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    especially if you always carry your digital cameras and laptop (like me )

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    Border seizures of laptops, cameras get Senate panel's scrutiny
    WASHINGTON U.S. border agents are copying and seizing the contents of laptops, cell phones and digital cameras from U.S. and foreign travelers entering the United States, witnesses told a Senate subcommittee Wednesday.

    The extent of this practice is unknown despite requests to the Department of Homeland Security from the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution and several nonprofit agencies.

    The department also declined to send a representative to the hearing. Subcommittee Chairman Russ Feingold, D-Wis., said Homeland Security had told him that its "preferred" witness was unavailable Wednesday.

    Feingold added that he had submitted written questions about the seizures of electronic data and of some devices to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff in April. Feingold said he's received no reply.

    Chertoff's department provided a written statement that said it wasn't its intention to infringe on Americans' privacy but to protect the country from terrorists and criminals, whose electronic devices can reveal incriminating materials.

    During border searches of laptops, according to the statement, the department's Customs and Border Protection officers have found "jihadist material, information about cyanide and nuclear material, video clips of improvised explosive devices being exploded, pictures of various high-level al-Qaida officials and other material associated with people seeking to do harm to the U.S. and its citizens."

    Jayson Ahern, the deputy commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, signed the statement.

    Some witnesses noted the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco had ruled in a recent child pornography case that federal agents could seize a laptop computer at the border without reasonable suspicion its owner was engaged in illegal activities.

    However, several witnesses said that the ruling, by the most liberal of U.S. appeals courts, didn't end their concerns about Homeland Security's refusal to explain the standards for its searches, how it protects privacy, how the seized material is used and who can see or use it.

    Three nonprofits the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Asian Law Caucus and the Association of Corporate Travel Executives filed a Freedom of Information Act request last year seeking Homeland Security's answers to those questions. They've received none thus far.

    They and other groups consider seizures made without probable cause to be an invasion of privacy that leaves the door open to ethnic and racial profiling.

    Farhana Khera, president of Muslim Advocates, a San Francisco nonprofit, said her group had received complaints from Muslim, Arab and South Asian Americans. She said they also had been questioned about political, religious and personal views.

    Retaining confidential computer files also worries business travelers and companies, said Susan Gurley, executive director of the Association of Corporate Travel Executives, based in Alexandria, Va.
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    van't wait for obama to become prez and shut down homeland security.
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    They seem to be stopping a lot of U.S. citizens to check them first, according to what I've read elsewhere.

    I'd imagine that they have long lines from Mexico, as they also have Border Patrol checkpoints that are quite a bit away from the border. I had a lengthy discussion with one agent in 2006 when I was driving north and west from El Paso, Texas. I guess I look more Mexican than I am.

    You'd better have a back up of everything on the computer, just in case they take it from you.

    Oh, and I'd think that this won't be finished with a new president. Once these people get power, it takes a long time to let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bousozoku View Post
    They seem to be stopping a lot of U.S. citizens to check them first, according to what I've read elsewhere.

    I'd imagine that they have long lines from Mexico, as they also have Border Patrol checkpoints that are quite a bit away from the border. I had a lengthy discussion with one agent in 2006 when I was driving north and west from El Paso, Texas. I guess I look more Mexican than I am.

    You'd better have a back up of everything on the computer, just in case they take it from you.

    Oh, and I'd think that this won't be finished with a new president. Once these people get power, it takes a long time to let it go.
    sez u. the people there are sick and tired of all the lost of their rights thanks to bush and the republicians.
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    So far so good for me..

    Rooting for Obama..

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixie View Post
    So far so good for me..

    Rooting for Obama..
    i wasn't a fan of him but beats having a republican in office again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    sez u. the people there are sick and tired of all the lost of their rights thanks to bush and the republicians.
    They are but some actually feel safer, for whatever reason.

    The thing is that the FBI used to keep files on anyone and everyone. The Department of Homeland Security probably does similar things now.

    In fact, a lot of things are similar to the 1970s. A president from Texas sent troops to fight in a war that was unnecessary. Many people were out of work. Corporate America had more power than private citizens. There was an oil crisis.

