Canon’s DSLR division in trouble

[jacquesvile]

Canon’s DSLR division in trouble

http://www.kareldonk.com/karel/2008/...on-in-trouble/

[doodah]

The writer who calls himself Karel Donk has been dissing Canon high end stuff for quite a while now.

To be honest, I do not know what is going on with Canon's recent releases: from the 50 f/1.2L to 1D1Ds III AF fiasco. These unfortunate mishaps seem to occur one after another. Is this simply bad luck or intentional sabotage? Or perhaps they need to relocate their manufacturing facilities to a site with better 'fengshui'.

But I do agree that Canon should take a leaf from Nikon's book and learn to be more generous with their camera features.

On the other hand, as I look at the price and features of the Nikon D3 vs D700 (+ grip for the latter), I cannot help but wonder if Nikon is merely taking a small step towards eradicating these huge giantic bodies for their high end professional cameras. They must be fully aware that users will flock to the D700 and stop buying the D3.

PS: As for me, I am very happy with my all-Canon gear (from bodies to lenses), and I am just waiting for someone to release an image-stabilized 180 mm macro lens.

[kencfk]

Not so positive remarks coming not only from forums but reviewers. Canon gotta take heart and act upon these issues and strategy.

[diver-hloc]

Originally Posted by doodah PS: As for me, I am very happy with my all-Canon gear (from bodies to lenses), and I am just waiting for someone to release an image-stabilized 180 mm macro lens.

How about IS for the 100mm Macro 1st Even Nikon have a VR model for their 100mm Macro lens

[ferrai]

Originally Posted by doodah To be honest, I do not know what is going on with Canon's recent releases: from the 50 f/1.2L

Whats wrong with the 50 1.2...... I love that lens

[USM]

Originally Posted by diver-hloc How about IS for the 100mm Macro 1st Even Nikon have a VR model for their 100mm Macro lens

Bro, slight correction, it is the AF-S VR 105mm f2.8G Micro, and not 100mm.

[diver-hloc]

Originally Posted by USM Bro, slight correction, it is the AF-S VR 105mm f2.8G Micro, and not 100mm.

Ooh..... thxs.

[Garion]

Originally Posted by kencfk Not so positive remarks coming not only from forums but reviewers. Canon gotta take heart and act upon these issues and strategy.

Not just that...the current Olympics is proof enough. The rows of white lenses used to be a common sight at the Games but not any more. Now it seems more black lenses than white. As one sports pro in a photo magazine put it "The Nikon D3 offers everything the sports photojournalist needs".

Canon is slowly but surely losing vital market ground to Nikon, especially in the pro and advanced amateur sections. Whether the 5D successor can turn the tide around remains to be seen. But I think they would need something more revolutionary than a mere upgrade of the camera specs.

[diver-hloc]

Quote: Not just that...the current Olympics is proof enough. The rows of white lenses used to be a common sight at the Games but not any more. Now it seems more black lenses than white. As one sports pro in a photo magazine put it "The Nikon D3 offers everything the sports photojournalist needs". Canon is slowly but surely losing vital market ground to Nikon, especially in the pro and advanced amateur sections. Whether the 5D successor can turn the tide around remains to be seen. But I think they would need something more revolutionary than a mere upgrade of the camera specs.

But the more interesting question would be - Does it really Matters to the Avg user ??

I'm having little or no problem with my Canon camera & lense..... I'm not a shareholder of Canon shares. If Canon DSLR division was to get 'Burn' alittle.... it might rather be a good wake up call for the Company. There's nothing like good 'O' competition to get New & Better products into the market.

I personally see this as a good thing.

Just my 2-Cents worth

[An drew]

Originally Posted by diver-hloc But the more interesting question would be - Does it really Matters to the Avg user ?? Just my 2-Cents worth

Yes, it matters to me. But I'm below average photographer.

