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    what a shocker !
    take him to partner gallas instead, not sure if he's still prone to mistakes though...

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    Well that is surprising news for a Thursday morning! Can't say I am too chuffed having to cheer on an ex-Moanchester player but ready the pros and cons by Ian Grant, it does seem to be a sensible move by AW. If Kolo can provide cover as defensive midfielder then it solves one big problem at the moment. The extra height in defence is also welcome as it gives us more strength to defend set-pieces, something that the opposition would see as a good way to score against us.

    Roll on Fulham on Saturday!

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    I hope it's a good move proven by end of the season. Many believed manu has sold us a lemon, but for 750k for the fellow, considered quite ok. Who knows, maybe he will become better than he was at manu, like many others before him. People like thierry henry and dennis bergkamp, both sucked before coming to Arsenal, before and after, big difference.

    If silvy really turns out fantastic, wenger would be one up above fergy, done what fergy could not do, to turn rocks into gold.

    I do hope for another tough anchorman to come in, we definitely need to plug the leaks in defence.
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    I can only dream that he turns out to be another "Sol"... hehehehhe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastwest View Post
    Well that is surprising news for a Thursday morning! Can't say I am too chuffed having to cheer on an ex-Moanchester player but ready the pros and cons by Ian Grant, it does seem to be a sensible move by AW. If Kolo can provide cover as defensive midfielder then it solves one big problem at the moment. The extra height in defence is also welcome as it gives us more strength to defend set-pieces, something that the opposition would see as a good way to score against us.

    Roll on Fulham on Saturday!
    Yeah ... agree on this one ... I always feel if Toure is given a midfield role, he'll be an excellent DM, given that he knows the back four very well, an excellent reader of the game and not forgetting he can bring the ball forward pretty well ...

    However my main concerns are ... how much gas is left in Silvestre's tank and let's say our eventully back four will comprise of a pure french quartet of Sagna, Gallas, Silvestre and Clichy and should all of them be called up for International games (remember there was a time when our back four of Adams, Winterburn, Dixon and Keown featured for England all at the same time) and should injuries happen to them (which usually does) ... oh man ... how are we going to cope given our relatively thin squad?
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    Wow,Kolo Toure becoming defensive midfilder??

    Could this be the "midfield" signing nobody but Wenger has foreseen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahbian View Post
    Wow,Kolo Toure becoming defensive midfilder??

    Could this be the "midfield" signing nobody but Wenger has foreseen?
    this was my initial reaction when i heard the news that Mik is joining Arsenal.. kolo's too good for the bench and the next best place he can fit in is as the DM...

    but AW said that there's gonna be one more surprise signing .. and we all know AW don't usually make such bold statement about signing new players...

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    Seems like Wenger is suggesting the 'surprise' to be either Alonso or Barry ... between the two, I rather have Alonso ... he's great with set-pieces, not shy about taking shots outside the box (we really need someone who can at least get it on target) and will form a great partnership with Fabregas!

    Let's help Liverpool to get their man (Barry) while we get 'their' man (Alonso)!

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    Arsene Wenger: Success - I make it, I won't buy it

    In a rare interview, the Arsenal manager explains his footballing philosophy, recalls the values inherited from his parents – and tells Glenn Moore about the promise he made his wife five years ago

    Saturday, 23 August 2008


    Among the nicknames attached to Arsène Wenger when he arrived at Arsenal, with his stopwatch, studious air, and what Tony Adams called "his boffin's glasses", was Le Professeur. Little did Adams, Paul Merson and company know that, 12 years on, the French academic would be engaged in one of football's most audacious experiments, with their club as the guinea pig.

    When Arsenal committed themselves to moving from Highbury early this decade Wenger decided to embark on a bold, some would say suicidally naïve, venture.

    In a rare interview this week he revealed: "When we decided to build the stadium I wanted to anticipate the possibility of financial restrictions, so I concentrated on youth. I also felt the best way to create an identity with the way we play football, to get players integrated into our culture, with our beliefs, our values, was to get them as young as possible and to develop them together. I felt it would be an interesting experiment to see players grow together with these qualities, and with a love for the club." He pauses, smiles wryly, and adds, "It was an idealistic vision of the world of football."

