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    happen to know 2... lol...
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    ROAR!!!!!



    and my watermark has been removed!!! this is time for a lawyer's letter.
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    i think i will seek legal advise if they do not heed my warning.

    so nice to see that my works have become someone else's.
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    Hi, this is Kevin.

    As NBTD no longer operational, as I will be heading overseas for work.

    The models have been taken care and taken over by another company known as MWS.

    However, I guess there is a deep misunderstanding to this matter as it has been brought to my attention to this thread. The photos have been delivered to us by the models to do up their com cards and we did inform the models to seek permission from the photographers before any forms of proceedings if they are permitted for commercial usage.

    If permission was not proper granted, please email to admin@mediaworkshop.biz and we will have them removed while letting the models know the seriousness of this matter as we did highlight to them about copyright matters.

    As for the watermark, it was base on the designers designs but again, we did inform the models to let the photographers know about it so that we can credit them on the com card. However, we won't exactly know if the messages have been passed down correctly, hence, let to such confusions and unhappiness.

    Over little how much we understand about this matter of copyrights, we will be shutting down the whole website with immediate effect till this matter has been resolved in peace.

    I sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iluvmazda View Post
    Hi, this is Kevin.

    As NBTD no longer operational, as I will be heading overseas for work.

    The models have been taken care of another company known as MWS.

    However, I guess there is a deep misunderstanding to this matter as it has been brought to my attention to this thread. The photos have been delivered to us by the models to do up their com cards and we did inform the models to seek permission from the photographers before any forms of proceedings.

    If permission was not proper granted, please email to admin@mediaworkshop.biz and we will have them removed while letting the models know the serioiusness of this matter as we did highlight to them about copyright matters.

    As for the watermark, it was base on my designers designs but again, we did inform the models to let the photographers know about it so that we can credit them on the com card. However, we won't exactly know if the messages have been passed down correctly, hence, let to such confusions and unhappiness.

    Over little how much we understand about this matter of copyrights, we will be shutting down the whole website with immediate effect till this matter has been resolved in peace.

    I sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused.
    hi kevin,

    thanks for the explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake View Post
    i think i will seek legal advise if they do not heed my warning.

    so nice to see that my works have become someone else's.

    My apology Cheesecake and to the rest of the photographers as well. The matter will be resolved asap.

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    Well, I just wrote an email to MWS giving 3 days to remove these, failing which we will initiate legal actions for copyright infringement.

    http://www.mediaworkshop.biz/images/...yn_comcard.jpg
    http://www.mediaworkshop.biz/images/...el_comcard.jpg

    Jaclyn's right most photo was taken by me.
    The entire set of 3 photos in "Chanel"'s compcard were taken by me as well.

    According to Jaclyn, your explanation does not seem to be the case. She only submitted the photo for a casting and not for NBTD or MWS to use in a compcard.


    The basic rule is, if MWS did not commission the photos, then it is highly obvious that MWS do not own the copyright and should not use the photos. If an agency adamantly refuse to commission shoots for the compcards and wishes to use the photos provided by the model, then the agency should obtain the photographer's contact from the model and contact the photographer directly to obtain permission. This did not happen since MWS did not contact me. Kevin, you should know since this is not the first time I dealt with you regarding infringement of my copyright
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    Quote Originally Posted by iluvmazda View Post
    My apology Cheesecake and to the rest of the photographers as well. The matter will be resolved asap.
    yup, for me, since it will be resolved by a CSer, i guess i can take it easy.

    can't speak for the rest la.


    i've written an email in and i hope everything will be ok.



    the main issue is that i'm not happy to see that my hard-work has become someone else's work, with this tag, "Photography represented by MWS".




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    Quote Originally Posted by kirk View Post
    Well, I just wrote an email to MWS giving 3 days to remove these, failing which we will initiate legal actions for copyright infringement.

    http://www.mediaworkshop.biz/images/...yn_comcard.jpg
    http://www.mediaworkshop.biz/images/...el_comcard.jpg

    Jaclyn's right most photo was taken by me.
    The entire set of 3 photos in "Chanel"'s compcard were taken by me as well.

