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    Quote Originally Posted by photonew1 View Post
    yes it is very important 4 me.. but i only use it to look at what i'm shooting instead of the viewfinder.. is there a difference btw the dSLR and the compact in looking at wt i'm shooting in the LCD ?


    sorry 4 that mistake
    but i raised it later but 4got 2 edit it
    thx 4 ur notice and hope 2 hear u opinion
    main ways of shooting with dSLR is still thru the VF, the liveview on all dSLR ain't as fast and easy to use than the PnS. If you are not prepare to shoot with optical viewfinder, dSLR is definitely not for you.

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    i cant tell for sure which is the best low light camera
    but the best low light accessory is the tripod

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    Quote Originally Posted by photonew1 View Post
    u r right my words wasnt that clear
    i meant only in comparision btw using a new compact camera instead of dSLR i will go with the dSLR 4 the better pics i will get in general
    i like its fast processing and image quailty and lots of options which i may use

    the main reason that i want to go with the dSLR is the low-light shooting..
    450d doesnt have IS but it's lens has IS
    510 has IS in it's body.. and it is easier 2 use as i heared ( am i right ? )

    i don't know which camera's IS is better.. and which camera is more suitable 4 shooting in low-light conditions without using a tripod
    Instead of jumping on the dslr wagon, have you consider fujifilm F series for compacts?
    It's not only about the lense/body capability but also pictures at high ISO quality.
    I don't know how far you intend to go with photography, maybe it's good to just take a step back.
    just sharing

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    Quote Originally Posted by photonew1 View Post
    u r right my words wasnt that clear
    i meant only in comparision btw using a new compact camera instead of dSLR i will go with the dSLR 4 the better pics i will get in general
    i like its fast processing and image quailty and lots of options which i may use

    the main reason that i want to go with the dSLR is the low-light shooting..
    450d doesnt have IS but it's lens has IS
    510 has IS in it's body.. and it is easier 2 use as i heared ( am i right ? )

    i don't know which camera's IS is better.. and which camera is more suitable 4 shooting in low-light conditions without using a tripod
    Oh that's you meant...
    In general, yes, you may say that dslrs tend to produce images of better quality than pns cams, provided the user knows how to use both. Dslrs perform better at high iso, so for your low-light shooting, it will be helpful.

    About IS, VR, OS.......
    Actually I haven't felt any difficult in using a lens with IS. So if you compare lens stabilisation vs sensor stabilisation, nothing much to talk about ease of use. The lens that comes with 450D has IS, but note not all canon lenses have IS.
    So here is a good thing about sensor stabilisation: you would stabilisation regardless of which lens you use. Saves you money. Can have stabilisation even when you use cheapo lens. The bad thing is, you won't see the stabilisation happening through your viewfinder. You have to rely all the time on liveview, which, really, is not a good thing.
    On the other hand, lenses with stabilisation, yes they tend to be more expensive, but over the years, the technology in stabilisation improves, and you can get a lens in the future, with very powerful stabilisation. You are not restricted to the stabilisation by the sensor.

    I would advice you to get a fast lens rather thn banking on stabilisation all the time, to shoot under low-light conditions. Reason is simple, stabilisation prevents handshake blur. Btw, the heavier the cam, the more likely your hand will tremble. But stabilisation doesn't prevent blur from subjects moving. If you get a lens with big aperture, you get to freeze the motion and more likely get no blur from handshake and subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by photonew1 View Post
    i wont change the lens anyway so it doesn't matter if the IS in the body or in the lens with the camera.. so i only look for the best results and i feel the 450d is more advnaced camera
    Try some other cameras also? I would believe a camera will be 'advanced' if it has many functions and features that can be set manually.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsun View Post
    i cant tell for sure which is the best low light camera
    but the best low light accessory is the tripod
    Yes I agree. Ultimately with stabilisation, your cam's low-light performance will increase by only a little. Tripod is the fool-proof way to get good images in low-light
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sk8te View Post
    Right now... Nikon D700 without a doubt...
    That's a reason why i go into DSLR....

    No matter how great a PnS is, there's still a limit. Which I always push over the limit till my PnS gave up on me and went into heaven.

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    The W35 is a PnS and under low light situation the performance will be similar to most PnS. Maybe you can consider getting a tripod instead. If you want live view with IS and a budget of $600. It will be tough. Most probably you can get a decent prosumer class cam.
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    If you are not prepare to shoot with optical viewfinder, dSLR is definitely not for you.
    why ? what's wrong with looking through the live view instead of using the VF ?

    Redsun
    thx 4 ur advice but i found the tripod is not easy to carry with me instead of the dSLR.. also i hope i get better new options and abilties

    ptwong
    Instead of jumping on the dslr wagon, have you consider fujifilm F series for compacts?
    It's not only about the lense/body capability but also pictures at high ISO quality.
    I don't know how far you intend to go with photography, maybe it's good to just take a step back.
    just sharing
    good point of view
    but does it mean that 450d hasn't good performance as the i will expect ?

    gymak90
    lots of thx for ur great info.
    in fact i wont make use of the less expensive lens when i go with the in-body IS.. as i wont change or buy a new lens
    so the comparison is between the 450d with it's IS kit and the e-510 with it's kit
    which one will give me a better results in indoors/low-light conditions ?