    This credo, which has never previously been expressed so clearly, has provided Arsenal fans with both delight and frustration. There is pride among supporters at the club's development of young players, and joy at the football they deliver, but there is also frustration at the lack of trophies. The investment in the Emirates was supposed to provide Arsenal with the financial muscle to compete with Chelsea and Manchester United in the transfer market. According to the recently departed director Keith Edelman it has. He said there was £70m available to Wenger. If there is, it sits in the bank, gathering interest. Another transfer window is about to close and Wenger, as usual, looks like roughly breaking even.

    Last week he said he could spend £30m on a player if he wanted to, but he does not need to. Results this season will demonstrate whether that is the case or not, but the reality is Wenger does not want to. This visionary is a stubborn one. The board would clearly give Wenger whatever he asks for, even if it stretched the finances, but the economics graduate will only ask for £30m in extremis. Nor is he about to countenance a £135,000-a-week contract even if Mathieu Flamini and Alexander Hleb have departed for better paid employment elsewhere, and Emmanuel Adebayor was evidently tempted to follow.

    Wenger believes his team are already good enough to win one of his two targets, the Premier League or Champions League, but feels they will not peak for five or six years. "The challenge we face is to keep them together," he admits. "It is very important to meet their needs inside the club, the way we play, the way we behave, with success on the field and in financial rewards. If you can achieve that as a club you can keep them together. I don't feel at our club you have to make any other sacrifice than financial, because all the other aspects are better at our club than anywhere else."

    The financial sacrifice is, however, non-negotiable. "I believe you need a wages structure," says Wenger, "if you want to be fair with everybody, or try to be as fair as possible. You could make the odd exception but you need a logic in the way you pay your players and in the way you structure the whole wages bill. Personally, I don't think it is right to lose £100m and to play football. I feel that the skill of a manager is to do the maximum with the resources he has and try to be successful. I don't believe that [£100m losses] can last a long time, it will not be accepted, not only because it will implode [if the benefactor pulls out]."

    "If you do not balance the books you go bankrupt and die. I could push the club into big debt. I go away with success and the guy who comes after me suffers for five years because he cannot buy a player any more and the club goes down. The guy who comes after me has good players he can work with, he has a healthy financial situation, and he has a club in good shape. That is part of management as well."

    Elite footballers, obviously, already earn more than any normal person can spend but the same applies to stars in the financial world. In football, as in the City, the biggest pay packets are not about spending power.

    "It is more a status thing than the actual money," says Wenger. "The player compares himself to other players he thinks are on the same level, not because of the money, more for the respect for his own quality. That is where meeting their needs comes in. Money is only one fraction of the needs that a player has at a club. On that front you can sometimes accept a small disadvantage knowing that the rest is superior."

    Wenger has done this himself, rejecting offers from clubs such as Real Madrid and Barcelona because he believes his working conditions at Arsenal could not be bettered elsewhere.

    Only Sir Alex Ferguson's tenure at Old Trafford now exceeds Wenger's at Arsenal and, like the Scot, Wenger has steeped himself in, and deliberately abided by, the culture of the club.

    "I feel if you come into a club as manager you have first to work out its specific qualities," Wenger says. "For me Arsenal is a club which tries to respect tradition, style, honesty, fair play. If you come in and behave like a gangster you will not last long. The supporters will be the first ones not happy with that. A club needs values. If a club has no values you go nowhere."

    Wenger's own values come from his parents, Alphonse and Louise, who ran an auberge in the Alsace village of Duttlenheim when the young Arsène was growing up. "Everyone is an extension of their parents," he says. "When you are very young you do not feel that the influence of your parents or your education is decisive. The more you grow into your maturity you realise you feel you are only comfortable with yourself if you are respecting the values you got when you were a kid. It takes you some time to discover that. You feel independent, but when you look back at your life you find that what guides you is the values you got when very young. Then you accept it.

    "A trait of my parents I recognise in me is the belief that you work very hard and you shut up. If you are good someone will see it. You try to do as well as you can and, if you are honest and you work hard, you will be all right."

