India Bangalore City

Agpx4 · 23rd June 2003

Hi everyone,

Here is some of my photo shoot while I'm having my business trip visit at India Bangalore City. You can visit my photo site and get to know more about the famous IT city at India, the Bangalore city.

Early view of the Bangalore city.

Indian way of wiring!

http://agpx4.clubsnap.org

harshdreams · 23rd June 2003

absolutley pathetic !!
i have spent 3 wonderful years in this city and your pictures to total injustice!!..

Dear David..learn to look beyond the poverty and the dirt and the chaos that you tried to potray!!..what kind of business trip were you on??

this one blew my top...

"I saw this drawing on the wall, and I believe we can't easily see it in the develop country like Singapore and Malaysia."

well..i would not comment on that ..else i guess i may be evicted from this forum...

one thing is absolutely certain..at least in that part of the world 'English' isnt murdered the way it has been by some in the 'develop'country!!...

jon33 · 23rd June 2003

err...i think it is just agpx4's impression of the city on his trip. captions are his thoughts. everyone's entitled to his thoughts right? no need to be so hard on the guy...i think the series of pics was ok. maybe some shots were kind of banal (?) but on the whole the series did bring an image of the city to my mind. at least, the image that agpx4 wanted to convey.

harshdreams: why don't you show us the side of the city that you find so wonderful? it would be an eye opener (for me, at least).

and speaking about english being murdered...

FOOXX · 23rd June 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Agpx4
Hi everyone,

Here is some of my photo shoot while I'm having my business trip visit at India Bangalore City. You can visit my photo site and get to know more about the famous IT city at India, the Bangalore city.

Early view of the Bangalore city.

me feel that thiz shot will be better if the horizon iz not tilted n the pile of rockz in at the bottom r excluded .....

junyang · 23rd June 2003

well.. speak for yourself.

Quote:

Originally posted by harshdreams
absolutley pathetic !!
i have spent 3 wonderful years in this city and your pictures to total injustice!!..

Dear David..learn to look beyond the poverty and the dirt and the chaos that you tried to potray!!..what kind of business trip were you on??

this one blew my top...

"I saw this drawing on the wall, and I believe we can't easily see it in the develop country like Singapore and Malaysia."

well..i would not comment on that ..else i guess i may be evicted from this forum...

one thing is absolutely certain..at least in that part of the world 'English' isnt murdered the way it has been by some in the 'develop'country!!...

Marx · 23rd June 2003

I spent some time viewing Agpx4's site and I simply found it a 'work of art'. Most of the photos convey feelings that somehow made you feel like what is like to be there. I did not find it offensive though the captions for some can be made better. IMO, the author is not trying to put this City down.

hongsien · 23rd June 2003

"Water generator created from british."

Wow! So, that's what they did to the british, huh? Just kidding, lah!

I do agree with harshdreams in general (may not apply to Agpx4 pics completely): many people from Singapore visit the countries around this island with a certain judgemental 'eye', and seem to always compare it with home, ......where it is always 'better'.......although Singapore can be classified as 'developed' country (for which they are so proud about) in the materialistic way, socially there is still alot that can be improved..........with the way people here treat each other on the sidewalks, on the roads........I see so much people here having the 'don't care' attitude towards each other on the streets/roads/shops, this kind of behaviour doesn't seem to me to befit a developed country at all! In the US or Canada eg. cars stops up to 10 meters away to let pedestrians cross a road safely, and I even haven't put a foot on the road yet! Here in Singapore I was about 4 times almost run over by cars who were turning into a smaller road, while I was already crossing that street! Read carefully: 'turning' in to a road, cars here are supposed to be careful with pedestrians crossing the smaller road to continue their journey on the main road even if there is no pedestrain crossing, which means stopping and waiting for them, check the driving lesson books. One case was a lady in a big mercedes going into a carpark sideway! And I was walking in the middle of that entrance road, she kept horning to me! Crazy woman! Overhere it is the one with the money that matters more than those who don't, so much so that people are so much concerned with 'image'. Do you call these 'happiness'?

To come back to Agpx4 pics:
Due to this, people tend to take pics of items that seem outdated or done differently than in their own country. It seems to me Agpx4 was just overwhelmed abit by the sights he has probably never seen before. One need only to travel a few hours to see similar ways of life (Batam) as in India, or just a generation ago, Singapore was similar like that too.