    I hope that everything isn't repeated. The Democrat who replaced the Republican was pretty much powerless. The speed limit was artificially dropped. Corporate America was de-regulated in the name of competition that never really happened.

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    Anything will be better than Mr MC. While Republicans have the history of making new bold steps, mostly in conquring other countries, Democrats may actually help to hold the fort stronger and stop all the fighting. At least $ is not spent on MC's "good Lobby friendssss"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bousozoku View Post
    They are but some actually feel safer, for whatever reason.

    The thing is that the FBI used to keep files on anyone and everyone. The Department of Homeland Security probably does similar things now.

    In fact, a lot of things are similar to the 1970s. A president from Texas sent troops to fight in a war that was unnecessary. Many people were out of work. Corporate America had more power than private citizens. There was an oil crisis.

    I hope that everything isn't repeated. The Democrat who replaced the Republican was pretty much powerless. The speed limit was artificially dropped. Corporate America was de-regulated in the name of competition that never really happened.
    obama's already started to buck that trend. annoucning that he wasn't taking money from private donors was the right move to taking money out of politics. Also keep in min with the FBI it was Hoover who spearheaded all that. Once he was gone everything started to crumble and that man had his fair share of enemies. as per your 1970 reference history as we know goes in cycles. the erosion of america is inevitable and china will surpass them. really ironic when you think about it because thanks to bush america became very similar to isolationist imperial china.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixie View Post
    Anything will be better than Mr MC. While Republicans have the history of making new bold steps, mostly in conquring other countries, Democrats may actually help to hold the fort stronger and stop all the fighting. At least $ is not spent on MC's "good Lobby friendssss"
    the republicans represent the old antiquated guard using scare tactics to keep their fragile hold on power and money. the sooner they're gone the better. personally i think they corrupted everything lincoln ever stood for when he founded the republican party.
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    Why not they have a counter at the custom ... "FORMAT YOUR HD HERE FOR FREE"
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    Quote Originally Posted by xia0taizi View Post
    they will go through your digital camera's memory as well.
    u kanna?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    u kanna?
    kenna must say..
    Flight in 12hrs from NY to DC wor.

    but put in luggage also not that safe.

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    I doubt Obama will be any different..... now the key word is Homeland Security.... and that is a very broad statement.... I mean even an preemptive strike (in a blunt way, invasion) can be seen as homeland security.... "you need to strike first at the enemy before they even mobilise"

    Just saw some even more disturbing news today.. US oil experts are claiming that the Arctic is holding 100 billion barrels of oil......... No prizes for guessing where the US carrier fleet is going to be headed to next.....

    Don't they ever learn?? The arctic is one of the last untouched areas on the planet and they want to go build oil pumps and pollute it......

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    obama's already started to buck that trend. annoucning that he wasn't taking money from private donors was the right move to taking money out of politics. Also keep in min with the FBI it was Hoover who spearheaded all that. Once he was gone everything started to crumble and that man had his fair share of enemies. as per your 1970 reference history as we know goes in cycles. the erosion of america is inevitable and china will surpass them. really ironic when you think about it because thanks to bush america became very similar to isolationist imperial china.
    I hope it becomes better but I liken Mr. Obama to Mr. Carter. Jimmy Carter was one of the nicest people you could ever know and he said a lot of nice things and still does, but he was almost completely ineffective. Obama + Clinton is a viable presidency, but any other combination will make things worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by pixie View Post
    kenna must say..
    Flight in 12hrs from NY to DC wor.

    but put in luggage also not that safe.
    Locked luggage may be safe, but the TSA has already had some of their agents arrested for stealing.

    Quote Originally Posted by aeskywan View Post
    I doubt Obama will be any different..... now the key word is Homeland Security.... and that is a very broad statement.... I mean even an preemptive strike (in a blunt way, invasion) can be seen as homeland security.... "you need to strike first at the enemy before they even mobilise"

    Just saw some even more disturbing news today.. US oil experts are claiming that the Arctic is holding 100 billion barrels of oil......... No prizes for guessing where the US carrier fleet is going to be headed to next.....

