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    Quote Originally Posted by pfurr View Post
    and i would also like to add that we are probably discussing here about the problem of thread titles and themes for photoshoots being rather soft-porn, rather than artistic nude.
    Just a note to mention that we have been looking into this feedback and our internal discussion was derailed due to the recent server issues we were having. Good news is that the server has now been stabilised and we will now focus on this as a priority.

    To this end, we are proposing some changes to the way threads are created/named in the Photoshoots section while being entirely mindful that we do not use a hammer to kill a fly sort of thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zplus View Post
    One thing I do noticed, just now when I visited the links and the section, is that these shoots do overwhelm the photoshoots section. Which does drown out any other categories of photoshoots. Perhaps the mods can consider subcategories of shoots also
    With regards to this, we had already made a change some time back and there are now two sections that cater to paid shoots :-

    1. Workshops, Tutorials and Classes (link) - to cater for those who want to actually teach participants something to increase their photographic knowledge.

    2. Photoshoots (link) - to cater for those that want to just shoot and perhaps learn something along the way in terms of photographic knowledge.

    Granted that the photoshoots section has been dominated by one genre and unless some enterprising person(s) starts a trend of asking members to pay for the privilege of shooting something inanimate, or furry living things with more than two legs, we don't see a big requirement to further sub-divide the photoshoot section. We may be wrong though, so please advise us if there are areas we may have overlooked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Thai Bean View Post
    Well that's exactly my point ...

    Where do we draw the line of specific age requirement ??? above 18 ... above 21 ... above 25 ... Where ???

    I believe most (maybe up to 85%) of CSers are above 18 ... So would this age restricted acess still be effective?

    Unless we start to raise the age restriction higher than 18 ... then again ... is that necessary?

    If were to carry out a official demographic study of cs's age: population study. we can see that most would range 25 up. BUT like i said most.

    although the younger photographers aged below 16 are so called termed as "minority", i believe they still need to be given a good and proper environment and community to learn.

    i mentioned before in my previous replies (face to face or in PM or in cs..)

    Fine arts, and Soft Porn/Porn are divided by a thin line. In singapore, i've hardly seen anyone who appreciates fine arts. and those who run businesses in fine arts are artist themselves.

    well... there are those who "live" by the trade of providing the latter. question them, whether do they know anything about fine arts ?

    to me. its more like they are providing the supply to the demand here in cs. theres nothing wrong to it. but the community need something more tasteful, and a photography outing/shoot that can be enjoyed by people of all age groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by sORe-EyEz View Post
    restricting access is much easier once the forum into Photoshoots is further (for nude, bikini, soft-porn themed shoots) subdivided with a new 1 granting only participants who meet specific age reqiurements. a requirement not needed for other open forum within CS.

    we can come up 1001 ways to curb our younger photographers from entering this shoot. but that doesnt mean its fool proof.

    there will be cases where people will declare that they are 35, when they are only 16 or even 14. i've seen that kind of case before. (not in cs i mean)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfurr View Post
    also your female members, however few of us here there are.
    i see your point.

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    While I appericate the Admin and Mods taking an interest in this thread, I think the main question we have to first ask ourselves are:

    1) Are we OK with the thread titles of some of the paid shoots using SEX to sell the shoot?

    2) Are we OK with the nature of the shoot itself where SEX or Showing Flesh is the theme of the shoot.

    3) Is the above 2 giving CS a bad name?

    4) Is this the general direction which CS is heading where CS is known to be "THE Place to be" if you want sleaze or even be a part of the creation of sleazy images?

    Members here can only give their views but are powerless to do anything to effect change. It's up to the mods and admin to effect the change, if they feel there's a need for change.