    Ambious
    hope u r engoying using it


    Galdor
    4get about the budget now as i cant calculate it accuratly in $
    The comparison is between the 450d with it's IS kit and the e-510 with it's kit
    which one will give me a better results in indoors/low-light conditions ?
    Last edited by photonew1; 11th September 2008 at 12:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redsun View Post
    i cant tell for sure which is the best low light camera
    but the best low light accessory is the tripod

    Fully agreed with you....... tripod is a must for nightshot regardless whatever cam to use

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    Quote Originally Posted by photonew1 View Post
    Galdor
    4get about the budget now as i cant calculate it accuratly in $
    The comparison is between the 450d with it's IS kit and the e-510 with it's kit
    which one will give me a better results in indoors/low-light conditions ?
    I would consider the Olympus E510/520 or Sony A300/350 instead.
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    With $730 as your budget and u demand for low light photography and low noise without tripod ?
    Allow me to speak the truth legally
    *** NOT POSSIBLE ***

    Illegally, with less than $50 bucks you can get yourself a parang and rob one... kidding..

    Your criteria is in the range of the top end DSLR such as
    Nikon 700, Nikon D3, Canon 5D, Canon 1D mark III, Canon 1Ds mark III

    + either of the lens depending on DX or FF

    Sigma 30mm f/1.4
    Nikon 50mm f/1.4 or f/1.8
    Canon 50mm f/1.4

    I am equipped with Nikon D300 + Sigma 30mm f/1.4
    but that still doesn't means u get good noise free when u need to bum up to near ISO3200 under low light condition with the lens aperture fully open.

    If you have such kind of criteria,
    I will only recommend Nikon D3 + Nikkor 50mm f/1.8
    with not f/1.4 ? Hard to get..... f/1.8 is cheap and good

    With the above setup, you can safely bump up to ISO6400 and freeze the night

    Hence only the words below
    live with the noise or part with your money.
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    The best thing next to sliced bread for low noise night shots! Lightweight, portable and won't burn a hole in your pants.

    However, on the other hand, if you really want to venture into dSLR, be prepared to part with your money - just a dSLR will not guarantee great shots. You also have to overcome the learning curve or you'll be left disappointed. It can turn out to be a long-term hobby or a short-time fad. It's up to you, really. Cheers!
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    ok now we r totally sure that 450d will perfrom better than the oly at hight ISO

    another point
    what about the IS systems ? as i said i will shoot only ppl in the indoors low light conditions WITHOUT A TRIPOD

    which IS system will be better in low-light indoors conditions ?
    Canon 450d + EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Lens
    or
    Olympus Evolt E-510 + 14-42mm f/3.5-5.6 and 40-150mm f/4.0-5.6 Zuiko Lenses

    because of my limitied budget i wont buy new lenses
    Last edited by photonew1; 12th September 2008 at 04:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by photonew1 View Post
    ok now we r totally sure that 450d will perfrom better than the oly at hight ISO

    another point
    what about the IS systems ? as i said i will shoot only ppl in the indoors low light conditions WITHOUT A TRIPOD

    which IS system will be better in low-light indoors conditions ?
    Canon 450d + EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Lens
    or
    Olympus Evolt E-510 + 14-42mm f/3.5-5.6 and 40-150mm f/4.0-5.6 Zuiko Lenses

    because of my limitied budget i wont buy new lenses
    Arghhhhhh...

    Go and read up about basic exposure technique - shutter speed, ISO and aperture. From experience I can tell you, you will be back complaining to us after shooting people without flash and tripod under low light conditions, with those lenses.

    Even if your stabilising system is the best in the world, has it occurred to you that your stabilising system CANNOT stabilise people who are walking around in front of the camera?

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    so wt if i used the bulit-in flash ?
    and i wont shoot walking ppl.. they will be steady..

    which camera with it's kit would be better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by photonew1 View Post
    so wt if i used the bulit-in flash ?
    and i wont shoot walking ppl.. they will be steady..

    which camera with it's kit would be better?
    using flash, ask people to hold still and pose, any camera also can do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by photonew1 View Post
    so wt if i used the bulit-in flash ?
    and i wont shoot walking ppl.. they will be steady..

    which camera with it's kit would be better?
    Any system - Nikon, Canon, Sony, Olympus, Pentax, Panasonic or Samsung will be able to do that. You just need a fast lens (say a 50mm f1.7 or 1.8 which cost about $200) and maybe bump your ISO a little.
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    Arghhhhhh...
    Hahaha. Gonna lose your patience soon eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by photonew1 View Post
    ok now we r totally sure that 450d will perfrom better than the oly at hight ISO

    another point
    what about the IS systems ? as i said i will shoot only ppl in the indoors low light conditions WITHOUT A TRIPOD

    which IS system will be better in low-light indoors conditions ?
    Canon 450d + EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Lens
    or
    Olympus Evolt E-510 + 14-42mm f/3.5-5.6 and 40-150mm f/4.0-5.6 Zuiko Lenses

    because of my limitied budget i wont buy new lenses
    if olympus E510 14-42 + 40-150 meet you budget then get it, for your budget, u get 14-150 focal length... wat u waiting for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropy_h View Post
    Hahaha. Gonna lose your patience soon eh?
    Just ask him to buy the freakin' Wow camera already.

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    Using flash, any camera can do the job just as well. Even my father's no SLR manual focus 28mm yashica camera can perform.
    VR(Nikon), IS(canon) or what so ever stabilizer technology are meant for the camera shaking, not the scene moving. So if you wanna
    freeze the night, either have sufficient light using a strobe or have a fast len with high ISO camera system.
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