    Don't they ever learn?? The arctic is one of the last untouched areas on the planet and they want to go build oil pumps and pollute it......
    The Republicans don't care about anything but business. The Democrats care a lot about business also, but they do have other concerns. Unfortunately, most of the American people haven't cared about their government since the war in VietNam killed their sons. However, they care about the price of milk, gasoline, and orange juice and they know that Mr. McCain is more of the same. He's too moderate to change things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aeskywan View Post
    I doubt Obama will be any different..... now the key word is Homeland Security.... and that is a very broad statement.... I mean even an preemptive strike (in a blunt way, invasion) can be seen as homeland security.... "you need to strike first at the enemy before they even mobilise"

    Just saw some even more disturbing news today.. US oil experts are claiming that the Arctic is holding 100 billion barrels of oil......... No prizes for guessing where the US carrier fleet is going to be headed to next.....

    Don't they ever learn?? The arctic is one of the last untouched areas on the planet and they want to go build oil pumps and pollute it......
    that's old news la. the republicans have been wanting to dig in the artic for years liao.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bousozoku View Post
    I hope it becomes better but I liken Mr. Obama to Mr. Carter. Jimmy Carter was one of the nicest people you could ever know and he said a lot of nice things and still does, but he was almost completely ineffective. Obama + Clinton is a viable presidency, but any other combination will make things worse.



    Locked luggage may be safe, but the TSA has already had some of their agents arrested for stealing.



    The Republicans don't care about anything but business. The Democrats care a lot about business also, but they do have other concerns. Unfortunately, most of the American people haven't cared about their government since the war in VietNam killed their sons. However, they care about the price of milk, gasoline, and orange juice and they know that Mr. McCain is more of the same. He's too moderate to change things.
    sorry man no disrespect to the vets of vietnam, but its a distant memory compared to the more timely memory of the iraq bs. so if they want to get mad about their sons being sent to die, Iraq will be the galvanizing point for them. JC was ineffectual for a number of reasons. One of the big reasons why he didn't get reelected was because the economy tanked on his watch and he got blamed for it. But yes i agree Obama is untested as of now so could swing either way. But honestly anyone is better than the cowboy right now. and no the hardcore republicans hate mccain because he is too liberal for them which is why they wanted hilary to win because they knew alot of people would rather vote for mccain than hilary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    sorry man no disrespect to the vets of vietnam, but its a distant memory compared to the more timely memory of the iraq bs. so if they want to get mad about their sons being sent to die, Iraq will be the galvanizing point for them. JC was ineffectual for a number of reasons. One of the big reasons why he didn't get reelected was because the economy tanked on his watch and he got blamed for it. But yes i agree Obama is untested as of now so could swing either way. But honestly anyone is better than the cowboy right now. and no the hardcore republicans hate mccain because he is too liberal for them which is why they wanted hilary to win because they knew alot of people would rather vote for mccain than hilary.
    The big reason Jimmy Carter didn't get re-elected was the situation with the hostages in Iran. Their release was somehow worked behind closed doors so that it would happen after Ronald Reagan took office, engineered by the elder Bush before he became vice president. It was also somehow tied to rebels in Nicaragua and the drug trade and who knows what else.

    In any case, we don't want any more Bushes in office. The younger brother was the governor of the state of Floriduh for a while and it was also depressing. They're talking about his running for president some day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bousozoku View Post
    The big reason Jimmy Carter didn't get re-elected was the situation with the hostages in Iran. Their release was somehow worked behind closed doors so that it would happen after Ronald Reagan took office, engineered by the elder Bush before he became vice president. It was also somehow tied to rebels in Nicaragua and the drug trade and who knows what else.

    In any case, we don't want any more Bushes in office. The younger brother was the governor of the state of Floriduh for a while and it was also depressing. They're talking about his running for president some day.
    Iran Contra was also one of the cogs but not the defining reason. ask any american historian and they will tell you it was a variety of things that went wrong during JC's time that cost him reelection. The irony is is that he was one of the hardest working presidents they've ever had while u see good ole dubya is also taking a vacation.
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