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    ................and sling my >5kg studio tripod in front of me. "

    That is a good one. Have something to push the way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by espion View Post
    in other words, do anything but dont get caught; and deter? hardly, only makes you cleverer at evasion and escape tactics.

    There may be better ways to use the huge amount of resources needed to - seemingly in futility - enforce fines.
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    The recent fighting at the stadium showed that we are gracious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yappy View Post
    The recent fighting at the stadium showed that we are gracious?
    if we are truly gracious then some of us wouldn't be comparing the stoppage of the flyer to 9/11
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    if we are truly gracious then some of us wouldn't be comparing the stoppage of the flyer to 9/11
    What's the connection? I see no link in these 2 incidents????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yappy View Post
    What's the connection? I see no link in these 2 incidents????
    http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showp...&postcount=119
    ask me i ask who? here's your shining example of graciousness.
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    a few days back, I saw an ambulance with its sirens going on at full blast, stuck behind traffic. nobody was making an attempt to move over (it was a relatively clear stretch of road by the way. and if you say that the ambulance should weave in and out of traffic, try doing that when you have paramedics at the back trying to stabilise the casualty). I felt very VERY sorry for the casualty inside that vehicle.

    in other countries whose names I shall not mention, the norm behaviour in such circumstances would be to immediately pull over to the next lane. so let's say the ambulance is coming down lane 3. cars from lane 3 will pull over to lane 2, and cars in lane 2 will actually slow down to allow cars from lane 3 to come into their lanes. this happens not just on the freeways (or expressways as they are known in Singapore), but also at traffic light junctions, thereby allowing the emergency vehicle an almost traffic free ride across the junction and to its destination that very much quicker.

    come on Singaporeans. is it that hard to a) get out of the way and b) allow people to get out of the way when an emergency vehicle is roaring down the road behind you? would you want the same to happen to you should you be in that ambulance, in dire need of urgent medical attention? for Pete's sake, a little more human graciousness isn't going to make you any less of a human. it may make you late for your appointment or your Little Nonya show, but at least it wasn't done at the expense of somebody who might be on the verge of dying!
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    Quote Originally Posted by terryansimon View Post
    a few days back, I saw an ambulance with its sirens going on at full blast, stuck behind traffic. nobody was making an attempt to move over (it was a relatively clear stretch of road by the way. and if you say that the ambulance should weave in and out of traffic, try doing that when you have paramedics at the back trying to stabilise the casualty). I felt very VERY sorry for the casualty inside that vehicle.

    in other countries whose names I shall not mention, the norm behaviour in such circumstances would be to immediately pull over to the next lane. so let's say the ambulance is coming down lane 3. cars from lane 3 will pull over to lane 2, and cars in lane 2 will actually slow down to allow cars from lane 3 to come into their lanes. this happens not just on the freeways (or expressways as they are known in Singapore), but also at traffic light junctions, thereby allowing the emergency vehicle an almost traffic free ride across the junction and to its destination that very much quicker.

    come on Singaporeans. is it that hard to a) get out of the way and b) allow people to get out of the way when an emergency vehicle is roaring down the road behind you? would you want the same to happen to you should you be in that ambulance, in dire need of urgent medical attention? for Pete's sake, a little more human graciousness isn't going to make you any less of a human. it may make you late for your appointment or your Little Nonya show, but at least it wasn't done at the expense of somebody who might be on the verge of dying!
    where was this at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by terryansimon View Post
    a few days back, I saw an ambulance with its sirens going on at full blast, stuck behind traffic. nobody was making an attempt to move over (it was a relatively clear stretch of road by the way. and if you say that the ambulance should weave in and out of traffic, try doing that when you have paramedics at the back trying to stabilise the casualty). I felt very VERY sorry for the casualty inside that vehicle.

    in other countries whose names I shall not mention, the norm behaviour in such circumstances would be to immediately pull over to the next lane. so let's say the ambulance is coming down lane 3. cars from lane 3 will pull over to lane 2, and cars in lane 2 will actually slow down to allow cars from lane 3 to come into their lanes. this happens not just on the freeways (or expressways as they are known in Singapore), but also at traffic light junctions, thereby allowing the emergency vehicle an almost traffic free ride across the junction and to its destination that very much quicker.