    According to Jaclyn, your explanation does not seem to be the case. She only submitted the photo for a casting and not for NBTD or MWS to use in a compcard.


    The basic rule is, if MWS did not commission the photos, then it is highly obvious that MWS do not own the copyright and should not use the photos. If an agency adamantly refuse to commission shoots for the compcards and wishes to use the photos provided by the model, then the agency should obtain the photographer's contact from the model and contact the photographer directly to obtain permission. This did not happen since MWS did not contact me.
    Hi Krik. I understand on the regulations now. Jaclyn contacted the person in charge over this matter and I will be handling this issue personally till it is resolved.

    However, http://www.mediaworkshop.biz/ has been shut down till further notice.

    Here are some of the notices we sent out to models previously:
    Dear Models, just a note on MWS behalf, we will be redoing your composite cards with the new company image logo and design. I understand that during the duration of hand over, we might have not the full procession of your photos, can you kindly send us at least 6 to 8 of your best pictures so that we can work on the new com card for you. Also do bear in mind to seek permission from your respective photographers and if there is a need for us to credit to them, do let us know their name / details.

    Dear Models, MWS is in the midst of settling down your com cards so that we can start working on your assignments straight away. If there are any issues concerning change of photos, photographers’ credit or any other matters, please do not hesitate to approach Manager of MWS, Models Management or reply to this email to address your matters.

    Perhaps it was not clearly stated enough. I will get this resolved and hightlight to the Managers and bookers right away on this factor.

    My apology about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake View Post
    yup, for me, since it will be resolved by a CSer, i guess i can take it easy.

    can't speak for the rest la.

    i've written an email in and i hope everything will be ok.

    the main issue is that i'm not happy to see that my hard-work has become someone else's work, with this tag, "Photography represented by MWS".

    thank you!

    Hi Cheesecake, this was actually advised from a friend if we are not very clear over where the photos are from and that's why I was advised to use 'represented by' and it doesn't mean taken or photo shot by the company. I am not so sure if this is a right move though so I actually got it implemented in my friend's company so to speak.

    Hmm... I guess the best solution willl be to get from the models the exact photographers terms and agreements before any moves were made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iluvmazda View Post
    Hi Cheesecake, this was actually advised from a friend if we are not very clear over where the photos are from and that's why I was advised to use 'represented by' and it doesn't mean taken or photo shot by the company. I am not so sure if this is a right move though so I actually got it implemented in my friend's company so to speak.

    Hmm... I guess the best solution willl be to get from the models the exact photographers terms and agreements before any moves were made.
    i guess that is ill-advised as u can browse through the last few posts here in this thread that a few of us are not pleased with the... photography represented thing.

    obviously i have a clear idea of what that "photography represented by MWS" means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake View Post
    i guess that is ill-advised as u can browse through the last few posts here in this thread that a few of us are not pleased with the... photography represented thing.

    obviously i have a clear idea of what that "photography represented by MWS" means.
    Yes and I guessed the best way will be 'approved by photographer' and 'leave the watermark there'.

    The whole department will be back to get all these cards and pictures redone and will be resolved within a week.

    I will need the photographers whom have their pictures up on site to drop an email to admin@mediaworkshop.biz so that we can take note of it and make a notice to the model to seek proper permission or sort other forms of solutions to have their com card done by another photographer or whatsoever.

    Thank you once again for all CSnappers understanding and forgiveness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iluvmazda View Post
    Yes and I guessed the best way will be 'approved by photographer' and 'leave the watermark there'.

    The whole department will be back to get all these cards and pictures redone and will be resolved within a week.

    I will need the photographers whom have their pictures up on site to drop an email to admin@mediaworkshop.biz so that we can take note of it and make a notice to the model to seek proper permission or sort other forms of solutions to have their com card done by another photographer or whatsoever.

