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    Quote Originally Posted by liarliar View Post
    If they are in a row, tell them stay still for a few second. Bring out your tripod and use whatever aperture you want. Just keep ISO at tolerable level, no need flash use slower shutter natural lighting - done.

    You are shooting ppl not wildlife.
    Yeah sure, and when natural lighting casts horrible shadows, you don't use the flash to fill up those shadows, or add a catchlight to your subjects' eyes.

    Well, if it works for you, more power to you. I've just never seen a wedding photographer lug a tripod around 50 tables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liarliar View Post
    If they are in a row, tell them stay still for a few second. Bring out your tripod and use whatever aperture you want. Just keep ISO at tolerable level, no need flash use slower shutter natural lighting - done.

    You are shooting ppl not wildlife.
    have you done this before??

    Quote Originally Posted by calebk View Post
    Yeah sure, and when natural lighting casts horrible shadows, you don't use the flash to fill up those shadows, or add a catchlight to your subjects' eyes.

    Well, if it works for you, more power to you. I've just never seen a wedding photographer lug a tripod around 50 tables.
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    basically, the larger F number( smaller aperture) lower shutter speed, lower ISO, will general better image -- sharpness/color/..../ -- and bigger DOV.

    but it highly depends what you need to have and the condition

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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
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    add me for what?
    Add you then got sparkle in everyone's eyes mah

    Quote Originally Posted by Nenjia View Post
    basically, the larger F number( smaller aperture) lower shutter speed, lower ISO, will general better image -- sharpness/color/..../ -- and bigger DOV.

    but it highly depends what you need to have and the condition
    You mean, DOF (depth of field) right, not DOV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calebk View Post
    Add you then got sparkle in everyone's eyes mah



    You mean, DOF (depth of field) right, not DOV.

    hehe sorry, DOV/FOV is for X-ray heheh, mixed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by calebk View Post
    Yeah sure, and when natural lighting casts horrible shadows, you don't use the flash to fill up those shadows, or add a catchlight to your subjects' eyes.

    Well, if it works for you, more power to you. I've just never seen a wedding photographer lug a tripod around 50 tables.
    One i will do it with a tripod.

    use f2.8 lenses. 11-16? to catch people in a row? after that too dark photo shop lor. if no need tripod just bump up iso, after that post process add the graininess tell the people "i am just being artistic!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by liarliar View Post
    One i will do it with a tripod.

    use f2.8 lenses. 11-16? to catch people in a row? after that too dark photo shop lor. if no need tripod just bump up iso, after that post process add the graininess tell the people "i am just being artistic!".
    shake head....

    you are not only wasting your time, but also wasting other people time to let you take their group photo.
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    photoshop i can make them worth their time.

    *shake the correct head*

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    Quote Originally Posted by liarliar View Post
    photoshop i can make them worth their time.

    *shake the correct head*
    I do not think that the method you suggest is sound and proven.

    you have to be responsible for what you suggest, or else you will mislead others here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liarliar View Post
    One i will do it with a tripod.

    use f2.8 lenses. 11-16? to catch people in a row? after that too dark photo shop lor. if no need tripod just bump up iso, after that post process add the graininess tell the people "i am just being artistic!".
    I sincerely hope you are not one of the photographers that people will come here on CS to complain about. Ridiculous statements, ridiculous technique, ridiculous method to cover your backside.

    If you think Photoshop is for covering your backside, think again. You give a bad name to the digital darkroom.

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    So we have two methods here:

    a) Lug a heavy tripod, demand people stay still for a few seconds and retake if necessary. High grain frm high ISO, lack of sharpness, heavy post processsing needed.
    b) Fire a flash in one way or another. End of story.

    Seriously, does this even warrant a discussion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjhan View Post
    So we have two methods here:

    a) Lug a heavy tripod, demand people stay still for a few seconds and retake if necessary. High grain frm high ISO, lack of sharpness, heavy post processsing needed.
    b) Fire a flash in one way or another. End of story.