    come on Singaporeans. is it that hard to a) get out of the way and b) allow people to get out of the way when an emergency vehicle is roaring down the road behind you? would you want the same to happen to you should you be in that ambulance, in dire need of urgent medical attention? for Pete's sake, a little more human graciousness isn't going to make you any less of a human. it may make you late for your appointment or your Little Nonya show, but at least it wasn't done at the expense of somebody who might be on the verge of dying!
    Some of the members of the society had become very self-centered. I use 'some' as last Saturday, I saw a grey-hair man stopped his car and removed a cable drum from the centre of the road. I think the drum might have fallen from a lorry.
    I did not stop and help him and I regretted not doing so!
    We can learn from this gentleman!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    where was this at?
    it was on the CTE heading INTO the city at about 10pm at night. there was barely any traffic at that point of time. I saw it all happening before my very eyes because I was heading down that direction to go onto the PIE. it was a weekday night... can't remember which weekday exactly, but I'm pretty certain it wasn't on any of the public holidays or the eves of it.

    don't get me wrong. I am not exactly the most sainted person around, but I try my utmost best to help people out in their dire moments of need (explains why once I graduate, I am considering doing a second degree in Emergency Medicine). I am not asking my fellow Singaporeans to put their hands/clothes on the line to help defibrillate or stabilise somebody at a trauma scene. I've done that during my time in Australia and not everybody has the stomach for it. but is it really so hard to just get out of the way? whatever happened to "everybody do your part" and all that public service spiel when it comes to being helpful and charitable? are we going to restrict such acts of kindness to tacky celebrities-being-paid-to-put-life-and-limb-in-danger-then-I-will-donate? last I check, moving out of the way for an emergency vehicle is easy, convenient... and not to mention in such economic situations... FREE!

    honestly. folks. I cannot urge people enough. you see an emergency vehicle with lights a blazing and sirens a horning, you get out of the way. you would want the same respect/dignity given to you when it *unfortunately* becomes your turn to be riding in the said vehicle. it's fine if you want to reserve seats with tissue paper, or smoke in certain places... or do things that are so typically Singaporean. but when it comes to the very lives of people who are on the verge of dying, or being seriously hurt... please. a little bit of common sense, graciousness, and dignity goes a absofriginglutely long way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terryansimon View Post
    it was on the CTE heading INTO the city at about 10pm at night. there was barely any traffic at that point of time. I saw it all happening before my very eyes because I was heading down that direction to go onto the PIE. it was a weekday night... can't remember which weekday exactly, but I'm pretty certain it wasn't on any of the public holidays or the eves of it.

    don't get me wrong. I am not exactly the most sainted person around, but I try my utmost best to help people out in their dire moments of need (explains why once I graduate, I am considering doing a second degree in Emergency Medicine). I am not asking my fellow Singaporeans to put their hands/clothes on the line to help defibrillate or stabilise somebody at a trauma scene. I've done that during my time in Australia and not everybody has the stomach for it. but is it really so hard to just get out of the way? whatever happened to "everybody do your part" and all that public service spiel when it comes to being helpful and charitable? are we going to restrict such acts of kindness to tacky celebrities-being-paid-to-put-life-and-limb-in-danger-then-I-will-donate? last I check, moving out of the way for an emergency vehicle is easy, convenient... and not to mention in such economic situations... FREE!

    honestly. folks. I cannot urge people enough. you see an emergency vehicle with lights a blazing and sirens a horning, you get out of the way. you would want the same respect/dignity given to you when it *unfortunately* becomes your turn to be riding in the said vehicle. it's fine if you want to reserve seats with tissue paper, or smoke in certain places... or do things that are so typically Singaporean. but when it comes to the very lives of people who are on the verge of dying, or being seriously hurt... please. a little bit of common sense, graciousness, and dignity goes a absofriginglutely long way.
    well in some countries what the motorists did would be illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    well in some countries what the motorists did would be illegal.
    It might be even illegal here, but does it matter?

    1) Utter contempt of the law is a national sport.
    2) There is no credible attempt at enforcement.

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    Read this thread already very kek sim.... ahhaa.....
    Snap ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by terryansimon View Post
    it was on the CTE heading INTO the city at about 10pm at night. there was barely any traffic at that point of time. I saw it all happening before my very eyes because I was heading down that direction to go onto the PIE. it was a weekday night... can't remember which weekday exactly, but I'm pretty certain it wasn't on any of the public holidays or the eves of it.

    don't get me wrong. I am not exactly the most sainted person around, but I try my utmost best to help people out in their dire moments of need (explains why once I graduate, I am considering doing a second degree in Emergency Medicine). I am not asking my fellow Singaporeans to put their hands/clothes on the line to help defibrillate or stabilise somebody at a trauma scene. I've done that during my time in Australia and not everybody has the stomach for it. but is it really so hard to just get out of the way? whatever happened to "everybody do your part" and all that public service spiel when it comes to being helpful and charitable? are we going to restrict such acts of kindness to tacky celebrities-being-paid-to-put-life-and-limb-in-danger-then-I-will-donate? last I check, moving out of the way for an emergency vehicle is easy, convenient... and not to mention in such economic situations... FREE!