    Thank you once again for all CSnappers understanding and forgiveness.
    yup, hope to get good news from you with regards to the removal of the fotos.

    since u ppl haf ur in*house fotographers, maybe u can revamp the whole thing and get them to shoot for you, to avoid such inconveniences and problems in the future.

    wish you a nice weekend ahead!
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    Mine here.



    Okay lah, was a studio tfcd and also i treat it only as a hobby.

    Saw in somebody's blog they actually print out the concert photos I posted here

    I feel happy that they printed them out
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    i dun understand why the responsibility of checking for permission for use of photos have to be pushed to the models. If MWS wants to use the photos, shouldnt MWS be contacting the photographers directly? Why the need to hide behind the models?

    If MWS wants to set it up as a model management agency, then it better get its act together and learn rule #1 of being a model management agency - have some integrity and commission your own models' photos for comcards. Respect is earned through action, not apologising and shutting down website (with a "We are under construction to better our quality services for you!" message - REALLY? haha) and coming out with a bunch of lame excuses like 'i checked with the models...'. DO THE CHECKS YOURSELF.

    I have a few photos being used in some of the comcards and while 1 set has been correctly credited (though I'm unaware of the permission to use), the others have been labeled as '... represented by MWS...'. What's that supposed to mean?

    I will be sending in my email soon.
    Last edited by Brand; 17th October 2008 at 06:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brand View Post
    i dun understand why the responsibility of checking for permission for use of photos have to be pushed to the models. If MWS wants to use the photos, shouldnt MWS be contacting the photographers directly? Why the need to hide behind the models?
    The photographers on CS are generally quite / very nice to the model since most of us are hobbyist (model and photographers) included.

    The agencies know that as well ... so the get the models to ask the photographers. Most of the photographers will not ask for a fee if the models ask them to use their photos on a website. But if the agencies were to come up front ans ask the photographers; they know they are most likely going to be paying for those photos ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Thai Bean View Post
    The photographers on CS are generally quite / very nice to the model since most of us are hobbyist (model and photographers) included.

    The agencies know that as well ... so the get the models to ask the photographers. Most of the photographers will not ask for a fee if the models ask them to use their photos on a website. But if the agencies were to come up front ans ask the photographers; they know they are most likely going to be paying for those photos ...
    yeah.. guess so as well.. but still business is business and due diligence has to be carried out, like it or not...

    oh well, like what TS says, there is no end.....

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    not to sound like i'm for the breach of ethics here but there's also the situation that there wasn't a written agreement between the photog and model to bind the model to the fact that they can't just allow the agency to use the shots...so technically the model could just do anything with the images....
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    Yes ... i agree with the above. Maybe when the photog gave the photos to the models, they may not have been very specific about what the models can do with those photos. They probably thot that the models only want the pictures for their own blog or for reprinting on their own.

    But i think as an agency, you should always do a comp card for your models on your own and not ask the models to submit 6-8 of their best pictures so that the agency can choose and use them on their website. Submission of the photos should be a casting ... and not for the agency to later use them.

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    Yes and all points noted.

    To brand, I truely understand the frustration side of it and we are trying to get this resolved soon. If there is anything which we can do to ease your anger, we will try to get it done with.

    Yes, we are to do up the com cards with our own resident photographering team but this will probably take time.

    Nope, I am not trying to push any blames to models but I accept this whole incident as it was wrongly past down. There isn't a need to pin point anyone because at the end of the day, when comes to court matters, the agency gets it so we will just get it resolved over at our level. At current, we have again inform the models to inform on the permission of photos and they must be watermarked. Also if possible we contact the photographers over a return email over any forms of confirmation if not we will not proceed with the usage.

    Perhaps all these again have been taken for granted of over my end and I should have gotten permission from the photograhpers directly instead of having to cause this commotion.

    However, all watermarks have been put back on the com cards for now till we redo all their pictures in time to come. It will probably take us about a month to complete full shoots of them all.

    If there are any future mistakes again, do email us at admin@mediaworkshop.biz and we will act on it straight away.

    Sorry for the trouble.
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