this business is lucrative??
i have NEVER seen a photographer on the cover of forbes...
if u want LUCRATIVE, go into oil or something.
of course, this industry can get by, more than get by, but lucrative, no nononnonono way.
unless we have different meanings for the word lucrative.
If an industry is not profitable, there'll be very little interest. That's a fact. And if someone goes into business just for passion (like the dumb old me), then it'll be a rude shock. Yes, I believe it's profitable, but it's really not easy at all, and definitely far less profitable than it seems. Give what has been said in this thread another chance.
Another recent example would be the housing industry in 2006 and 2007 in Singapore. Remember how everyone during that time was rushing to become a housing agent? Very few walked away with a profit and even fewer struck the mother load. Those that did really well were the agents who were already in the industry for a long time before the "gold rush" of the last 2 years.
So many come and goes, so many says he can shoots better, but infact better or what so ever is from clients and bussiness flow.
I always believe, if u are that good, u have already shine already. Many would have know ur name. A sharp knife can't be hidden forever.
I used to look back to what i shoot, be it weddings, commercial, portraits, whatever, and i always comes to one conclusion, it can be better.
When i started, i was arrogant, always tot i can shoot better, now, nah.....one is only good when ppl likes his work, one cannot says he is good, proclaiming itself, i call it self decieving.
Last time i look at someone else's work, i say:'' I can do better.''
But many years pasted, i realised:'' Given the same senario, same subject, i may or may not shoot better.''
Yeah, many professionals work may not be that spectaclar, example people portraits, but given the same situation, u may not be able to deliver.
Photography if it's good money, then i cannot understand why one shd not quit it's full time job and jump in.
Eat breath LIVERPOOL!!!
just1book, no kidding!
I really think some of u guys should retire. what a depressing lot
Shinken, u make a lot of sense. But the general impression i get from these postings is that wedding photography is a business where: "as long as u get paid well, who cares what crap u produce". Sad but people are apparently proud of it.
and the people inside are telling us :" oh no, not as profitable dun come in, it's hard, not very lucrative hahaha" but at the same time they r still happily inside the ring making money out of it.
I have yet to see one post where newcomers are encouraged to come into the market. Know why? it's obvious. U invite your competitor to be your neighbour? spore is a small circle, dun forget.
Take these threads with a pinch of salt. But liked i said, u make a lot of sense in your postings. I will be watching your posts.
The general advice seems to be, it's hard work, pay ok only (but really what is ok?) and it may not be suitable for you. But if you think about it, those descriptions fit any job.
If you're looking for some "kakis" to go out and shoot, and look for some like-minded people here, they'll likely tell you, "Welcome to CS! Come, come, don't shy we all start from some place. Make friends!"
But the moment you express interest in wedding photography, they go, RED ALERT! And give all sorts of reasons to make you feel, "Am I competant enough? Am I Really SURE this business is for me?" And others give ludicrous comparisons like being a photographer won't make you become super rich like some oil tycoons, etc. *roll eyes* Whoever said they want to be that rich from being a wedding photographer?
And yet others will challenge you, like, "How much do you know about wedding photography? I'd like to see some of your works." I dislike such arrogance. It's as if they were born with high and mighty skills, and only they could capture those special moments. Weren't they a baby in photography once too?
Strangely, these very photographers started off somewhere themselves. I've seen a few of their works "evolve" through the years. They also started off posting newbie shots and progressed from there. Even the better known photographers take so-so shots when they started out and before they turn pro. (A handful still take mediocre shots, but due to word-of-mouth, they can maintain their group of client pool.)
So how can anyone say this wedding photography career path is impossible for other newbies? No one is born a genius photographer. Everyone probably started off with photography as a hobby.
So to those interested in weddings, I'd say Go for it. Do your own research. You won't get hold-you-by-the-hand info here, unless you know someone well enough who's willing to mentor you.
Just remember: We all once used to crawl first before we walk. We may be slower, but we'll reach there with determination and self-belief. No one should put you down into realizing your dreams.
Even if it doesn't work out, you know you've tried. The worst that can ever happen in your life is to FEAR you cannot make it, but actually you can.
You don't really have to worry about the $16/hour rate. If the client can only pay this much, he will soon find ou the truth when no one want to take up his job due to low pay. This is one reason why i am still sticking to my day job. I can choose who I want to shoot and how much I want to charge.
If they don't want, that's their choice.
I can tell them where to get good prints, but wouldn't be cheap as neighborhood labs, than again, that is their choice.
anyway, serving this type of customers, it will affect your reputation eventually, not about how the final prints will look like.
What got me started on taking wedding as part time is so that I can pay off my equipment. Which I did. All my current equipment has been already paid for.
I do scarifice some personal time doing the shoot and processing them. But I do enjoy al my assignment so far.
One day, I would like to go full time. Seeing Joho and Will03 being able to go overseas and take a vacation and still bringing in money really inspired me.