    I would not be surprised if one day it become, "if you want to see sexy images of XMM, go to sammyboy and if you want create the pictures yourself, go to ClunSnap"
    I get paid more shooting part time ...... damn, I should find more time to shoot part time

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennyong View Post

    Fine arts, and Soft Porn/Porn are divided by a thin line. In singapore, i've hardly seen anyone who appreciates fine arts. and those who run businesses in fine arts are artist themselves.

    well... there are those who "live" by the trade of providing the latter. question them, whether do they know anything about fine arts ?
    Sorry I don't understand what point you're making here?
    So you are accepting that the people who are peddling what we perceive to be soft porn/porn have no appreciation of fine art, and you're ok with the blatant fact that they peddle shoots with the intention of softporn/porn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennyong View Post
    we can come up 1001 ways to curb our younger photographers from entering this shoot. but that doesnt mean its fool proof.

    there will be cases where people will declare that they are 35, when they are only 16 or even 14. i've seen that kind of case before. (not in cs i mean)

    well, after several incarnation software oso got bugs. but it does not mean newer 1s with less (not bug-free) will not be rolled out. even CS has made changes to its forum along the way, it surely does not like & feel like it was say 2 years back. so a new policy may not be foolproof, but is leaving things as they are the better option?

    age verification... use ID number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sORe-EyEz View Post
    well, after several incarnation software oso got bugs. but it does not mean newer 1s with less (not bug-free) will not be rolled out. even CS has made changes to its forum along the way, it surely does not like & feel like it was say 2 years back. so a new policy may not be foolproof, but is leaving things as they are the better option?

    age verification... use ID number?
    Let's get back to the basic first.

    In the first place are we going to con't to have these kind of ads/shoots/postings here in CS?

    Is the direction we're going base on allowing the above and than try to restrict it by way of a sub forum which needs age verification?

    If the above 2 answers are "Yes" than I don't see the point.
    Having this kind of Ads/shoots/postings, even with age verification will still make CS to be the place to go to for sexy/sleazy image to oggle at or to create your own sexy/sleazy image. How does that make us any different from a porn site which ask for age verification?
    I get paid more shooting part time ...... damn, I should find more time to shoot part time

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    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    Let's get back to the basic first.

    In the first place are we going to con't to have these kind of ads/shoots/postings here in CS?

    Is the direction we're going base on allowing the above and than try to restrict it by way of a sub forum which needs age verification?

    If the above 2 answers are "Yes" than I don't see the point.
    Having this kind of Ads/shoots/postings, even with age verification will still make CS to be the place to go to for sexy/sleazy image to oggle at or to create your own sexy/sleazy image. How does that make us any different from a porn site which ask for age verification?
    highly unlikely CS will do away with such shoots.

    here's why, link: http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showp...93&postcount=5

    try saying no to that!! not that i andorse... NRIC cannot? porn site wan is wayang wan- no teeth.

    proper age verification through local authorities will take time & $$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sORe-EyEz View Post
    highly unlikely CS will do away with such shoots.

    here's why, link: http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showp...93&postcount=5

    try saying no to that!! not that i andorse... NRIC cannot? porn site wan is wayang wan- no teeth.

    proper age verification through local authorities will take time & $$.
    I don't think that will stand in the way of the Mods/Admin in wanting to keep CS in the direction they want. The amount of coroperate $$$ in advertising, goodwill as well as the image of CS is worth much more.
    I get paid more shooting part time ...... damn, I should find more time to shoot part time

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    i thinkkkk. if you section that area off and call it taboo, its just going to further make this situation worse. just my opinion.

    its like how a movie is just a movie until you put an RA rating on it. people's interest will be increased and they will do what they can to get into it, just because its RA. and if you section that area off and sanction such activities, i think the titles and themes of the photoshoots are just make that area a 'little sammyboy' or 'sammyboy village' within clubsnap itself.

    this has to be a black or white solution. yes, or no. taking the grey will only make things worse.

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    Well ... Looks like something else is also starting ....

    http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430509

    Maybe a tangent thot off this discussion ... maybe something entirely different ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    I don't think that will stand in the way of the Mods/Admin in wanting to keep CS in the direction they want. The amount of coroperate $$$ in advertising, goodwill as well as the image of CS is worth much more.
    i cant say for certain i know wad they want. but judging by the pace of things i think change (for batta or worse) will take some time.

