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    Smile "Please give PRs a break" in st forum today

    the fight for turf goes on. citizens want more, prs want more too. headaches!

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    And just when you're thinking of leaving the country for greener pastures, MediaCrop gets Fiona Xie to tell you in a new Anthology Series on Channel 5 that stay at home is better.
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    in the letter, the writer is a malaysian citizen whom our govt sponsored her studies in australia. as a result, she is bonded for 6 yrs to work in one of our hospital. come on, you want and got the reward, then, works toward paying them now. nothing is free.

    or else, take up our citizenship.

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    on TV that's called acting, all read script wan how to convince? somemore its paid job.


    the core issues isn't really turf, more like previlege? for the select few who compare our system with another country, why choose Sg? such comparison would be irrelevant, den should locals here compare to locals in another country?

    it was mentioned our passport is highly coverted.


    before this thread gets messy, i think the process of getting citizenship is fast becoming a national laughing stock. where's the pride now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by synapseman View Post
    And just when you're thinking of leaving the country for greener pastures, MediaCrop gets Fiona Xie to tell you in a new Anthology Series on Channel 5 that stay at home is better.
    gee i wonder how that came about...
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    hmm..what is the writer complaining about? become a citizen if she want the same perks as citizens.

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    complaining about 'perks no enough'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reachme2003 View Post
    complaining about 'perks no enough'.
    Doesn't she know that PR isn't "Perks Resident"?

    Even in her own country, only Sons of the Soil have more perks.

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    Default Re: "Please give PRs a break" in st forum today

    maybe a break would do just fine, sans perks?

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    Default Re: "Please give PRs a break" in st forum today

    Quote Originally Posted by sORe-EyEz View Post

    before this thread gets messy, i think the process of getting citizenship is fast becoming a national laughing stock. where's the pride now?
    i think so too. be top photog and you'll get citizenship?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacob View Post
    i think so too. be top photog and you'll get citizenship?
    while its nice to add feathers to our national cap, it makes many average locals rather uneasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sORe-EyEz View Post
    while its nice to add feathers to our national cap, it makes many average locals rather uneasy.
    quite true but what can u do?

    now where is my 'SIN' cap?

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    Default Re: "Please give PRs a break" in st forum today

    can rant oni loh...

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    PRs want more perks? simple. volunteer for NS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckuang View Post
    PRs want more perks? simple. volunteer for NS.
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    Hi guys,

    I hope you know what it means to be a PR here in SIN.

    No doubt that ppl from M'sia, Indo, India, PRC ..... would like to have PR here for easier job seeking. But this security comes with a price as we all know. here are some for your info:

    1) PR's sons (from 2nd generation onwards) regardless of nationality is deem to serve Singapore NS compulsory.

    2) PR contribute CPF same as Singaporean

    3) PR pay full amount for HDB upgrading, that's a huge amount compare to citizen after subsidized paid amount.

    4) PR cannot buy landed property, must apply through MAS for approval.

    5) PR's limited welfare subsidies have been reduced greatly since than as mentioned by the writer.

    Most of the time, ppl who lives away from home country is trying to find a better live or becasue of work. PR is a pass for ease of work and stay. Please mind that, we get our PR because of the company to support prior approval from ICA.

    With only EP or WP, our stay in Sing will be limited and companies have more paperwork in getting non-citizen to work for them. Not to mention the 2 ~ 4 weeks of waiting time for EP, WP approval from the authorities. If EP, WP was the favourable case, M'sia is a good example. insufficient professional and lack of experiences in developing the country.

    However, Aus PR looks more attractive because:

    1) PR could buy property
    2) Upon paying 2 or 3 years of tax, you can enjoy full social welfare

    I hope the 2 points I mentioned were right, they were quoted from my pal who has emigrated there and set up a family there.

    As a PR, we are obliged to follow the LAW and rules of the issuant country. But the citizens should understand that we did not get this eaily and freely. When you live abroad, you will understand too why some Singaporean still keep their citizenship and only opt for PR.

    I am not flaming anybody, but I understand what the writer ment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shorty View Post
    Hi guys,

    I hope you know what it means to be a PR here in SIN.

    No doubt that ppl from M'sia, Indo, India, PRC ..... would like to have PR here for easier job seeking. But this security comes with a price as we all know. here are some for your info:

    1) PR's sons (from 2nd generation onwards) regardless of nationality is deem to serve Singapore NS compulsory.

    2) PR contribute CPF same as Singaporean

    3) PR pay full amount for HDB upgrading, that's a huge amount compare to citizen after subsidized paid amount.

    4) PR cannot buy landed property, must apply through MAS for approval.

