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    I think this thread should also serve to make models aware of certain situations that are appening with some of the shoot organisers.
    I believe the 2 models involved in the shoots are also featured in CS wth different shoot organisers ....

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    Maybe there's a link between an organiser in CS and in the other forum. Thanks to LTH for pointing it out.

    http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showt...63#post4377263
    http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=420263

    http://www.s g s h o o t.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4040


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    Hmmm... Questionable...
    I am NOT a PROfessional photographer and photography is NOT my hobby

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    Lets put things in perspectives. Advertisers and organisers are but individuals and strangers to us. Do we know how good or bad they are before we know they had been accepted in a forum? No.

    Some of these organisers can be very young individuals, some had no experience in operating a biz. Some are just seventeen, out for some pocket cash generating from forums. They make mistakes just like you and i do.

    I dont find this organizer bad enough to be put in such light. How do we compare him to those goes around cheating people money/studios, approved by owners of some other forums. Tell me which is worse? Yet we see the con artist survive in these forums, appearing between May~Sep time frame each year.

    Chill guys, forums is just a place for entertainment, not our homes...

    While it seems immoral to visit porn sites, tell me, who is a saint? If he is, he's already dead to begin with.

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    maybe our Community Centres can come up with some model shoots? since they oso have photography courses.


    *not that i know wad is the standard of the photography courses...

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    You know.. Sex-crazed people with 1 post in CS can still sign up for shoots...
    Meow!

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    Let us keep in mind what happened the last time when a certain FHM model was involved in a shoot involving some members of Clubsnap. The shoot degenerated from clothed to nude and poses are rather compromising, almost akin to soft porn. The full set of photos appeared in a photo gallery and all these were leaked to the sex forums and are still being circulated now. This incident is widely known by many people.

    The model was devastated as the photographers were apparently people she trusted. Attempts by the photographers to recall all the photos and restrict access proved too late.

    Once photos are placed online after shoots are done, it is a snowball avalanche that no one can stop. The photos can and will be circulated over and over again by people.

    There is this trend in Clubsnap for organisers to do bikini, lingerie and nude shoots. Take a look at the section "Services Wanted" and see how many people are asking for lingerie and nude shoots. Clubsnap seems to be taken for a place to get models for shoots involving very little or no clothes. What is Clubsnap becoming?

    The admin should impose guidelines on the organisers for what is acceptable and not acceptable. Legal aspects must be considered and moral aspects MUST also be considered. How many people wish to see their granddaugthers, daugthers and girlfriends doing lingerie and nude shoots? Clubsnap is a Singapore forum and answerable to Singapore society in general. The reputation of Clubsnap is at stake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirk View Post
    Let us keep in mind what happened the last time when a certain FHM model was involved in a shoot involving some members of Clubsnap. The shoot degenerated from clothed to nude and poses are rather compromising, almost akin to soft porn. The full set of photos appeared in a photo gallery and all these were leaked to the sex forums and are still being circulated now. This incident is widely known by many people.

    The model was devastated as the photographers were apparently people she trusted. Attempts by the photographers to recall all the photos and restrict access proved too late.

    Once photos are placed online after shoots are done, it is a snowball avalanche that no one can stop. The photos can and will be circulated over and over again by people.

    There is this trend in Clubsnap for organisers to do bikini, lingerie and nude shoots. Take a look at the section "Services Wanted" and see how many people are asking for lingerie and nude shoots. Clubsnap seems to be taken for a place to get models for shoots involving very little or no clothes. What is Clubsnap becoming?

    The admin should impose guidelines on the organisers for what is acceptable and not acceptable. Legal aspects must be considered and moral aspects MUST also be considered. How many people wish to see their granddaugthers, daugthers and girlfriends doing lingerie and nude shoots? Clubsnap is a Singapore forum and answerable to Singapore society in general. The reputation of Clubsnap is at stake.
    ts is beginning to sound like a particular someone else who got banned from here a while ago.
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    actually... i went away from CS for a while... only came back a couple of months ago... i must say, the percentage oflingerie/nude/ bikini shoots struck me as being a lot more than when i left...

    having said that, market demand is market demand. but i do think there is a fine line to be drawn between allowing glamour shoots and shoots whose main object is really to allow out and out perving.. with no real care as to the photographic side. it seems to me, that the balance seems to have swung to the latter.

    in this regard, both the shooters and the organisers have something to answer for.

    dont get me wrong, im no prude. and ive done my fair share of such shoots. but this is at the end of the day a respectable forum and i think the moderators should give some thought on this. otherwise, it wil just be known as the forum where people go to to sign up for perv shoots.
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    Got such an incident on a FHM model meh? Strange why I never really saw anything related to this in the forums here. Anyone else knows about this?


    Anyway, I think that the original topic is slowly digressing to what I now believe to be your main issue - that you do not wish to see CS being a place where nude shoots are organised and that you are urging the admins to take a decision on this.

    Not so much as stated in your first post.

    That would be an issue for the admins to consider. Other issues such as posting online, snowballing etc, do not really have much bearing on this decision, because these matters are outside the control or indeed the purview of the forum administrators. These are issues to be worked out between the model/organisers/photographers.

    As for people wishing to see or not see their daughters or granddaughters, again this is not an issue for the forum administrators to consider. These are decisions made by the models themselves and the forum administrators are not part of this decision, nor should they concern themselves with such matters.

