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    I think it's just the way the assessment is being phrased. In short being tactful.

    there are many ways to put across a message.

    from 'ah beng, you are very lazy. pls put in more effort'

    to 'ah beng, i believe you can improve on your result. pls put in more effort'.



    as humans, (applies to kids also), we have different reactions to assessment on ourselves. But in general, people tend to turn defensive when harsh direct words are being put forth. that's when we start to loose our rational judgment and become denial to our shortcomings.

    so i would say, the society has changed and that harsh word are a thing of past. i mean now we dun see hooligan roaming the streets collecting protection money. generally, the standard of communication has progresses due to the fact the society is better educated now.

    therefore, it is natural that such harsh and direct comments are less common now.

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    kids now are real lucky... i always had my fair share of bad comments.... guess they really hated me haha

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    Last time get punished at school, go home and tell parent and get caned somemore.

    nowadays, you tell parents, they shoot complain emails.

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    DM this isn't just prevalent amongst the lower education institutions anymore. Even Uni profs have to kiss their students derriere if they want to make tenure. Which really defeats the purpose of education in my opinion.
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    I kena flying wooden dusters before...damn pain. hahahaha
    Have you got 5 cigars stuffed into your small mouth?

    Have your short pants being pulled and stretched up so that your small ball got squeezed?

    Have you been asked to do a handstand and spread open your legs and lean them on the wall while cold water being poured into your pants?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    Have you got 5 cigars stuffed into your small mouth?

    Have your short pants being pulled and stretched up so that your small ball got squeezed?

    Have you been asked to do a handstand and spread open your legs and lean them on the wall while cold water being poured into your pants?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    Have you got 5 cigars stuffed into your small mouth?

    Have your short pants being pulled and stretched up so that your small ball got squeezed?

    Have you been asked to do a handstand and spread open your legs and lean them on the wall while cold water being poured into your pants?

    Your teacher must be really sadistic or you have been one of the WORSE students ever seen... hahah
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    No need to say "I think so"

    No need to mention "IMO".

    It is TRUE lah.

    No corporal punishment doesn't just mean cannot smack the kid on the bottom (even if he burned down the school). It also means that you cannot hurt his/her self-esteem. Which in turn means, no sarcastic language, no negative remarks.

    But hey, *psst* Here's the secret codebook to what the teacher ACTUALLY means when certain things are written in the report book.

    Very talkative type, cannot shut up - Actively participates in class discussions.
    Always getting into fights - Motivated and self-driven student
    Never pay attention in class, always doing other nonsense, doodling, etc - Has keen eye for detail.
    Lazy like hill - Sets his own standards, which he will always strive to surpass.
    Irritating and very kaypoh - Enthusiastic and helpful student
    Blur like sotong - Has great leadership potential
    Attitude problem - A very confident student
    Dirty, poor personal hygiene - Radiant character

    Of course, nowsadays, the parents also quite smart lah.

    If teacher writes, "Joe is a brilliant young gentleman who never fails to give his best in whatever he does", and then you see the grades all half-past-six kind, you also know something must be wrong, right?

    The report book statements are ALL individually vetted by the P/VP for approval, and if you so much as say something like, "he should put in more effort in his work", it will be a no go.

    (It should be re-phrased as "He will continue to improve if he keeps on working hard".)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    They don't make students to eat chalk anymore?
    Brother, nowsaday where got chalk? Whiteboard markers lah dey. Now you talk to kids about chalk, they all give you blank stare. Last time feed chalk is not tekan. You see, 20-30 years ago, a lot of kids never eat properly, so must give calcium summplements, maaah.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmore View Post
    I think it's just the way the assessment is being phrased. In short being tactful.

    there are many ways to put across a message.

    from 'ah beng, you are very lazy. pls put in more effort'

    to 'ah beng, i believe you can improve on your result. pls put in more effort'.
    The "please put in more effort" part sure won't get approved for printing one. It implies the fella is lazy (which could be the truth). Not say cannot write negative things. No negative connotations are allowed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    Have you got 5 cigars stuffed into your small mouth?

    Have your short pants being pulled and stretched up so that your small ball got squeezed?

