she is real good
congrats to OUR TEAM! no shame in the silver as our team made the chinese worked for it.
If Life worked on auto mode then manual mode for photography would have never existed.” ― Deeksha Mittal
Well, at least we still see our flag in the Olympic stage. ^^
Hopes for a national holiday...
ahah silver is pretty good too! haha can see no pressure on singapore team to deliver, the very last time out they were giggling and laughing. haha!
Another way to look at it is the FT who leave are usually the 2nd tier FTs. By going to another country, they become 1st tier in that country. By staying in their own country, they remain 2nd tier.
As a 1st tier in a foreign country, they will get to represent the country in games. As a 2nd tier in their home country, they will always be second choice when it comes to representing the home country.
Guess which one would rather be?
who's holding SG flag during opening ceremony?
"the only difference bet SG and US is, perhaps, the way we treat failures and risk-taking."
no, that is not the only difference. the BIGGEST difference is that America is an ideal, it has a dream, it has intangible belief in things beyond dollars and cents. You think people "fight tooth and nail" to get a green card because of $$$ alone? It's because of their soft power in a big part. Coca Cola! Hollywood! The pursuit of Happiness! That sort of thing.
America believes (stupidly or not) in the right of every person to create something for himself. It has belief in the strength of the individual, in democracy and freedom.
People form bonds to countries due to what the country represents to them. It goes beyond dollars and cents.
The US government doesn't look at foreigners with dollars and cents in their eyes only.
They let in people for the strangest reasons, like allowing political asylum to people who are castigated overseas.
The people who immigrate to America work hard because they know no one owes them a living. The government doesn't take care of them.
"if we have to depend on FTs to win, so be it. local born and bred people like us should suck it up and wake up. sorry if this sounds crude, but life sucks."
This is exactly the sort of mentality I hate.
I rather NOT win than to depend on someone else to win. Go play a computer game, why do you think people who use cheat codes to win don't get the same sort of respect that people who played the game properly get?
Sports is NOT an essential part of survival like economics. We should NOT have this vicious "win at all costs" mentality, it will have reprecussions in the future.
Before I go further, let's separate Sports and Economics.
Economics is not equal to a sense of national identity (in this case, the sense of being Singaporean). There are a lot of displaced Haitians who had to leave Haiti due to the absolute mess the country is in. But they retain their national identity strongly. Economics is not equal to a sense of national identity.
"actually, wat you said is contradictory. so you rather have a bunch of loser-locals, than a bunch of can-win 'foreigners' who are willing to fight for SG on the olympic arena?"
I've always felt that sports is about being able to beat your own limits. Maybe you view sports as an either you're a winner or a loser sort of thing, but I feel that if a bunch of locals who have no hope of reaching a finals go there and play their heart out, they deserve our respect and love.
If Michael Phelps dons Singapore colours just for this Olympics and wins us 5 gold medals, I will respect him but in a different way.
Sports on an international stage is not like economics. When people compete for their nation it's a non-violent form of War. What comes into play here is nationhood and loyalty. So let's stop comparing our national survival with a game.
Let me say that I have no qualms about foreigners coming into Singapore, I'm pro-immigration. I've seen the great things that immigration can bring about. Let's not go into the argument about how singapore will not survive without immigration. Economics and Sports are two fields that work differently.
"they carry the pink i/c. that makes them Singaporeans - one of us. period. our forebears were once like them. "
Being SINGAPOREAN goes beyond having a red passport or a pink I/C. those things are just pieces of paper and plastic.
All the money in the world won't buy these intangible bonds of a sense of ownership to one's country.
There comes a point where an immigrant feels a certain bond to the country they immigrated to.I am blessed to have numerous friends who have moved here from other countries and that have developed a sense of kinship with our nation. What I am saying is that this bond-building takes time and experience, it's not just an IC and passport.
Li Jia Wei has done our country proud for many years now and I am proud of her. Feng Tian Wei has done a good job but she's only been in Singapore for a year and a half. I don't care if she has a red passport, it doesn't take a genius to raise an eyebrow when someone who comes in 2007 March gets a Singaporean passport in 2008 January. If she stays on and continues on in Singapore over the years, I will be very happy to have another talented Singaporean in our midst.
You can't buy a sense of national loyalty.
Let me say that this easy citizenship issue works both ways. If our paddlers didn't perform well,even after we've put in millions of taxpayer dollars, we'll be hounding for their blood and asking why we should be spending money on them. Look at how it's like in our local football scene. but our paddlers performed well so suddenly they're our NATIONAL HEROES!!!! Sorry I find this very hypocritical (of us).
I believe that if we are going to have an open IMMIGRANT policy, the IMMIGRANTS who are going to form the next wave of Singaporeans should be given a sense of more acceptance in this society. I'm talking about all types of immigrants, from our maids to the cleaners and service staff, not just the highly paid expats and the elite atheletes.
At this point, most of the foreigners who come here have little to no rights in this country. This is esp evident in the construction industry.
Let's talk about the reprecussions of not believing in our own ability to create our own talents rather than importing it in. This will lead to people constantly believing that we will always have to rely on people from other countries to garner achievements in certain fields.
Many Singaporeans don't believe that born and bred Singaporeans can achieve anything in the international world, esp in areas of sports, innovation, culture. Do you agree with this?
I feel this especially strongly since I'm in the field of the arts and my work revolving around Singaporeans was appreciated by Westerners first before being taken notice of by Singaporeans.
Also, if you want to talk about insular societies, look at Japan. Japan, being so insular that their foreign population is tiny, has an amazing amount of innovation in their history. Even Americans love manga, we follow japanese culture, they excel in certain fields of sports (sure they aren't really 1st place sort of people but they perform very respectably in many sports), and they've developed their own way of dealing with the world.
China itself is still very insular, and I can predict that that insularity is going to continue. And knowing them they can make it happen.
"btw, don't you think both singapore (where you are born) and US (where you work) are better off both because you are a singaporean FT in US?"
A lot of Singaporeans who work overseas end up staying overseas because (this is from my own personal view so it probably is a generalization) we tend to get more respect and appreciation when we're overseas compared to being in Singapore where the only way to get respect is to make a big paycheck. $$$ seems to be a gauge of a person's worth in Singapore.
I'm back in Singapore because I feel strongly enough about Singapore to want to do my part for it.
On another note, our team did an awesome job. Li Jiawei was really something! Kudos to them.
and on a final note, I don't see this as an issue of pro-government or not.
This is an issue of being Singaporean that goes beyond and above the government and our feelings towards the government.
Last edited by mattlock; 17th August 2008 at 11:11 PM.
i totally disagree . As a Singaporean , I am proud to see my country winning a medal . And they players , they did work hard to get this far . So whether they r a true blue Singaporean or a foreign import , I am proud of them because they did really well in the games .
"We lost ah? Just buy over the team that won lor"
Much as your eloquent post had very strongly argued for the benefits of having FTs, you've also berated for the severe need of attention on building on local talents. The quote I chosen strongly reeks of the danger of over-dependence on FTs if there isn't a balancing counter-check on the emphasis on locals.