    honestly. folks. I cannot urge people enough. you see an emergency vehicle with lights a blazing and sirens a horning, you get out of the way. you would want the same respect/dignity given to you when it *unfortunately* becomes your turn to be riding in the said vehicle. it's fine if you want to reserve seats with tissue paper, or smoke in certain places... or do things that are so typically Singaporean. but when it comes to the very lives of people who are on the verge of dying, or being seriously hurt... please. a little bit of common sense, graciousness, and dignity goes a absofriginglutely long way.
    Why can't we have a video camera just like the one we have for buses.

    If sense and logic dont work, we need to enforce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianwurn View Post
    Read this thread already very kek sim.... ahhaa.....
    I agreed. Are we not human being?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yappy View Post
    Why can't we have a video camera just like the one we have for buses.

    If sense and logic dont work, we need to enforce.
    there is no will to enforce?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yappy View Post
    Why can't we have a video camera just like the one we have for buses.

    If sense and logic dont work, we need to enforce.
    Quote Originally Posted by sORe-EyEz View Post
    there is no will to enforce?
    The authority ought to look into the issue and not wait until something happened...maybe too late!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziploc View Post
    Haha... same for giving up seat on the bus, especially to the younger generation. Most of the time when I give up my seat to pregnant ladies, I don't even get a smile back, let alone a thank you. It is like you owe the seat to them. So nowadays I tend to give up seat to elder people only.
    That's not a very good thing... I think that pregnant ladies need the seat more than elderly... esp. very near term. I would rather get a seat when i am pregnant than when I am old, if I can choose.

    Giving up your seat to them is your graciousness. They not thanking you is their ungraciousness. Why should you adopt their ungracious attitude just because they were not gracious? If everyone behaves ungraciously just because others were ungracious, then there would only be more and more ungracious behaviour and people emerging!

    You should persist in your gracious acts and if people do not have the basic courtesy to thank you, I think it is not wrong of you to tell them off as they deserve it. I believe they will feel embarassed if in a public transport, you tell them, "Don't you know how to say thank you?" and maybe the next time, they will thank the person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terryansimon View Post
    in other countries whose names I shall not mention, the norm behaviour in such circumstances would be to immediately pull over to the next lane. so let's say the ambulance is coming down lane 3. cars from lane 3 will pull over to lane 2, and cars in lane 2 will actually slow down to allow cars from lane 3 to come into their lanes. this happens not just on the freeways (or expressways as they are known in Singapore), but also at traffic light junctions, thereby allowing the emergency vehicle an almost traffic free ride across the junction and to its destination that very much quicker.
    This is very good and considerate behaviour and should be the proper way on the roads. However here, this type of behaviour is not being communicated, educated, enforced, etc. Of course, you'll think it is common sense and just plain being considerate... but this is what most people here are not used to exercising. People here are used to being brainwashed into a certain behaviour by government campaigns (and even then, many are resistant)... so if they don't see lots of ads everywhere, telling them to behave in a certain way, they don't do it.

    And for all the campaigns and signages that the Singapore govt. puts up... why have they never educated drivers on giving way to ambulances? Oh yeah... if someone dies because other people did not give way to the ambulance, it is not the govt's fault... it is those peoples' fault. But if they do not put up enough "stand behind the yellow line" notices at MRTs and someone dies, it is the govt's fault since transport and MRT is under the govt.
    Sighhhhhh.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by WuffRuff View Post
    This is very good and considerate behaviour and should be the proper way on the roads. However here, this type of behaviour is not being communicated, educated, enforced, etc. Of course, you'll think it is common sense and just plain being considerate... but this is what most people here are not used to exercising. People here are used to being brainwashed into a certain behaviour by government campaigns (and even then, many are resistant)... so if they don't see lots of ads everywhere, telling them to behave in a certain way, they don't do it.

    And for all the campaigns and signages that the Singapore govt. puts up... why have they never educated drivers on giving way to ambulances? Oh yeah... if someone dies because other people did not give way to the ambulance, it is not the govt's fault... it is those peoples' fault. But if they do not put up enough "stand behind the yellow line" notices at MRTs and someone dies, it is the govt's fault since transport and MRT is under the govt.
    Sighhhhhh.......
    I think it is in the highway code before you take your driving licence.

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