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  • Born in Singapore

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  • Did NS

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  • Deemed so by appropriate authorities for reasons of wealth, talent, or others

    6 6.25%
  • Chose to stay

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  • No choice but to stay

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    Default Who is a Singaporean?

    Lets find who we, and others, think we are.

    PS: You can also ask yourself, before you poll, the same question for a Malaysian, Chinese, or further afield, for a USA citizen or a Rwandan or Israeli or, or over time, for a Roman citizen, etc.
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    Default Re: Who is a Singaporean?

    A Singaporean is someone who has a Singapore Story to tell.

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    Default Re: Who is a Singaporean?

    ur 2nd choice - limited only to male

    female how?
    don't have NS.. then cannot be singaporean ar?

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    females must give birth to qualify.

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    Father Singaporean. Mother Malaysian. Born in Selangor'62. Kindergarten in KL. 1969 come here to stay for good with parent. Primary School and Secondary School in Singapore. Saw the birth of the National Stadium and soon the last days of it's existence. Taking my first flight in Singapore at the Paya Lebar Aiport with my latest flight being at the Changi International Airport T2. and soon T3. NS in the Police Force for 2.5 yrs. Made arrests I hoped had made a difference. Summon lots motor vehicles keeping the roads safe or clear. Took part in two National Day Parade march pass. Served my reservist till 40. Partok and broke up with 8 Singaporean ladies. Voted twice in my life before GRC system took away anymore chance of it. Owner of a HDB flat pass down from my dad. Dad passed on in Singapore. Bought all my photography stuff in Singapore. Starting from an FG working my way up to a D70. Cycled almost every part of Singapore watching how the island has changed. From close knit colourful kampung people and culture set in wooden houses to stone cold condos where people drift apart. Witnessed 5 Singapore Presidents come to be. Witnessing founding fathers go from LKY to GCT to LHL. Spanning a period almost as long as Singapore declared independence in 1965. Just some high lights from my humble Singapore story.

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    i personally think the question should be

    "what do you think defines a singaporean"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy888 View Post
    Father Singaporean. Mother Malaysian. Born in Selangor'62. Kindergarten in KL. 1969 come here to stay for good with parent. Primary School and Secondary School in Singapore. Saw the birth of the National Stadium and soon the last days of it's existence. Taking my first flight in Singapore at the Paya Lebar Aiport with my latest flight being at the Changi International Airport T2. and soon T3. NS in the Police Force for 2.5 yrs. Made arrests I hoped had made a difference. Summon lots motor vehicles keeping the roads safe or clear. Took part in two National Day Parade march pass. Served my reservist till 40. Partok and broke up with 8 Singaporean ladies. Voted twice in my life before GRC system took away anymore chance of it. Owner of a HDB flat pass down from my dad. Dad passed on in Singapore. Bought all my photography stuff in Singapore. Starting from an FG working my way up to a D70. Cycled almost every part of Singapore watching how the island has changed. From close knit colourful kampung people and culture set in wooden houses to stone cold condos where people drift apart. Witnessed 5 Singapore Presidents come to be. Witnessing founding fathers go from LKY to GCT to LHL. Spanning a period almost as long as Singapore declared independence in 1965. Just some high lights from my humble Singapore story.
    What a detail!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    i personally think the question should be

    "what do you think defines a singaporean"
    hahahah this seem like more like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupi Guy View Post
    hahahah this seem like more like it.
    having a sense of belonging, rather than just being physically here - what you feel in your heart rather than what you say.

    majority of the people complain that life is hard, but put them in another place, i'd wager most of them would come running back home, like it or not. especially for the older generation.

    it's a mindset really - i think having to give it conditions such as "contribution to society" is really quite artificial at the end of the day. just because one does a lot for a society doesn't signal his loyalty to the society. of course, comparing two people who feel they don't belong (honestly), and comparing the one who contributes to the one that doesn't, i know who i'd choose any day.

