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    Quote Originally Posted by Nisa View Post
    Cut the costs of running a business in Singapore. Give more tailored help to REAL SMEs and not MNEs.
    no point, cos in the end businesses still need customers to spend. might as well think of ways to drum up business instead.
    have u seen the "light" yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yappy View Post
    So you think that the other leadership will listen to your call?

    there's oni 1 way to find out...
    have u seen the "light" yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sORe-EyEz View Post
    there's oni 1 way to find out...
    U are right... what do you think of the package offered. Any help for the SME etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    Define fairness.

    earn more pay more tax or spend more pay more tax??
    agree, r we taxing income or expense?

    assuming i earn 1k a month n u 10k.
    i spend all, u spend 5k.
    i pay 7% of my income n u 3.5%.

    i never believe that the more u earn, the more u pay,
    but paying more when u earn less?

    jude

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    Quote Originally Posted by bengchiat View Post
    agree, r we taxing income or expense?

    assuming i earn 1k a month n u 10k.
    i spend all, u spend 5k.
    i pay 7% of my income n u 3.5%.

    i never believe that the more u earn, the more u pay,
    but paying more when u earn less?

    jude
    There is never a tax system that makes everybody happy.

    How to distribue wealth equally? How to make ppl pay less tax and at the same time keep a nation going.

    How to be fair? It is fair to tax the rich more or is there a tax system that tax everybody equally?

    Any suggestion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yappy View Post
    U are right... what do you think of the package offered. Any help for the SME etc?
    in the end businesses survive or not depends on demand. if demand is so low, how much can gahmen help. become their customers? den it becomes more of protectionist approach liao.
    have u seen the "light" yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yappy View Post
    It is fair to tax the rich more or is there a tax system that tax everybody equally?

    Any suggestion?
    For once what do you think? instead of asking.. why don't you tell us if using bengchiat's income and purchasing example, you think it is fair?

    ../azul123
    Last edited by azul123; 29th January 2009 at 06:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yappy View Post
    How to distribute wealth equally?
    GST is about distributing wealth??

    how come i dunno...
    have u seen the "light" yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azul123 View Post
    For once what do you think? instead of asking.. why don't you tell us if using bengchiat's income and purchasing example, you think it is fair?

    ../azul123
    "There is never a tax system that makes everybody happy."

    Nobody likes to be taxed. Right?
    Last edited by Yappy; 29th January 2009 at 06:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sORe-EyEz View Post
    GST is about distributing wealth??

    how come i dunno...
    Thank you for getting us back on GST.

    GST is not about distributing wealth. It is about taxing. Nobody likes to be taxed. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yappy View Post
    "There is never a tax system that makes everybody happy."

    Nobody likes to be taxed. Right?
    So above example fair or not fair?

    ../azul123

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    Quote Originally Posted by azul123 View Post
    So above example fair or not fair?

    ../azul123
    Sorry dont catch what you are trying to say.

    Would you like to eloborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yappy View Post
    Sorry dont catch what you are trying to say.

    Would you like to eloborate?
    See bengkiat's example, fair or not fair?

    ../azul123

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    Quote Originally Posted by azul123 View Post
    See bengkiat's example, fair or not fair?

    ../azul123
    " agree, r we taxing income or expense?

    assuming i earn 1k a month n u 10k.
    i spend all, u spend 5k.
    i pay 7% of my income n u 3.5%.

    i never believe that the more u earn, the more u pay,
    but paying more when u earn less?

    jude "

    I assume that you are referring to the above.

    bengkiat is focusing on income tax but here we are looking at GST.

    In that example, I agreed with bengkiat as far as income tax is concern. However, the trouble with ppl is that when the earn more they tend to spend more thus paying more in GST.

    Tax is dynamic. What you have today may not be applicable tomorrow and GST is one of the subsets of the total Tax system.

    I remember one company who reward its Tax controller with a Porsche. U can imagine how much he saved for the company by just advising the company in paying tax.

    Just got to remember, a nation needs tax to run. It will be good if everyone contributes equally and fairly to the running of a nation. But till today, none exist.

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    GST if viewed as a lone entity is rather fair, but there are other things in life that is not.

    a nation needs sufficient tax to run optimally, a person needs sufficient income to live decently.

    the rich have a larger buffer cut back on their more expensive lifestyle choices, the poor has much less leeway to even trim.
    Last edited by sORe-EyEz; 29th January 2009 at 03:44 PM.
    have u seen the "light" yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sORe-EyEz View Post
    GST if viewed as a lone entity is rather fair, but there are other things in life that is not.

    a nation needs sufficient tax to run optimally, a person needs sufficient income to live decently.

    the rich have a larger buffer cut back on their more expensive lifestyle choices, the poor has much less leeway to even trim.
    I am not an economist.

    I also agreed with you. Who does not want to be rich. But it never happen. Life is not all about money, others also contribute to the spice of life.

    Clearly from many divorce cases, ppl are asking for sky high maintenance fee. These are something you cannot imagine.

    As said earlier, a pen is a pen. It can cost from a about a dollor to few thousand dollars but it still does the same job. Is a one-dollar pen Ok for the rich?

    You choose yours but pay for what you had chosen.
    Last edited by Yappy; 30th January 2009 at 07:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacob View Post
    sigh.......buy more diapers must pay more gst. got logic meh?
    Why buy diapers? You find a subsitute. Hybrid car uses both petrol and battery power!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yappy View Post
    As said earlier, a pen is a pen. It can cost from a about a dollor to few thousand dollars but it still does the same job. Is a one-dollar pen Ok for the rich?

    You choose yours but pay for what you had chosen.
    err... i think u mis-understood a point. the point being, how GST 'eats' into a person's disposeable income. the rise in GST is likened to inflation of sorts.

    rich folks can opt for cheaper item, but even the cheapest item now costs more for poor folks with GST included.
    have u seen the "light" yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sORe-EyEz View Post
    err... i think u mis-understood a point. the point being, how GST 'eats' into a person's disposeable income. the rise in GST is likened to inflation of sorts.

    rich folks can opt for cheaper item, but even the cheapest item now costs more for poor folks with GST included.
    Yes you are right. There will never be a tax sytem that make everybody pay equally. Rich can choose to have the $10 haircut and the so calll poor can cut his hair at the up market saloon. It is your choice. However one cannot deny that the rich tend to spend more. So they pay more.

    GST sure eats into everybody disposeable income so do income tax. but can we avoid paying tax. How can we get the rich to pay more and the poor to pay less? I dont know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sORe-EyEz View Post
    in the end businesses survive or not depends on demand. if demand is so low, how much can gahmen help. become their customers? den it becomes more of protectionist approach liao.
    This is something everyone is trying to avoid; protect your own interest!

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