[alternatve]

Originally Posted by diver-hloc But the more interesting question would be - Does it really Matters to the Avg user ?? I'm having little or no problem with my Canon camera & lense..... I'm not a shareholder of Canon shares. If Canon DSLR division was to get 'Burn' alittle.... it might rather be a good wake up call for the Company. There's nothing like good 'O' competition to get New & Better products into the market. I personally see this as a good thing. Just my 2-Cents worth

True, the average user is unaffected... But the pros are the ones buying the 1D series, the 200/2s, the 400/2.8s, in short, the most expensive stuff and bringing in the bulk of the money. More people shifting to Nikon = Less money for Canon = Less money for R&D for lenses/ bodies = all suffer.

Samuel

[Headshotzx]

Originally Posted by alternatve True, the average user is unaffected... But the pros are the ones buying the 1D series, the 200/2s, the 400/2.8s, in short, the most expensive stuff and bringing in the bulk of the money. More people shifting to Nikon = Less money for Canon = Less money for R&D for lenses/ bodies = all suffer. Samuel

Well, most expensive lens to us might not be the most profit per lens to canon. The most profitable lens might probably be the kit lens because it's cheap to produce (thus the low selling price) and it's bundled with the camera bodies, so there are many copies being sold. In the long run, the kit lens profits might be greater than profits from a 600mm lens, for example.

[Kit]

Didn't Nikon had its fair share of equivalent crap when they were taking the beating.......

[charlesleong]

Originally Posted by Headshotzx Well, most expensive lens to us might not be the most profit per lens to canon. The most profitable lens might probably be the kit lens because it's cheap to produce (thus the low selling price) and it's bundled with the camera bodies, so there are many copies being sold. In the long run, the kit lens profits might be greater than profits from a 600mm lens, for example.

that's true. making $100 profit from each kit lens multiplied by 10000000000000 kits is much more lucrative than making $1000 from each 600mm lens multiplied by 1000 lenses, for example.

The other area which is lucrative is the sale of lens hoods. A piece of $0.50 plastic retails for $50? that's a 10000% markup for goodness sake.

[Redsun]

.......i heard that canon's ST-E2 doesnt even come with battery
can anyone confirm?
they dun even bother to give a battery?

[doodah]

Originally Posted by Kit Didn't Nikon had its fair share of equivalent crap when they were taking the beating.......

Point well noted. Most folks seem to have forgotten that.

As for whites vs blacks in Olympics, it's not true that blacks are dominating. In open space sports, Canon is still dominating. Nikon only dominates when it comes to indoor stuff. There are enough photos on the web to prove this. Ultimately, I hope this helps to deliver a wake-up to Canon.

[doodah]

Originally Posted by diver-hloc How about IS for the 100mm Macro 1st Even Nikon have a VR model for their 100mm Macro lens

I don't need IS on 100 mm macro. But I'll like IS on the 180 mm f/3.5L macro. I think Canon should start implementing their highly impressive 5 stop IS (tested by reviewers on the new 200 mm f/2L) on their common lenses for mere mortals.

[Ryany]

Originally Posted by doodah I don't need IS on 100 mm macro. But I'll like IS on the 180 mm f/3.5L macro. I think Canon should start implementing their highly impressive 5 stop IS (tested by reviewers on the new 200 mm f/2L) on their common lenses for mere mortals.

Totally agree. If not start introducing in camera IS... Frankly I wouldn't mind paying more money for that.

[calebk]

Originally Posted by Ryany Totally agree. If not start introducing in camera IS... Frankly I wouldn't mind paying more money for that.

And instantly kill all their IS lenses?

Look at Canon's marketing strategy and you'd realise this wish is nowhere near to becoming a reality. I don't have to be a genius to know that doing something like that would be tantamount to self-destructing more than half of my sales.

[lightice]

IS in their lens has been their marketing strategy since their POV is that it provides the user with IS through the viewfinder. If its built into the sensor its probably gonna only work in live view mode.