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    Quote Originally Posted by cimman View Post
    The aluminum ones are heavier and hence I think will be more stable, vis a vis the carbon fibre ones. In windy conditions, the carbon fibre, given it's light weight might not be as stable as the aluminium ones.

    If the camera is lens heavy, it is front heavy and a heavier tripod is needed to stablize it.
    So, is the carbon fibre tripod worth the expense ?
    First : worth the expense to who? To you, or to the person answering the question? If it is you, only you can tell.

    Next : many tripods have a hook for you to hang your equipment bag to add weight to it when shooting. A book I read some time back suggested bringing a mesh bag and filling it with stones or something heavy from where you're shooting to weigh it down. You can make a light tripod heavy. You cannot make a heavy tripod light.

    Last : If you're using a long lens, they usually come with tripod collars.

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    When it comes to stability, my heavy tripod combo gets my vote!

    When it comes to weight-consciousness, my CF tripod gets my vote.

    When total weight is not an issue, it goes without saying, I love the heavier one much, much more.

    Is a CF tripod worth the $$$ ? Dollar for material, no. But for sheer weight relief, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cimman View Post
    I agree with the overall weight concept. Have to take into account the camera body, lenses, maybe flash, extra batteries, and then the tripod plus the head. If the tripod weighs 2kg, it's going to be a strain.
    And why do you have to carry 5 extra lenses and an extra bodies ... or was it 6.

    All too often, I see photographer dragging all those equipment with them, all sitting in the bad, all not utilised, only purpose is weight.

    Determine what you are shooting, bring only what you need. And if a tripod is needed, bring it. Btw, a good tripod is invaluable.

    The key is only bring what you need, and buy only things you will use. For me, Carbon Fiber is jsut not stable enough, and the ergonomics and usability of the NeoTec wins hands down.!
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    I do put some weight via an S hook to weigh my light carbon fibre tripod and increase the inertia for stability. This is provided if the CF tripod setup in the first place is relatively stiff ( but by itself CF is touted to be stiffer material than other alloys ). Not all CF tripods are made equal. Gitzos are suppose to have very good leg locks. I have not seen any real evidence of good dampening in CF vs aluminium vs other alloys, but I heard that the older wooden ones are best.

    For me I have no stability problems with my CF setup, and I appreciate the every bit of weight saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantcanopy View Post
    I have not seen any real evidence of good dampening in CF vs aluminium vs other alloys, but I heard that the older wooden ones are best.
    Should be easy enough to test - in fact, I think someone did test it, but I can't remember the result. Set up tripod, attach camera, tape a laser pointer along lens barrel, observe laser pointer when you tap on tripod. Might be worthwhile to check how much vibration there is when you trip the shutter as well.

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    guys, you may want to take a look at post #7 of this thread.

    http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=384016

    happy reading, hope it helps.
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    Hi everyone,,,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet View Post
    And why do you have to carry 5 extra lenses and an extra bodies ... or was it 6.

    All too often, I see photographer dragging all those equipment with them, all sitting in the bad, all not utilised, only purpose is weight.

    Determine what you are shooting, bring only what you need. And if a tripod is needed, bring it. Btw, a good tripod is invaluable.

    The key is only bring what you need, and buy only things you will use. For me, Carbon Fiber is jsut not stable enough, and the ergonomics and usability of the NeoTec wins hands down.!
    interesting that you say Carbon Fiber is not stable enough. Urban myth out there is that CF is the one that solves all the problems of weight and stability. Was going to invest in a CF tripod, now not so sure.......maybe get a >2kg aluminium tripod

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    Quote Originally Posted by lennyl View Post
    Should be easy enough to test - in fact, I think someone did test it, but I can't remember the result. Set up tripod, attach camera, tape a laser pointer along lens barrel, observe laser pointer when you tap on tripod. Might be worthwhile to check how much vibration there is when you trip the shutter as well.
    maybe the tripod makers can look into putting dampening materials/fluid in between the walls of the tubes or between the interface of the head and the legs to stop vibrations from travelling through.

    In the audiophile world, there are many, many exotic solutions to stop unwanted vibrations from the source (CD, LP, Amp, speakers etc...) reaching to other parts of the component chain. From spikes to multilayer materials, to active and passive anti vibration devices (ie. vibrates out of phase with the source vibration, thereby canceling the vibrations)

    Even in PC, the vibration reduction concept is there, ie. the silicon grommets between the hard disks and the hard disk cage, the sound absorption materials on the side walls of the casing, power supply isolation to PC casing, etc....

    Don't see this concept in the tripod world, apart from the tripod spikes. There should be vibration reduction/absorbtion features at every interface point ie. camera to plate, plate to clamp, clamp to head, head to tripod, tripod to ground.

    Or......we'll just have the micro 4/3 cameras without the penta prism, thus no mirror slap, and no vibrations.....get the G1 guys.....and that $60 tripod...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cimman View Post
    interesting that you say Carbon Fiber is not stable enough. Urban myth out there is that CF is the one that solves all the problems of weight and stability. Was going to invest in a CF tripod, now not so sure.......maybe get a >2kg aluminium tripod
    If the tripod can take the weight, doesn't the addition of more weight stabilize it?

    Rather than try to describe it, here's the first thing that popped up from Google:

    http://www.ronbigelow.com/articles/w...terfalls-1.htm

    Something to keep in mind. A heavy, rock solid tripod that you're not going to carry often because it is, well, just too heavy, is not going to do anything for your photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cimman View Post
    In the audiophile world...
    There are two differences here.

