Which is exactly my point. We cannot always say what other people would like to hear, becasue we will never be able to please everyone. Hence, we need to be true to our own thoughts and feelings. Say what we think, not what we think others want to hear.
Hiaz......guys..... just move on.....
Once having a short discussion on how to give and accept C&C with Bluesteel in other forum. I had to agree with him that it is an art to give C&C.
Giving a bad comments is worst than posting up a bad photo. That why i seldom give C&C in CS.
Just like this posting, i can be bombard too by those disagree with me.....
95% of the C&C i receive CS via post or PM is......" What is your setup?"
I just kindly reply them my setup....... sad right....In CS, camera setup is always place above anything else. I just move on too.....
Bro Sion, have a good weekend to you too.
I guess from now on we Clubsnappers shouldn't make any negative comments that may be construed as personal.
-sometimes as models, they need to be abit thick skinned to wear bikini to model.
-as photographers, we need to be able to accept not soo nice comments on our works.
-asking for explanation should not be seen as an act of "baying for blood".
for those photographers who cannot accept not so sweet comments & act soo defensively to not so sweet comments should have pics remain in hard-drive. out of public view.
I can't help but notice that this whole episode is playing out like a political situation in a certain country...
Cannot say lah.
Somebody say something wrong, kena whack jialat jialat until cannot participate in discussion.
Moderators step in to maintain law and order, say this is how we do things here.
Those who speak against the authority gets infraction, the rest keep quiet and life goes on.
I don't know, make a guess??
Saying someone looks like an aunty is short and sharp, and without the accompanying explanation, it can be easily misconstrued. I suppose if one bothers to convey one's thoughts in more appropriate language and develop one's chain of thoughts in the same thread. one can still get one's message across, without sounding too nasty.
Everyone should re-read the part on indemnity and the disclaimer.... live and let live.
This has taken too much of everyone's precious time.... Let's all have a great weekend, shall we?
I'm going to the Disneyland in Hong Kong!!
Pictures always should have a special story behind it or a special meaning to the photographer.
Allow me to come back to the topic - Comments directed to models, why not?
Here's my views and some why.
1. The model didn't choose himself/herself/itself to be the subject but the PHOTOGRAPHER did.
2. The PHOTOGRAPHER had asked her to post in an 'ugly' manner, that result getting negative comment.
3. The PHOTOGRAPHER didn't rate his work properly, yet still publise it and have the face to tell people off who have given their thoughts about his work.
4. The model is being misunderstood of his/her/its professionalism due to the PHOTOGRAPHER's incompetency.
5. The PHOTOGRAPHER didn't check the details and direct the model accordingly, where the model is willing and agreed to make the needed adjustment.
6. The PHOTOGRAPHER who could not accept a negative comment professionally but instead some how or another, whether intentionally or unintentionally re-direct the fault to the model.
1. Rejecting the PHOTOGRAPHER's direction if he/she/it have agreed to and paid for.
2. Unable to put up the require expression/post which they are actually capable of.
3. The model didn't prepare himself/herself/itself for the contracted/agreed shoot.
4. The model post his/her/its picture and asking for comment of their appearance specifically.
BTW, why so much pointers on the Photographer?
After all, whether it's a model, a scenary, an object, etc. etc., who is the one composing and making the picture? Who has the control of how the result going to be? Who would normally share their work here?
If returning to the case where it all started, despite whether I'm trolling or not or whatsoever.
My answer to the topic is "NOT".
I'm stating my points based on my personal opinion. I'm not here to convince or trying to change anyone's mind. This is just a forum.
Last edited by cheeseme; 30th May 2008 at 10:37 PM.
Now to the points
1. That country, people have to pay taxes.
2. That country, people are not free to leave, they need passport and permits.
3. In that country people from outside cannot enter without a passport and permit.
4. In that country, people are exploited
Bottomline is that the people in that country are forced to live in that enviroment and also being exploited.
1. you do not need to pay anything to be a member.
2. you are free to leave as and when you feel like to
3. Anyone regardless of race or nationality can come in and join as members without any string attached
4. In clubsnap the moderators and admins have to face the wrath and mischief of the members, spammers, listen to complaints from one group of members against another, take rude and tackless comments against them, server overload, getting to run CS 24/7, organising activities etc etc while some members can take it as their birth rights to just sit and criticize the mods and admin actions and bitch about infractions.
So don't compare, cos you are not exploited here. You are free to come and go
The least you can do is to observe and respect the house rules, period.
Last edited by chngpe01; 31st May 2008 at 10:10 AM.