    and of course.. i do realise that people change. so a person who was once a singaporean could suddenly not become one by my definition - similarly a person who was not once a singaporean could become one.. and then become not one the next day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    having a sense of belonging, rather than just being physically here - what you feel in your heart rather than what you say.

    majority of the people complain that life is hard, but put them in another place, i'd wager most of them would come running back home, like it or not. especially for the older generation.

    it's a mindset really - i think having to give it conditions such as "contribution to society" is really quite artificial at the end of the day. just because one does a lot for a society doesn't signal his loyalty to the society. of course, comparing two people who feel they don't belong (honestly), and comparing the one who contributes to the one that doesn't, i know who i'd choose any day.

    and of course.. i do realise that people change. so a person who was once a singaporean could suddenly not become one by my definition - similarly a person who was not once a singaporean could become one.. and then become not one the next day.
    ya, i know what you mean. Recently i went visit my friends and something i have learn where cant find it in singapore. My friends share with me this "I love my country, but my country dont love me" hahahahaha Then another one say, "I love my country but my country only love our money" so what you guys think?

    And then told me friends, "Mother earth love us, but we dont really love her" hahahahaha

    It just that most of us, just take things for granted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupi Guy View Post
    ya, i know what you mean. Recently i went visit my friends and something i have learn where cant find it in singapore. My friends share with me this "I love my country, but my country dont love me" hahahahaha Then another one say, "I love my country but my country only love our money" so what you guys think?

    And then told me friends, "Mother earth love us, but we dont really love her" hahahahaha

    It just that most of us, just take things for granted.

    Aiya...talk till the cow come home...at the end of the day ...no need to think so deep and trying to be too clever about it. Whether you hate it here or not..or if you flip flop...at the end of the day..think of what you have been doing here and think how long you have been doing it compared to how much and long you have done it oversea and in the end ...where are you standing now. Sometime being Singaporean is just not about how much you archive or not archieve or born here but where you standing right now and how long it has been. Getting a passport will not earn you that nor will you ever get a good sense of what my life is like being a Singapore for 10 yrs, 20 yrs or more.

    Ask yourelf why you choose to stand here so long? Even those who kow beh kow bu about govt and all that...at the end of the day...where are your feet?...for better or worst....life's tough everywhere. I have spend too much of my life here to just want to up and live else where as much as I would like to... at times. Maybe one day I would but I think it will not come easy if it happens. And not without much sorrow and heartache doing so. Just like some families that may not be the best example of what is a perfect family ...but it is still home...warts and all. Okay I am rambling hehe...it's a bitch of a day for me at the office but well...I am in a ranting mood. heh
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    wah Sammy, u can write ur memoirs liao.

    the issue of S'pore identity have been debated for a long time. as a young nation, it may be too early to have it pinned down. maybe a millenium later den ask mah...

    S'pore is like a child growing up too fast, but in the end a child is a child. there's no way to tell wad it would be like a century from new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy888 View Post
    Father Singaporean. Mother Malaysian. Born in Selangor'62. Kindergarten in KL. 1969 come here to stay for good with parent. Primary School and Secondary School in Singapore. Saw the birth of the National Stadium and soon the last days of it's existence. Taking my first flight in Singapore at the Paya Lebar Aiport with my latest flight being at the Changi International Airport T2. and soon T3. NS in the Police Force for 2.5 yrs. Made arrests I hoped had made a difference. Summon lots motor vehicles keeping the roads safe or clear. Took part in two National Day Parade march pass. Served my reservist till 40. Partok and broke up with 8 Singaporean ladies. Voted twice in my life before GRC system took away anymore chance of it. Owner of a HDB flat pass down from my dad. Dad passed on in Singapore. Bought all my photography stuff in Singapore. Starting from an FG working my way up to a D70. Cycled almost every part of Singapore watching how the island has changed. From close knit colourful kampung people and culture set in wooden houses to stone cold condos where people drift apart. Witnessed 5 Singapore Presidents come to be. Witnessing founding fathers go from LKY to GCT to LHL. Spanning a period almost as long as Singapore declared independence in 1965. Just some high lights from my humble Singapore story.