    Have you been asked to do a handstand and spread open your legs and lean them on the wall while cold water being poured into your pants?

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    Frequently absent student --> "a student like him is hard to find."

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    Quote Originally Posted by synapseman View Post
    No need to say "I think so"

    No need to mention "IMO".

    It is TRUE lah.

    No corporal punishment doesn't just mean cannot smack the kid on the bottom (even if he burned down the school). It also means that you cannot hurt his/her self-esteem. Which in turn means, no sarcastic language, no negative remarks.

    But hey, *psst* Here's the secret codebook to what the teacher ACTUALLY means when certain things are written in the report book.

    Very talkative type, cannot shut up - Actively participates in class discussions.
    Always getting into fights - Motivated and self-driven student
    Never pay attention in class, always doing other nonsense, doodling, etc - Has keen eye for detail.
    Lazy like hill - Sets his own standards, which he will always strive to surpass.
    Irritating and very kaypoh - Enthusiastic and helpful student
    Blur like sotong - Has great leadership potential
    Attitude problem - A very confident student
    Dirty, poor personal hygiene - Radiant character

    Of course, nowsadays, the parents also quite smart lah.

    If teacher writes, "Joe is a brilliant young gentleman who never fails to give his best in whatever he does", and then you see the grades all half-past-six kind, you also know something must be wrong, right?

    The report book statements are ALL individually vetted by the P/VP for approval, and if you so much as say something like, "he should put in more effort in his work", it will be a no go.

    (It should be re-phrased as "He will continue to improve if he keeps on working hard".)

    The children are our leaders of the future, must protect at all costs, maaah...
    Oh man ... that's like euphemism to the max.

    I don't know ... call me 'old fashioned' in some ways.

    I understand positive encouragement, but I also believe in honesty. To me, the above is like a cover up just to avoid unpleasantnesses, and like any cover up, it involves LYING! And unchecked, that can contribute greatly to atrophy.

    Are you guys saying that the Principals and their veeps actively advocates lying about the performance and progress of a student?

    Whatever happened to 'Honour', 'Honesty' and 'Character'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    DM this isn't just prevalent amongst the lower education institutions anymore. Even Uni profs have to kiss their students derriere if they want to make tenure. Which really defeats the purpose of education in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dream Merchant View Post
    Oh man ... that's like euphemism to the max.

    I don't know ... call me 'old fashioned' in some ways.

    I understand positive encouragement, but I also believe in honesty. To me, the above is like a cover up just to avoid unpleasantnesses, and like any cover up, it involves LYING! And unchecked, that can contribute greatly to atrophy.

    Are you guys saying that the Principals and their veeps actively advocates lying about the performance and progress of a student?

    Whatever happened to 'Honour', 'Honesty' and 'Character'?
    Wah, here must be a bit more careful. Nobody's gonna say what the gahmen is saying. Let's just say that in many cases, the teachers are probably doing so on instruction from management.
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    OK, I edited my post. Could edit yours including the quotation so that no one here or CS is put in an 'uncomfortable' position?

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    interesting and motivating comments, pls add if you have more, pls help the teachers

    Very talkative, cannot shut up -> Actively participates in class discussions.
    Always getting into fights ------> Motivated and self-driven student
    Never pay attention in class, always doing other nonsense, doodling, etc - Has keen eye for detail.
    Lazy like hill -------------------> Sets his own standards, which he will always strive to surpass.
    Irritating and very kaypoh ----->Enthusiastic and helpful student
    Blur like sotong ---------------> Has great leadership potential
    Attitude problem - ------------>A very confident student
    Dirty, poor personal hygiene ---> Radiant character
    Frequently absent student ----> a student like him is hard to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denniskee View Post
    interesting and motivating comments, pls add if you have more, pls help the teachers

    Very talkative, cannot shut up -> Actively participates in class discussions.
    Always getting into fights ------> Motivated and self-driven student
    Never pay attention in class, always doing other nonsense, doodling, etc - Has keen eye for detail.
    Lazy like hill -------------------> Sets his own standards, which he will always strive to surpass.
    Irritating and very kaypoh ----->Enthusiastic and helpful student
    Blur like sotong ---------------> Has great leadership potential
    Attitude problem - ------------>A very confident student
    Dirty, poor personal hygiene ---> Radiant character
    Frequently absent student ----> a student like him is hard to find.



