nikon modular camera? or just another rumour?

zenman49 · 26th July 2008

"Nikon D700 is just a distraction, the real surprise is still to come"

Nikon modular camera with insert type interchangeable sensor coming this September?

http://nikonrumors.com/2008/07/24/ni...l-to-come.aspx

chngpe01 · 26th July 2008

Originally Posted by zenman49

"Nikon D700 is just a distraction, the real surprise is still to come"

Nikon modular camera with insert type interchangeable sensor coming this September?

http://nikonrumors.com/2008/07/24/ni...l-to-come.aspx

Want to speculate also not until like this. (not directed at the TS but the article)

Yes modular system is already in the medium format system like the phase one and leaf. The 35mm camera manufacturer will have their prototypes or vapour wares in their R&D and road map. But not in the immediate future.

Nonsense at this stage.

blurrblurr · 26th July 2008

I am not surprise. Technology always surprise us with what it can do. Maybe when film become extinct. You will see Kodak selling CCD or CMOS sensor off the rack.

CYRN · 26th July 2008

reminds me of a PC concept back in the 386 days where it CPU was on one of the card slots that offered upgrade path by just changing the cards.

Apparently, the concept was cool...except that not only the CPU was evolving but the whole system was also changing.

Can already see quite similar trends in the MF cams, not only the sensor changes but also the body are evolving.

zenman49 · 26th July 2008

would be good if we have a option to switch the sensor to fujifilm super CCD or sigma fovenon sensor, just like the digital back in MF.

theRBK · 27th July 2008

Originally Posted by chngpe01

Yes modular system is already in the medium format system like the phase one and leaf. The 35mm camera manufacturer will have their prototypes or vapour wares in their R&D and road map. But not in the immediate future.
Nonsense at this stage.

no what... there's the Leica Module R... unfortunately died a quick death

... although personally I think it was the specific camera system rather than the modularity that killed the idea in this case... with a stronger/more popular camera system, and a built from scratch body rather than adding a digital capture component to a film camera so that communication between systems and electronics of the various parts can function as well as modern integrated DSLRs, don't see why it would not be possible in the coming days... say Photokina (maybe just an announcement if not a prototype)

as for changing the sensor, it would probably be within a particular company's own available set of sensors, so probably no pick and choose cause the chip would still have to have supporting electronics... I don't see anyone going for an open format for a module cause the digital module is gonna be the main money spinner... this seems to be happening as well with medium format where, after the initial seemingly free for all situation, there seems to be a seperation into three main camps going on now: Hassey (with the closed H3 system and the tech know-how absorbed from Imacon and some special sauce from Fujifilm), Leaf/Sinar (with the newish and really cool Hy6/AFi and the new arTec body with the same mount

), Phase One/Mamiya (with their new collaboration on bodies)... so more likely modular would be within a camera company rather than "open standard"... which would probably rule out foveon for the time being and probably Fujifilm sensors as well... although who knows, Fujifilm and Nikon might team up yet...

chngpe01 · 27th July 2008

My point is I am sure they R&D into that, already going on long ago. In fact a few years back there was strong rumour of the prototype going around.

Probably it will move along that direction in the future. When they run out of ideas for the present design and is forced into launching it.

It is a matter of when? why jump to step 10 (and then have to worry about how to move on from there ie step 11 to 15) when you are in still step 5 and have already mapped up your step 6 to 10.

Hence why speculate about this coming online this year, when hardly the 24mp FF D3x(assuming the nomenclature is that) is not being announced.

Hence I find it is nonsensical to speculate at this point. (not nonsensical about the technology)

theRBK · 27th July 2008

in the case of improving camera bodies, I think they have run out of ideas... what else can they do?... in-body VR?... that would cut into lens sales... pivoting or even detachable LCD screen?... maybe... wider dispersion of AF points in FX mode?... but would these justify a new body for a photog?... prob not for most... the modular body could be the last major body innovation left... might as well be the first to do it... but modularity to what extent?... who knows, they might have been inspired by RED and come out with something really smashing and modifiable with diff mounts, diff imaging modules, detachable prisms (anyone miss those?), monochrome optimised processing, IR and UV options, option for a really good EVF for lowlight shooting... don't think it would go so far though... and a modular body would allow them to move their top pro camera to a single model, something they had wanted to do previously... as well as make their top pro body more differentiated from the D700, which is really close in features to the D3 and thus cut into D3 sales... I guess we will know more come Sept...

CYRN · 27th July 2008

Originally Posted by theRBK

in the case of improving camera bodies, I think they have run out of ideas... what else can they do?... in-body VR?... that would cut into lens sales... pivoting or even detachable LCD screen?... maybe... wider dispersion of AF points in FX mode?... but would these justify a new body for a photog?... prob not for most... the modular body could be the last major body innovation left... might as well be the first to do it... but modularity to what extent?... who knows, they might have been inspired by RED and come out with something really smashing and modifiable with diff mounts, diff imaging modules, detachable prisms (anyone miss those?), monochrome optimised processing, IR and UV options, option for a really good EVF for lowlight shooting... don't think it would go so far though... and a modular body would allow them to move their top pro camera to a single model, something they had wanted to do previously... as well as make their top pro body more differentiated from the D700, which is really close in features to the D3 and thus cut into D3 sales... I guess we will know more come Sept...

