It's my fault that the TFCD suddenly appeared. The story is this:
*names changed to protect identities- Snowskin is seeking advice on how to deal with a difficult photographer, not to defame him
The photographer was looking for a couple to shoot TFCD. I e-mailed him and said that I have a couple he can shoot. That couple was Snowskin+fiance.
I suggested that if the photos from the couple shoot was nice, it would be nice to display them at their wedding ceremony. Snowskin+fiance, at my suggestion, agreed with me and planned outfits, brought props, etc. (no wedding gown as per a pre-wedding shoot). When Snowskin let slip that they would like to use the photos from the couple shoot for their AD, the photographer wanted to charge. Below is the conversation:
yeah it'l be up there soon (meaning the photos from their couple shoot will be up on his website)...but i hafta charge them a fee if they are
using it for their album during the ROM becoz initially it was for a
couple's TFCD then Snowskin* told me that it was going to be used for
her ROM so i told her that i will shoot for her free...but if she
wants to use it for her ROM she have to pay me for the photos and if
she thinks i am good enuff i will shoot for her ROM too...i'm not sure
if she told you that
So here is how I tried to remedy the situation i.e., a couple wants to use photos from a TFCD couple shoot at their wedding and the photographer sees the opportunity to make money:
Hi Idiot Photographer*,
Correct me if I'm wrong, TFCD means time for CD. This is an exchange of their time, effort, and stuff for your portfolio, for the photos that you will provide. The purpose of a TFCD is for mutual benefit. In this case, the engagement shoot is, in several ways, mutually beneficial: they will receive their engagement photos (for which they must spend their own money in order to make the albums), and you will have stuff for your portfolio as well as free promotion when the couple displays your photos at their ROM.
I can understand if you want to charge them because they will make a profit from the photos, but obviously they will not. This is not a case in which they are buying the copyright from you because it is assumed that you will use the photos to expand your portfolio. (That is what TFCD means.) The only one who will stand to make a profit is you, because when other people see your photos and if they like your photos, they will ask for your business card.
By right, as the shoot was TFCD, the couple is free to do as they wish with the photos because it is a mutual understanding that you will use those photos for your own benefit, e.g. self-promotion.
You most certainly do not "hafta charge them a fee if they are using it for their album". This is an unfair practice. I urge you to reconsider your decision.
I understand wedding practices (my husband is a wedding photographer). If every couple who asks for a TFCD couple shoot ends up using it as their pre-wedding, that means many many money-making opportunities are missed.
It appeared, however, that the photographer treated this TFCD couple shoot exactly like a TFCD shoot- 30+ edited photos (pretty cheesy PS by my standard, but okay with Snowskin) slapped onto a CD and delivered in an untimely fashion.
Ok i get u...and since i promised you to do a TFCD for your friends i will honour my words to you.
Becoz i have discussed with Snowskin* before asking her if she would pay for my service or just shooting for free.
She said she will pay for the photos if she thinks she likes them. So on to continue my service to shoot for her ROM and AD and engaged a very good make up artist who charge her at my price $50 instead of $180.
That is my understanding. Not that i am going back on my words. So i guess there is some misunderstanding somewhere and furthermore she has been seeking advice from you. She was not clear on this issue. So it is not a problem with my integrity.
I did discuss with her about the photoshoot. Telling her i will not charge her for the shoot. But if she likes my photos she can purchase them...and if she doesn't like them then its my own fault for not doing a good job and therefore i wasted everyone's time. She was agreeable. So i will not reason anymore or wish to come up with anymore explanations regarding this...she will have the photos in a CD with my watermark. My promise to you. Fulfilled.
But in future if you are the middle person, please let it be you to discuss the details with me directly or her communicating with me directly. I don't wish to have such trivial misunderstanding mar my reputation. I hope you have my understanding
1) He wanted TFCD couple shoot, I provided him with the couple and stated clearly that they need engagement photos, as in the following exchange between me and the photog:
P.S. Do you need couples to shoot TFCD? I have some friends who need engagement photos.
i dun mind doing TFCD for couples...pls let mi know if their are interested
I told him that the couple needed engagement photos and asked him if he would shoot them TF, he agreed, then he turned around and wanted to charge them.
2) What's the difference between fulfilling a promise to me and fulfilling a promise to them? The photog was advertising for TFCD couple shoots, I saw his advertisement and provided him with Snowskin+fiance, who were aware that money was not to change hands as it was a TFCD shoot.
3) An MUA was not requested. It was just a TFCD couple shoot, like many other CS photogs would do. Why did he spend money on one? He couldn't get a TF MUA?
Anyway, after that experience, I dunno why the TS engaged him for her ROM/AD.
So that's the story behind the sudden appearance of TFCD for those who have asked.