    For audio, you need better damping because the operation is continuous. Speaker stands, for example, need to damp vibration while speakers are vibrating. For photography, typically for those that require tripods, the actual capture takes up only a very small fraction of time. You can almost always afford to wait for vibration from mirror slap to die away before you open the shutter.

    In audio, there's also a lot of high priced scams. This one is my all time favorite:

    http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/07...lly-overp.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by cimman View Post
    Was going to invest in a CF tripod, now not so sure.......maybe get a >2kg aluminium tripod
    I do not see why CF is actually less stiff a material than aluminium.

    Wood beats CF in terms of dampening. You might wanna consider something along that instead if dampening is of paramount importance and you need absolutely the better ones. I do not think aluminium gives much dampening.

    Either you bring something heavy to stabilise your 35mm, or you can bring a lighter option that meets your needs as well. There issin't any wrong in getting an aluminium one. But if budget is not an issue, how many streets do you want to walk with something heavier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cimman View Post
    they are light and strong and expensive compared to the aluminium ones ?
    The aluminum ones are heavier and hence I think will be more stable, vis a vis the carbon fibre ones. In windy conditions, the carbon fibre, given it's light weight might not be as stable as the aluminium ones.
    If the camera is lens heavy, it is front heavy and a heavier tripod is needed to stablize it.
    So, is the carbon fibre tripod worth the expense ?
    depends how tough are you. If like used to carrying GPMG + FBO or even 0.5 Cal HMG then no issue on the tripod weight for the stability you want. It all comes down to the compromise you are willing to make for your comfort level.

    as for the front heavy unbalance, if you have time can diy yourself a counterweight for it.
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    CF or Aluminum, one other consideration - the strength of the joints. Was a noob then and bought one that 'looks nice', a Giotto but the frame or what ever you call it cannot hold the legs properly, Place the cam on the 3-way pan head, lock everything up but the camera still wobbles on top of the tripod. Even weighing down does not make an difference as it is the design of the tripod and not just the type of material. Go figure...

    Next time gonna blow some money on a Gitzo, ex but its gonna last me several camera upgrades plus peace of mind.
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    Actually tripod is the same as bicycle...

    Ask yourself do u want to have a light or heavy weight bicycle.

    Where by light weight able to give you more cycling distance as for heavy weight will give you less cycling distance...and is heavy to carry around too....

    Same as tripod... carry a heavy weight tripod will slow you down...

    But still is up to you to decided..
    I own a CF tripod carrying around is very easy for me...

    But the BH is kinda heavy so thinking of changing a light weight and solid BH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubber_Duck View Post
    But the BH is kinda heavy so thinking of changing a light weight and solid BH.
    Light weight BH, can consider Gitzo, good and light, can consider Markins. is it cheaper to get markins in tokyo?

    Markins M10 is selling ard SGD560
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    The bike enthusiasts will know the difference betw CF and aluminium / steel very well.
    If i am not wrong, CF is almost better in every aspect except the price.

    Quote Originally Posted by egnaro View Post
    Light weight BH, can consider Gitzo, good and light, can consider Markins. is it cheaper to get markins in tokyo?

    Markins M10 is selling ard SGD560
    Markins is Korean brand not sure if cheaper in Japan though

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    CF worth every penny during travelling

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    Quote Originally Posted by egnaro View Post
    Light weight BH, can consider Gitzo, good and light, can consider Markins. is it cheaper to get markins in tokyo?

    Markins M10 is selling ard SGD560
    Gitzo BH is not that light....
    I’m not too sure how much in Tokyo will check it o ut later.

    Quote Originally Posted by giantcanopy View Post
    The bike enthusiasts will know the difference betw CF and aluminium / steel very well.
    If i am not wrong, CF is almost better in every aspect except the price.

    Yes... my friend own a CF Mt Bike..!!! is super light weight..!!
    and my Alu bike is heavy like hell.....!!!


    Markins is Korean brand not sure if cheaper in Japan though

    Ryan
    Markins is from Korean.....
    Anyway dont really want my baby to sit on a korean brand...
    I'm not a risk taker....

    Anyway thanks for the advice...
    let talk abt CF and Alu tripod... I dont want to hack jet TS thread...
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    just went to Cathay Photo today to check out the CF tripods.
    Gitzo 2541 - $1220
    Manfrotto 190cx3 - $480

    as you can see, the Gitzo is more than twice the price of the Manfrotto. Of course the specs are different, the Gitzo max load is rated 12 kg and the Manfrotto max load is rated 5 Kg.
    However, aside from that, when I flick my finger nail on the Manfrotto legs, I could hear the metallic ringing sound, very clearly and it lasts longer. On the Gitzo, the sound is not so high pitch and it lasts much shorter. This shows that the vibration on the Gitzo is better damped compared to the Manfrotto. Both are CF pods, but obviously, not all CF materials are created equal. The Gitzo is not really light at 1.8kg, but the dampening properties are pretty good. So that's another factor in CF vs Alu.

    So, yes, the Gitzo is better, but is it worth $1220 ? ah well, is a Gucci bag worth $1000 ? only you can answer that.

    I've to work on that passive income strategy now.....

    If that didn't work out, maybe aluminum is not too bad........let me work out on those shoulder muscles first...
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