Have a beer everyone!!!!
My model here did a great job!! Its all about casting la...
Please tell me, should all this be commented?
Of course, you can say they are not model, they are beauties with brain, and I'm OTOT but but but...really that much of a difference meh????...OMG!!!! Generally, they never failed every year to make me spray out my rice if I'm eating in front of the monitor. What's happening?
Last edited by cheeseme; 3rd June 2008 at 11:26 PM.
It's "safer" to bash them in the Kopitiam forum.
As for the awesome photo below, "it's all about casting". If that's the look you're going for, then people and comment all they want, but if it's what YOU want, then who cares what they say? Sticks and stones, people, sticks and stones...
Beauty pageant contestants are fair game. We can of course comment on that how they look. They want to claim the title of I am most beautiful. Actually, the standard for the contestants should be raised. After all, they al think they are beauty queen, and therefore, we should slam on the standard of beauty queens.
Btw, not sure how they fare in real life, if based on these pictures, .
that said, yes, a lot of people here perhaps have such an attachment - personally i do not feel that canonised is one of them.. but it is an increasing problem. and after all, i cannot speak for anyone else save myself.
i do get mattlockś point, but i still cannot see the light (if there is any in it). to me it is like saying that you should criticise a lamp in a still life photograph - saying that the lamp is not photogenic, for example, is nonsensical to me, since the poor lamp had not bearing or control on its role in the photograph. same goes for a tree in landscape. it is *precisely* because these are objects in the photograph that i feel that there is no need to comment on them. if you do feel something about the object, and you do think that the photographer had some control in it, and believe me he did, then phrasing should be directed at the photographer. if the lamp is realy, really, really not photogenic, then you should tell the photographer that you think there is no picture here.
and then again, i have never ever done model photography so like i have mentioned before, perhaps the huge amount of time making no-human-involved photographs might have moulded this direction of thinking. after all, when there is no other human factor then we only have ourselves to blame.
like i said, this might be based on differing life views so essentially i have sounded out my points, you have yours, others have said their piece, and i do not think that we can really convince each other otherwise.. so long as both parties could agree that there is merit in each otherś arguments then that is all that is needed to be said - then now is the time to do what ortega has suggested, i.e. agree to disagree. cheers.
Last edited by night86mare; 4th June 2008 at 12:08 PM.
There are too many pagent contest going on and in almost every models profile, you will see them crowned as the winner or at least runners up for some dunno what pagent. All these pagent boost their ego and make them belief they are "special"!
You can't really criticize a lamp for being what it is, but you can always question each element's contribution to a photo.
you would not call a lamp ugly. it is not its fault, and if it is indeed ugly then the photographer should not shoot. if it is not actually ugly then the photographer screwed up his photograph, that is still nothing to do with the lamp being ugly.
no worries. i seem to have lost track of this thread in the meantime.
re: model's feelings... nah, not saying that's what you're advocating. i mentioned it on my way to my next point (about whether or not commenting on the subject is relevant)
i do know what you're saying - you feel that comments on the subject of the photograph don't help you improve as a photographer.
there are, of course, all kinds of useful and not useful comments, and what determines their usefulness is not whether the comment is on the subject or not, but the spirit in which the comment is given, and the spirit in which it is received.
and what i think you're saying here is that often comments on the models are given/taken in a manner that is not useful. they are at best meaningless and worse, can lead to pointless flaming. this, i can definitely agree with
where you and i differ is this: you feel that because of the high rubbish quotient involved with these statements, they should be banned/discouraged. as for me, i'm a bit more inclined to let people say what they want, even if i don't like it.
somehow this just reminds me about chewing gum: some people like to chew it, but many of them stick it everywhere, it dirties up our city, buses, trains and is costly to clean up. causes so many problems and the only good thing is that some people like to chew... why not just ban it right?
as for my feeding of trolls... well, i didn't even realise i was
i try my best (and i admit, i find this very difficult) to not go into an argument/discussion assuming that i am right. often i find in the course of discussion that my own logic is not faultless.
anyway, i'm pleasantly surprised. this thread has made it through quite a number of pages far more sensibly than i dared hope.
airport = you're back in sg?
Black lens, white Lens, can take picture is a Good lens