RED is an excellent concept.

So is their prices

theRBK · 27th July 2008

Originally Posted by CYRN

RED is an excellent concept.

So is their prices

price compared to what

compared to other RAW shooting and/or full 35mm format chipped cameras, its quite affordable actually...

chngpe01 · 27th July 2008

Originally Posted by theRBK

.. I guess we will know more come Sept...

I already know

CYRN · 27th July 2008

Originally Posted by theRBK

price compared to what compared to other RAW shooting and/or full 35mm format chipped cameras, its quite affordable actually...

http://www.red.com/nab/epic

Waiting for a 50MP sensor only.

theRBK · 27th July 2008

Originally Posted by CYRN

http://www.red.com/nab/epic

Waiting for a 50MP sensor only.

you have to wait some more... even epic is only like ~14.7Mpixel (if my calculations are correct)... and that should already have more resolution than 35mm film... for me, Scarlet is good enough... a small video cam that shoots RAW... 3k (~5.3Mpixel) resolution and 180fps bursts... at an affordable (according to speculation) price... coming 1st half 2009

but enough of OT...

CYRN · 27th July 2008

Originally Posted by theRBK

in the case of improving camera bodies, I think they have run out of ideas... what else can they do?... in-body VR?...

Did any cam makers take a look at what the other side are doing?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9999207-1.html

lsisaxon · 28th July 2008

Originally Posted by CYRN

http://www.red.com/nab/epic

Waiting for a 50MP sensor only.

Many lenses are already struggling with 12MP FX.........

CYRN · 28th July 2008

Originally Posted by lsisaxon

Many lenses are already struggling with 12MP FX.........

C , N or R lenses.

lsisaxon · 28th July 2008

Originally Posted by CYRN

C , N or R lenses.

R= Rodenstock?

CYRN · 28th July 2008

Originally Posted by lsisaxon

R= Rodenstock?

http://www.red.com/lenses

theRBK · 28th July 2008

Originally Posted by CYRN

Did any cam makers take a look at what the other side are doing?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9999207-1.html

improvements from the point of view of a pro photographer lah... and no, the often requested coffee machine does not count as improvement

... photogs have enough on their minds without worrying about making coffee for clients or spills on their clothes...

and as for RED, well, who knows, they might make still cameras some day... heard that the founder of the company is into still photography also... as well, people from another forum have stated that A3 prints from a RED ONE capture not too bad... RED EPIC prints could be even better... convergence of still and motion here we come... maybe a camera where changing a module would change a camera from a still to a motion picture camera... don't think I'ld be the only person who has thought of this... enough incentive for Nikon (or anyone) to make a modular camera I think (if they aren't hard at work on this yet)...

lsisaxon · 29th July 2008

Originally Posted by CYRN

http://www.red.com/lenses

I see....

But Red lenses only cover Super 35mm which is slightly smaller than DX format, no?

26th July 2008	#1
zenman49 Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: CCK Posts: 285	nikon modular camera? or just another rumour? "Nikon D700 is just a distraction, the real surprise is still to come" Nikon modular camera with insert type interchangeable sensor coming this September? http://nikonrumors.com/2008/07/24/ni...l-to-come.aspx

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27th July 2008	#7
chngpe01 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 7,466	Re: nikon modular camera? or just another rumour? My point is I am sure they R&D into that, already going on long ago. In fact a few years back there was strong rumour of the prototype going around. Probably it will move along that direction in the future. When they run out of ideas for the present design and is forced into launching it. It is a matter of when? why jump to step 10 (and then have to worry about how to move on from there ie step 11 to 15) when you are in still step 5 and have already mapped up your step 6 to 10. Hence why speculate about this coming online this year, when hardly the 24mp FF D3x(assuming the nomenclature is that) is not being announced. Hence I find it is nonsensical to speculate at this point. (not nonsensical about the technology) __________________ my work I am featured here, in Vol 4 Last edited by chngpe01; 27th July 2008 at 11:43 AM.

27th July 2008	#8
theRBK Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,807	Re: nikon modular camera? or just another rumour? in the case of improving camera bodies, I think they have run out of ideas... what else can they do?... in-body VR?... that would cut into lens sales... pivoting or even detachable LCD screen?... maybe... wider dispersion of AF points in FX mode?... but would these justify a new body for a photog?... prob not for most... the modular body could be the last major body innovation left... might as well be the first to do it... but modularity to what extent?... who knows, they might have been inspired by RED and come out with something really smashing and modifiable with diff mounts, diff imaging modules, detachable prisms (anyone miss those?), monochrome optimised processing, IR and UV options, option for a really good EVF for lowlight shooting... don't think it would go so far though... and a modular body would allow them to move their top pro camera to a single model, something they had wanted to do previously... as well as make their top pro body more differentiated from the D700, which is really close in features to the D3 and thus cut into D3 sales... I guess we will know more come Sept...