shoot people on the street. Dont tell me if any of us when went overseas traveling, we dont take any pic or people on the streets?! Why make a big fuss when someone doing this common kind of shooting when they are in our local land? Does it mean when you are in your local place, you can't shoot the people in your own country? Such street photography is only allow when you are in overseas? Or only tourist may have a right to do so?

    Maybe you must be some "handsome smart looking righteous guy" instead of "Fat looking guy" to enjoy such art of street photography? For those who enjoy street photography and are over-weight, I think you better try to loose some weight before you go on the street to do your shooting again loh...

    "Being righteous is not a wrong thing, but it must at least come with some IQ and EQ."

    Just shareing some of my personal view and hope no offence to anyone.

    Regards,
    Sammedia
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    mmm...I guess each is justified by their intentions and rationale for thinking the way they think. There is no absolutes as one chooses to see and justify their actions.

    The scary part of one assumption as 10Der correctly mentioned is that a photog must not be afraid to bring a camera out to shoot; it is irrelevant whether the photog brings the camera to his eye level or shooting from his hip, or for this matter, his chest. The act of taking photos is not inherently wrong. The intention of taking photos cannot be assumed to be wrong (in a very Singaporean sense of <guilty until proven innocent>). We can all be responsible citizens in any society, but each must not attempt to overextend our self-righteousness. Furthermore, I dread the day when each and every act must be written down and preapproved before we can do it <aka no U-turns unless we see a U-turn sign>.

    Therefore,

    1. the fat ass is not wrong to take pictures; whether it is of stone chairs or people, or pretty looking girls; but then if his subjects are political/security sensitive locations/people he can be invited for an interview and those film conficated/digital images deleted.
    2. the fat ass have to stop taking their pictures when asked to; if he does not, the subjects can file charges of harassment. Or the police may simply charge him for being a public nusiance.
    3. the fat ass do not have to delete if he do not wishes to legally (subjected to point 1); because he created those images, abeit unwilling subjects. The subjects may seek injunction to stop him from selling/posting those pictures (if they can prove that his actions have indicated that possibility)
    4. the fat ass can be ordered by the court to stop selling or remove the postings (note: it is irrelevant whether the pictures are offensive or pretty)
    5. the fat ass can tell everybody that he wants to shoot upskirts of the subjects; as long as he have not done it or caught doing it, he has done nothing wrong. Only shows that he is an *******/jerk, and there is no law against that.
    6. the Singapore law enforcement CAN visit the fat ass home and find things incriminating him in many other offences with just a "suspicion" unlike the USA (they require a court order; and the court require proof; and can only use the relevant evidence found but not other incriminating items for other separate crimes)

    Of course, if you replace "fat ass" with "photographer" changes our thinking quite a bit. Though I am not lawyer, I learned all these shooting in Utah, LA, NY through other photogs. Common sense do not vary very much, only the application of the law.

    Hopefully this helps a bit.

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    My thoughts:
    1) MrBig claims that person (lets not call him names - could be our fellow member) is behaving suspiciously, so maybe indeed he is up to no good.
    2) All photographers have rights to take pictures of anyone in tastefully acceptable manner - the question is do we have the courtesy to ask or at least signal our intention to take pictures. Taking pictures in secret (esp for untasteful purposes should be condemned)
    3) If the girls requests the pictures to be deleted, by all means, the person should do it
    4) I think MrBig being proud of the situation is unneccesary, nobody has proven that the person is a criminal. If indeed the person has taken compromising shots of the 2 girls, they would have seen the previews and sent him to the police. So I guess this incident is slightly overblown

    Bottomline - repect each other, doesn't make you a better person by making another seem worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by majere2sg

    Please don't take me to the police, I took a number of secret shots at Tiong Bahru Market.
    Those were classified as Street Shots or Candids. Don't worry.

    Do try stop me from taking the kind of snapshots I do in the same circumstance as my last organised outing. Cuz I do happen to know my rights within the law well enough. Period.
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