    Seriously, does this even warrant a discussion?
    My sentiments exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Hi guys, I've recently went to fren's wedding dinner and shot a few photos. Do you guys mind telling me what f/stop to use when shooting 2-3 persons standing in a row and 5 or more persons standing in 2 rows? Sometimes, i shot in f/4 but it seems that some people is still OOF. But when i shot in f/8, tt is too dark. lol.. and my flash couldn't bounce it as the ceiling is too high. I could have aim the flash straight at them, but what's the minimum f/stop i need to shoot those people? Thanks.
    Try this for easy starters if you don't want to be stress down by the technical calculations.

    Single person portraits, f2.8 (or larger if you use prime lens, f1.4 f1.8, etc)

    Two person portraits intimate, f2.8 still can but make sure you don't frame them near the edges of the photo

    Two persons portraits non-intimate, f4,

    Threes, fours or fives a group, f5.6, again, pack them close to be safe

    Anything bigger else bigger, like tableshots, f8,

    Remember to flash it after f2.8, if ceiling too high use a flash modifier (lightsphere, bounce card, stofen, etc). Ceilings are not very reliable because on location the ceilings may not be just high, but may also be of strange colors, and may even had many layers of strange obstructions like pipes, aircon ducts, hanging decors, etc (think disco).

    Its better to expose the subjects properly though sacrificing the background, than to underexposure everything and photoshopping heavily for hours to save face. Then the non photography friends with their consumer point and shoot compacts will laugh at the photographer with the professional DSLR (you).

    Quote Originally Posted by liarliar View Post
    photoshop i can make them worth their time.

    *shake the correct head*
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    I think I'll follow sjackal's method, easy to remember.
    Thanks bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjackal View Post
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    Haha, didn't I already say something like this on page 1?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Headshotzx View Post
    Here's my take.

    If you're not a strobist kind with at least 1 umbrella, diy a bounce card from www.abetterbouncecard.com.

    If they are standing in line with your plane of focus:
    For single row, use f/4 - 5.6
    For double row, use f/5.6
    For triple row, use f/8
    For anything larger than that, find a higher spot where you are above the group and shoot f/8 - f/11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headshotzx View Post
    Haha, didn't I already say something like this on page 1?
    Opps! Yeah!

    So the idea is sound!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zac08 View Post
    Use this to calculate :

    Online Depth of Field Calculator

    Let's just use a simple set.

    D80 camera
    50mm lens
    f4
    Distance to subjects - 3m

    this is wat you'll get :
    Subject distance 3 m

    Depth of field
    Near limit 2.74 m
    Far limit 3.31 m
    Total 0.57 m

    In front of subject 0.26 m (45%)
    Behind subject 0.31 m (55%)


    Try f8 at the same distance
    and you get this :
    Subject distance 3 m

    Depth of field
    Near limit 2.52 m
    Far limit 3.7 m
    Total 1.17 m

    In front of subject 0.48 m (41%)
    Behind subject 0.7 m (59%)

    Sorry.. Just to interrupt on this discussion for the online DOF calculator. When we input the Focal Length, do we need to take into convert it base on the 1.6 crop factor for a 20D? i.e. If we are using 50mm, do we key in 50mm or we have to key in 80mm?

    Heehee.. newbie here trying to learn a few tricks from the masters :>

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexlim78 View Post
    Sorry.. Just to interrupt on this discussion for the online DOF calculator. When we input the Focal Length, do we need to take into convert it base on the 1.6 crop factor for a 20D? i.e. If we are using 50mm, do we key in 50mm or we have to key in 80mm?

    Heehee.. newbie here trying to learn a few tricks from the masters :>
    If you click the DOF calculator link, you will see the page has an option to select your camera type which already included the magnification into the calculation. Just select 50mm for your case.
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    Thanks for the information

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