    Likes to fight - Actively participates in team building events

    Like to steal from other students - Entrepreneurial

    Always lies and makes false promises and never keeps them - Has a great future in politics

    Like to peek under the table under female teachers' skirt - A natural explorer

    Steals controlled substances and pharmaceuticals (med students) - Has a natural leaning towards chemistry and medicine

    Extorts money and blackmails students - Grasps complex financial and banking concepts

    Vandalizes school property and damages principal's car - A gifted artist

    Always keng class - Understands the concept of expanding borders and globalisation

    Like to fondle female students behind the canteen - Suited for the medical profession

    Like to fondle the canteen Ah-Soh behind canteen - Natural care and deep concern for the elderly

    Like to fondle male students behind canteen - Possess great sensitivity

    Smokes in school - Takes a keen interest in environmental issues

    Tortures lab animals - Loves to spend quality time with animals

    Always leaves his project team high and dry - Destined for Management roles

    Has sex with cadavers (medical students) - Embraces and explores the unknown

    Has sex with the Principal - AAAAAAAAAAAAA+++++++++++++ student in every field!!!!!

    Refuses to have sex with Principal screaming vulgarities across the entire faculty - Exercises tremendous restraint and exhibits impeccable diplomacy

    Burnt down school - ________________. All the reports and paperwork all went up in flames!


    Common guys, I'm sure you can think up better ones!
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    If you ask for a positive letter of rec from your professor, he/she is allowed to decline. That's as negative as most professors go before risking lawsuits for verbal abuse or discrimination or attacks from angry parents. In the States, most professors practice your mothers' favorite adage: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." And in general, you shouldn't read your letters of rec until you are out of the university.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triazolium View Post
    If you ask for a positive letter of rec from your professor, he/she is allowed to decline. That's as negative as most professors go before risking lawsuits for verbal abuse or discrimination or attacks from angry parents. In the States, most professors practice your mothers' favorite adage: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." And in general, you shouldn't read your letters of rec until you are out of the university.
    When I was in JC, my form tutor wrote a very bad testimonial for me. I threw it away. Many of my friends told me, Wah! How can throw away? Testimonial is VERY important, you know?? But I say no testimonial is better than a bad one (I vaguely remember it to contain "he has been very disappointing in his performance", or something like that.)

    But a few years later, when I needed the testimonial, I just went back to JC, they ask me to write my own, and go and find the Form Tutor and let him sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dream Merchant View Post
    Likes to fight - Actively participates in team building events

    Like to steal from other students - Entrepreneurial

    Always lies and makes false promises and never keeps them - Has a great future in politics

    Like to peek under the table under female teachers' skirt - A natural explorer

    Steals controlled substances and pharmaceuticals (med students) - Has a natural leaning towards chemistry and medicine

    Extorts money and blackmails students - Grasps complex financial and banking concepts

    Vandalizes school property and damages principal's car - A gifted artist

    Always keng class - Understands the concept of expanding borders and globalisation

    Like to fondle female students behind the canteen - Suited for the medical profession

    Like to fondle the canteen Ah-Soh behind canteen - Natural care and deep concern for the elderly

    Like to fondle male students behind canteen - Possess great sensitivity

    Smokes in school - Takes a keen interest in environmental issues

    Tortures lab animals - Loves to spend quality time with animals

    Always leaves his project team high and dry - Destined for Management roles

    Has sex with cadavers (medical students) - Embraces and explores the unknown

    Has sex with the Principal - AAAAAAAAAAAAA+++++++++++++ student in every field!!!!!

    Refuses to have sex with Principal screaming vulgarities across the entire faculty - Exercises tremendous restraint and exhibits impeccable diplomacy

    Burnt down school - ________________. All the reports and paperwork all went up in flames!


    Common guys, I'm sure you can think up better ones!
    The classic one: Always made to stand outside the class - outstanding student.
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