    Finally, I do not believe that ClubSNAP is answerable to anyone but the owners themselves.

    I do think you may need to separate what you want the administrators to consider and other unrelated moral issues regarding these shoots. This would better help to focus the discussion and decision process.

    The last thing we want is for a decision to be made based on moralistic reasons which honestly, has no direct bearing on the forum itself. They may be correctly stated and indeed deserve merit, but should be separated from the issue at hand here.

    Quote Originally Posted by kirk View Post
    Let us keep in mind what happened the last time when a certain FHM model was involved in a shoot involving some members of Clubsnap. The shoot degenerated from clothed to nude and poses are rather compromising, almost akin to soft porn. The full set of photos appeared in a photo gallery and all these were leaked to the sex forums and are still being circulated now. This incident is widely known by many people.

    The model was devastated as the photographers were apparently people she trusted. Attempts by the photographers to recall all the photos and restrict access proved too late.

    Once photos are placed online after shoots are done, it is a snowball avalanche that no one can stop. The photos can and will be circulated over and over again by people.

    There is this trend in Clubsnap for organisers to do bikini, lingerie and nude shoots. Take a look at the section "Services Wanted" and see how many people are asking for lingerie and nude shoots. Clubsnap seems to be taken for a place to get models for shoots involving very little or no clothes. What is Clubsnap becoming?

    The admin should impose guidelines on the organisers for what is acceptable and not acceptable. Legal aspects must be considered and moral aspects MUST also be considered. How many people wish to see their granddaugthers, daugthers and girlfriends doing lingerie and nude shoots? Clubsnap is a Singapore forum and answerable to Singapore society in general. The reputation of Clubsnap is at stake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirk View Post
    There is this trend in Clubsnap for organisers to do bikini, lingerie and nude shoots. Take a look at the section "Services Wanted" and see how many people are asking for lingerie and nude shoots. Clubsnap seems to be taken for a place to get models for shoots involving very little or no clothes. What is Clubsnap becoming?

    The admin should impose guidelines on the organisers for what is acceptable and not acceptable. Legal aspects must be considered and moral aspects MUST also be considered. How many people wish to see their granddaugthers, daugthers and girlfriends doing lingerie and nude shoots? Clubsnap is a Singapore forum and answerable to Singapore society in general. The reputation of Clubsnap is at stake.
    fully agree with you, kirk. would like to see more style and less sleaze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Got such an incident on a FHM model meh? Strange why I never really saw anything related to this in the forums here. Anyone else knows about this?
    Have but let's not harp about it. Dragging it up more will make matters worse for the girl. That's why no name was provided.

    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Anyway, I think that the original topic is slowly digressing to what I now believe to be your main issue - that you do not wish to see CS being a place where nude shoots are organised and that you are urging the admins to take a decision on this.

    Not so much as stated in your first post.

    That would be an issue for the admins to consider. Other issues such as posting online, snowballing etc, do not really have much bearing on this decision, because these matters are outside the control or indeed the purview of the forum administrators. These are issues to be worked out between the model/organisers/photographers.

    As for people wishing to see or not see their daughters or granddaughters, again this is not an issue for the forum administrators to consider. These are decisions made by the models themselves and the forum administrators are not part of this decision, nor should they concern themselves with such matters.

    Finally, I do not believe that ClubSNAP is answerable to anyone but the owners themselves.

    I do think you may need to separate what you want the administrators to consider and other unrelated moral issues regarding these shoots. This would better help to focus the discussion and decision process.

    The last thing we want is for a decision to be made based on moralistic reasons which honestly, has no direct bearing on the forum itself. They may be correctly stated and indeed deserve merit, but should be separated from the issue at hand here.

    Yes yes what you say is correct. CS admin should and must control our forum. Otherwise in future there might be more and more shoot organisers trying to recruit people from sex oriented forums. When people join shoots organised from sex forums, what is their mentality when they approach the photography? That is the main contention. Let the CS admin and the models decide themselves.


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    Yes i know who you are talking about and I'm not him.
    funny coz u sound just like him. I agree about the previous comment about more substance and less sleaze but unfortunately that's not what the market wants does it?
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    funny coz u sound just like him. I agree about the previous comment about more substance and less sleaze but unfortunately that's not what the market wants does it?
    Depends lo... male market wants soft porn but Govt bans that.
    Doesn't mean market demand will always win.

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    i agree that there is too much sleaze in the name of photograph. something should be done to curb the supply. if not sooner or later CS will be synonymous with sleaze.

    as in Club Sleaze (CS)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirk View Post
    Depends lo... male market wants soft porn but Govt bans that.
    Doesn't mean market demand will always win.
    funny coz that isn;t what's happening with the market movement right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaren View Post
    fully agree with you, kirk. would like to see more style and less sleaze.


    if the admin of clubsnap sees what clubsnap is being referred to in some other forums, maybe they will understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sORe-EyEz View Post
    as in Club Sleaze (CS)!
    i lurk about hwz sometimes, the standard name for clubsnap there is clubsex. whee!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    funny coz that isn;t what's happening with the market movement right now.
    true lah, some cannot control, therefore need external controls to be in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sORe-EyEz View Post
    true lah, some cannot control, therefore need external controls to be in place.
    but i dun see the sex cops cracking down on this place if its supposedly illegal...anyway ts why don't u elaborate more on the FHM case to lend your cause more credibility?
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