    We are speaking on an afternoon when Wenger's faith in such natural justice has taken a blow. Together with Cesc Fabregas, Manuel Almunia and Faye White, the captain of Arsenal Ladies, Wenger has been touring the Young Persons Unit at University College Hospital, London. It is a prime example of the facilities developed by the Teenage Cancer Trust, which has been chosen by Arsenal this year to be their club charity. The unit, from which Arsenal's Emirates Stadium is visible, is exclusively for teenagers and Wenger has been taken aback by the sight of so many sick youngsters. Cheerful as many appear in front of the Arsenal party, whose visit hugely overruns such is their popularity, their baldness, the cruel imprint of chemotherapy, reveals their true condition.

    "Personally, it is a shock," says Wenger. "When you are used to seeing teenagers together in good health, to experience them together like this is difficult to take. You do not expect them to be sick.

    "What is very impressive is the team attitude to fight against cancer. The children are brought together, the parents are brought together. What comes out of that unit is, 'Let's fight it together'." Wenger inevitably recognised parallels with the mood in a successful squad, the same sense that, he says, "You can be stronger together."

    Wenger places great store by team spirit; it is one of the benefits he hopes to realise by building a club from the youth ranks. Maintaining it, however, requires a constant vigil.

    "You check that every day that the team is bonded. You try always to make sure it is integrated. It is never guaranteed, and it is very fragile and vulnerable. It can be upset by exterior factors or interior factors and can disintegrate very easily. It is the skill of the manager to always assess it and to address the situation when needed. A team is made of a collection of individuals. Sometimes a few individuals feel they do not need to put their energy into the team as much, and think more about themselves. That quickly has consequences for the team."

    Once Wenger balanced his squad between what he described as "an English block and a French block". Now his squad features 17 nationalities but there is one dominant accent. The French core grew to six leading players with the acquisition of Mikaël Silvestre. Is that a risk? "It is natural the same culture gets together. If you yourself met some English people in Jamaica you will speak to them, you will have dinner together. You cannot fight against that because it is a lost fight. If you have a dinner together you will choose the same kind of food. It is a glue, it is part of you. What you can fight for is to keep the communication going inside the team and make sure this does not go into a clique situation."


    The rest of the long article is here

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    Great post!

    "Success - I make it, I won't buy it"
    Now we have a retort for the fans from the other "sucessful" clubs.

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    Yo yo yo! It's a late kick-off @ Craven Cottage today! Go Gunners!

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    Oh no ... we're 1 goal behind ... come on Gunners ...

    I can't believe it ... Wenger still plays Eboue as a CM ...
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    The passing of arsenal in this match is quite horrible... seems like I'm watching a totally different team.

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    Yeah ... there's totally no rhythm in the gameplay and I felt we're lucky that we didn't lose by a larger margin. I guess the international friendlies have taken a toll on them? Anyway Fulham deserved the win and I hope the team will take this as the wake-up call ...

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    Hope they bounce back for next game, perhaps this a "sort of first loss" for the youngsters
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    Wah lau.. just landed in SG this morning.. maybe I should have stayed away

    The rest of the EPL teams are improving, and even Fulham outspend Arsenal in the past two seasons.

    Their midfield is more experienced and it showed.

    Maybe I should revise my assessment of Fulham and get more of their players in my fantasy team..

    On the bright side; Spurs lost again. So how long can Ramos stay on?

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    denilson last night really CMI....kept giving away the ball. the midfield was non-existent. if not for the defence i think we would have lost by a larger margin

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    What a terrible performance, particularly by the midfield which was pathetic. Denilson in particular showed that he is not really Premiership calibre, Eboue was non-existant in first half and Nasri looked lightweight. Walcott seemed to be unable to do anything forward, neither pass nor run. Very disappointing.

    We looked ok for the last 15 mins with Bentdner on and RVP playing behind front two but it was not enough. It was a sloppy lethargic performance - come on AW - we want better. We deserve better!

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    the central mid paring was horrible until AW took off walcott late in the 2nd half.
    eboue was playing slightly better in RM role than walcott.
    denilson is the not natural answer to the holding midfielder role...

    what a way to lose to another london neighbors...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon_84 View Post
    the central mid paring was horrible until AW took off walcott late in the 2nd half.
    eboue was playing slightly better in RM role than walcott.
    denilson is the not natural answer to the holding midfielder role...

    what a way to lose to another london neighbors...
    denilson.....super inexperienced. we really need cesc back. and real midfielder to back cesc up.

    i think walcott was overanxious. should have been replaced earlier. i think even wilshere would have been better on that day.

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