    5) PR's limited welfare subsidies have been reduced greatly since than as mentioned by the writer.

    Most of the time, ppl who lives away from home country is trying to find a better live or becasue of work. PR is a pass for ease of work and stay. Please mind that, we get our PR because of the company to support prior approval from ICA.

    With only EP or WP, our stay in Sing will be limited and companies have more paperwork in getting non-citizen to work for them. Not to mention the 2 ~ 4 weeks of waiting time for EP, WP approval from the authorities. If EP, WP was the favourable case, M'sia is a good example. insufficient professional and lack of experiences in developing the country.

    However, Aus PR looks more attractive because:

    1) PR could buy property
    2) Upon paying 2 or 3 years of tax, you can enjoy full social welfare

    I hope the 2 points I mentioned were right, they were quoted from my pal who has emigrated there and set up a family there.

    As a PR, we are obliged to follow the LAW and rules of the issuant country. But the citizens should understand that we did not get this eaily and freely. When you live abroad, you will understand too why some Singaporean still keep their citizenship and only opt for PR.

    I am not flaming anybody, but I understand what the writer ment.
    I think you forgot to mention that most PRs come from countries whose exchange rate means that the Singapore dollar is multiplied a few times in value once converted.

    Most of these PRs buy land and property back home and once they have earned enough, they pack up and leave.

    I think you also forgot to mention that despite PRs paying CPF, they are paid back every single cent of their CPF when they leave for their home and cease their PR status.

    If you are really serious about being a citizen and want to enjoy citizen benefits, I believe it is not hard for you to be a citizen.

    And I think most Singaporeans who are PRs in other countries dont really go asking for even more benefits than they should be getting as Non citizens.....

    End of the day, you guys want the best of both worlds, the security, the high pay and also 100 percent benefits of a citizen but not the responsibility being a Singaporean. In a way are you not pulling a fast one on us? Put yourself in our shoes. We go to your country, earn your money, enjoy your citizen benefits and after earning enough I tell u "thank you for the good time! Bye!" How do you feel? Bad? Well that is how we feel....
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    Quote Originally Posted by shorty View Post
    1) PR's sons (from 2nd generation onwards) regardless of nationality is deem to serve Singapore NS compulsory.
    Actually, by default 1st generation PRs also have to do NS. There are exemptions only for certain PR schemes.

    The real concern of a lot of foreigners is not about "privileges" but about the xenophobia, racism, and knee-jerk mentality displayed towards them by many S'poreans. Like it or not, if someone lives here, he/she is part of society, regardless of citizenship or residence status, and has a stake in it, too. The mantra "shut up or go home" is extremely unfair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aeskywan View Post
    I think you also forgot to mention that despite PRs paying CPF, they are paid back every single cent of their CPF when they leave for their home and cease their PR status.
    I don't think this is quite true. When the PR status is terminated, it doesn't mean that every cent in the CPF is returned.

    To take out every cent, the person must vow that he would never return to Singapore to seek employment.

    However, the person can still go to Singapore as a tourist/visitor.

    Quote Originally Posted by aeskywan
    End of the day, you guys want the best of both worlds, the security, the high pay and also 100 percent benefits of a citizen but not the responsibility being a Singaporean. In a way are you not pulling a fast one on us? Put yourself in our shoes. We go to your country, earn your money, enjoy your citizen benefits and after earning enough I tell u "thank you for the good time! Bye!" How do you feel? Bad? Well that is how we feel....
    End of the day, if all PRs were to terminate their PR status and leave the country, Singapore would come to a standstill. Singapore has no natural resources to depend on, except for human resource. And foreign workers be it expats, PRs, WP holders, EP holders... make the bulk of the workforce in Singapore.

    So, please don't be childish and give that statement of people pulling a fast one on you. I believe if you were to be in their shoes, you'd do the same. We are all asians and the mentality of asians are the same... kiasu and kiasi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mohgui View Post
    I don't think this is quite true. When the PR status is terminated, it doesn't mean that every cent in the CPF is returned.

    To take out every cent, the person must vow that he would never return to Singapore to seek employment.

    However, the person can still go to Singapore as a tourist/visitor.



    End of the day, if all PRs were to terminate their PR status and leave the country, Singapore would come to a standstill. Singapore has no natural resources to depend on, except for human resource. And foreign workers be it expats, PRs, WP holders, EP holders... make the bulk of the workforce in Singapore.

    So, please don't be childish and give that statement of people pulling a fast one on you. I believe if you were to be in their shoes, you'd do the same. We are all asians and the mentality of asians are the same... kiasu and kiasi.

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