    WOWWW!!! Very nice write-up

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    Another way to think before you answer: what will you die for Singapore? What of Singapore is worth far more than your life? Is there anything at all?

    Certainly not for the Singaporean values of "kaisu" and "kaisi" and "dont think and dont ask too much" and to everything you don't know, say "Not sure". For Singlish? For chicken rice?

    Again for some they have no choice about it, just like going to NS.

    But for those who chose to stay, which presumably you have at least an alternative, will you make a different choice now if your life is a price to pay? And even if you are willing to give your life what about those you love? Would you send away your family and children at the first hint of trouble?

    Or you chose to stay because its economically optimal and expedient at this point in time? ie the grass just seems greener here at this point in time and you go where there is good grass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy888 View Post
    Father Singaporean. Mother Malaysian. Born in Selangor'62. Kindergarten in KL. 1969 come here to stay for good with parent. Primary School and Secondary School in Singapore. Saw the birth of the National Stadium and soon the last days of it's existence. Taking my first flight in Singapore at the Paya Lebar Aiport with my latest flight being at the Changi International Airport T2. and soon T3. NS in the Police Force for 2.5 yrs. Made arrests I hoped had made a difference. Summon lots motor vehicles keeping the roads safe or clear. Took part in two National Day Parade march pass. Served my reservist till 40. Partok and broke up with 8 Singaporean ladies. Voted twice in my life before GRC system took away anymore chance of it. Owner of a HDB flat pass down from my dad. Dad passed on in Singapore. Bought all my photography stuff in Singapore. Starting from an FG working my way up to a D70. Cycled almost every part of Singapore watching how the island has changed. From close knit colourful kampung people and culture set in wooden houses to stone cold condos where people drift apart. Witnessed 5 Singapore Presidents come to be. Witnessing founding fathers go from LKY to GCT to LHL. Spanning a period almost as long as Singapore declared independence in 1965. Just some high lights from my humble Singapore story.
    So who is a Singaporean?

    If you meet me, would you know?

    If someone meet you, would he/she know?

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    well. i dun think like 1 & am having a hard time blending in. how ah?

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    A Singaporean is someone who chope seats using tissue paper

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    Quote Originally Posted by sORe-EyEz View Post
    well. i dun think like 1 & am having a hard time blending in. how ah?
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    Quote Originally Posted by espion View Post
    So who is a Singaporean?

    If you meet me, would you know?

    If someone meet you, would he/she know?
    I would know just by spending abit of time with or near a Singaporean. ...good and bad heheh..

    When I am in Malaysia or Thailand for example...I can spot a Singaporean easy...problem is most time for the worst of reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy888 View Post
    Try on the new cutting edge Army digital camouflage -uniform lor
    if oni it was this easy. doh.

    strange as i've been living here all my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by espion View Post
    Another way to think before you answer: what will you die for Singapore? What of Singapore is worth far more than your life? Is there anything at all?

    Certainly not for the Singaporean values of "kaisu" and "kaisi" and "dont think and dont ask too much" and to everything you don't know, say "Not sure". For Singlish? For chicken rice?

    Again for some they have no choice about it, just like going to NS.

    But for those who chose to stay, which presumably you have at least an alternative, will you make a different choice now if your life is a price to pay? And even if you are willing to give your life what about those you love? Would you send away your family and children at the first hint of trouble?

    Or you chose to stay because its economically optimal and expedient at this point in time? ie the grass just seems greener here at this point in time and you go where there is good grass.
    Good points...but let's be honest here...life is not that dramatic but more mundane and what makes us Singaporean is more subtle in everyday life among ourselves.. Sure easy to spot by a foreigner but us locals we are so numb with it it just past you by....till something pops out so dramatic that you spot those more then the subtleties ones we "swim" in.

    Hard to explain but you know when you see it or feel it or hear about it. But if you are asked to describe it...you can't! heheh But put you in another country...you can spot one standing out like a sore thumb or eye. (pardon my pun sore-eyez) heeeee

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