    Quote Originally Posted by pfurr View Post
    i thinkkkk. if you section that area off and call it taboo, its just going to further make this situation worse. just my opinion.

    its like how a movie is just a movie until you put an RA rating on it. people's interest will be increased and they will do what they can to get into it, just because its RA. and if you section that area off and sanction such activities, i think the titles and themes of the photoshoots are just make that area a 'little sammyboy' or 'sammyboy village' within clubsnap itself.

    this has to be a black or white solution. yes, or no. taking the grey will only make things worse.
    yes or no, not up to me. such hardnosed approach may just backfire. an abrupt end may have legal implications, wadever they may be i not sure, as $$ is involved here.

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    aye. i understand the moderator's difficulties but its great that you guys are in dialogue with us. thank you!

    maybe phase it out? or issue a set of guidelines?

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    oh hehe, i just realised youre not a mod. but great you senior members still bother to talk to lowly minions like us.

    we're not worthy! haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfurr View Post
    aye. i understand the moderator's difficulties but its great that you guys are in dialogue with us. thank you!

    maybe phase it out? or issue a set of guidelines?
    not as easy as we all think it is also.... as much as i believe the forum wish to integrate these shoots into the community sometimes... its "hard to police" around you see..

    if this cannot. that cannot. pple will ask "den i join cs for what?"

    well... not that i want to mention names. we have not seen nude shoots for sometime already because the someone who used to organise them was booted out.

    he set up this business somewhere else. and i am sure i've seen some familar names there.

    art or no art. its up to the individual to perceive what is art and what isnt. apparently, if u want to market a fine art shoot, u do it with taste...

    apparently .... someone who never studied fine art. or did his homework marketted fine art photography as if u are selling FHM magazine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfurr View Post
    ... but great you senior members still bother to talk to lowly minions like us.

    we're not worthy! haha

    din see any lowly minions here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennyong View Post
    not as easy as we all think it is also.... as much as i believe the forum wish to integrate these shoots into the community sometimes... its "hard to police" around you see..

    if this cannot. that cannot. pple will ask "den i join cs for what?"

    well... not that i want to mention names. we have not seen nude shoots for sometime already because the someone who used to organise them was booted out.

    he set up this business somewhere else. and i am sure i've seen some familar names there.

    art or no art. its up to the individual to perceive what is art and what isnt. apparently, if u want to market a fine art shoot, u do it with taste...

    apparently .... someone who never studied fine art. or did his homework marketted fine art photography as if u are selling FHM magazine.
    ... but u see e current situation is a sORe-EyE to enough of us that this thread is alive after so many pages.

    for those deemed too young for those babe themed photography, there are Outings/Gathering to join. for those who want everything, grow up loh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennyong View Post
    not as easy as we all think it is also.... as much as i believe the forum wish to integrate these shoots into the community sometimes... its "hard to police" around you see..

    if this cannot. that cannot. pple will ask "den i join cs for what?"
    for photography loh! you want to jack off then go sammyboy la. and i'm sure if they posted their kinky XMM shots there, they sure x1000 respect right?

    Quote Originally Posted by glennyong View Post

    well... not that i want to mention names. we have not seen nude shoots for sometime already because the someone who used to organise them was booted out.

    he set up this business somewhere else. and i am sure i've seen some familar names there.

    art or no art. its up to the individual to perceive what is art and what isnt. apparently, if u want to market a fine art shoot, u do it with taste...

    apparently .... someone who never studied fine art. or did his homework marketted fine art photography as if u are selling FHM magazine.
    and neh! http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430495 nude shoot! isnt that the person who was kinda guilty of posting some really really inappropriate photos in the gallery from earlier pages in the thread?

    and there is a clear difference between artistic nude and soft porn. i'm sure you guys know. dont have to spell it out so clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfurr View Post
    for photography loh! you want to jack off then go sammyboy la. and i'm sure if they posted their kinky XMM shots there, they sure x1000 respect right?



    and neh! http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430495 nude shoot! isnt that the person who was kinda guilty of posting some really really inappropriate photos in the gallery from earlier pages in the thread?

    and there is a clear difference between artistic nude and soft porn. i'm sure you guys know. dont have to spell it out so clearly.
    so where does the line for artistic nude stop and soft porn begins? pls enlighten me. i am very new to photography.


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    You guys are so funny.

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