This trip may have been an eye opener for Agpx4, despite the 'poor' circumstances that he saw, it is however relative, as they probably are still happy, and may be even happier than many people here in this red dot size island. People here shouldn't forget that there are many poor people here in Singapore too, not only poor in the materialistic way, but also in the spiritual way.

I also don't think that he tries to put the city down intentionally, but that's was not what harshdreams meant I guess. It was the general mood of the pics that seems to be one sided. This is the same as some western countries do when they come filming Asian countries, I lived in Holland for 22 years, so I know what their general view is of Indonesia.

BTW: typing wrongly due to speed doesn't mean the guy can't speak good english........

Hong Sien

harshdreams · 24th June 2003

Quote:

Here is some of my photo shoot while I'm having my business trip visit at India Bangalore City. You can visit my photo site and get to know more about the famous IT city at India, the Bangalore city.

u call that typing fast??

hongsien · 24th June 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by jon33

harshdreams: why don't you show us the side of the city that you find so wonderful? it would be an eye opener (for me, at least).

and speaking about english being murdered...

No, lah! I was talking regarding to the above which was about your english typo mistakes, and another one after that "speak for yourself" from junyang

Hong Sien

Tweek · 24th June 2003

I must say that almost every sentence in agpx's travelogue has got at least one grammar or spelling error. But what the heck, I'm not here to appraise his English standard, so back to his photos.

Of the many photos, the best is the one with the sunrays, posted in this thread. If only the horizon isn't tilted.....

Otherwise, the other photos are really point-and-shoot standard. Like a tourist snapping excitedly at things not seen back home. Not that it's bad, it's good enough for personal archival of his travel, but not particularly there yet for a good photographic representation of the city.

Then again, I assume that since he was on a business trip, he probably didn't have the luxury of time to slowly think and compose.

p.s. as a personal advice, Agpx, brush up your English!

Agpx4 · 24th June 2003

Hi harshdreams,

I believe my typing have totally misleading people, I'm really sorry about that. The drawing that I mentioned in my web page is to tell people that is a piece of nice work you can't see it in the develop country like Singapore and Malaysia. It doesn’t mean I'm looking down to the Indian people. In fact, they are cheer full and hard working and fast learning as compare to us in develop country. They are the people who can have a better future as they have huge of resource and low cost label.

I spend 3 weeks there and I have a very good memorable time over there. In fact, don’t you thing the place full of life even is not really high tech as what we have in Singapore?

I will make some changes right away before more and more people misleading.

24th June 2003

Well, Mr. Harshdreams, I'm not sure if your main intention of viewing this website is to look at people's work or to do personal attack. I'm not into photography but I do sometime access this web to admire other people's work of art. I believe that every people have a different view of the world. It does not mean that their view are different and thus personal attack is allow. I normally do the viewing and have no intention of joining into any feedback but this time, I do feel a great injustice done to one that has a passion for photography. Who in the world state that one that does not have good English background has not right to show the world his passion for photography and that he does not take good photo?!

If you are as "educated" as you claim, and know how to appreciate things in other country, please first learn how to appreciate and respect other people's work.

hongsien · 24th June 2003

hello pin,

I don't think harsdreams was linking language to the photography, but he was talking about the incomplete view of the city that these pics show. I think you read his posting wrongly. He was just venting his frustrations by kicking back with the language problems in the pics.

How would you feel if some tourist would show pics of Geylang red light district and let many people believe Geylang is one big red light district? You as a Singaporean know that that view is not complete........

HS

jtnet · 24th June 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by pin
Well, Mr. Harshdreams, I'm not sure if your main intention of viewing this website is to look at people's work or to do personal attack. I'm not into photography but I do sometime access this web to admire other people's work of art. I believe that every people have a different view of the world. It does not mean that their view are different and thus personal attack is allow. I normally do the viewing and have no intention of joining into any feedback but this time, I do feel a great injustice done to one that has a passion for photography. Who in the world state that one that does not have good English background has not right to show the world his passion for photography and that he does not take good photo?!

If you are as "educated" as you claim, and know how to appreciate things in other country, please first learn how to appreciate and respect other people's work.

..................

jtnet · 24th June 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by hongsien

How would you feel if some tourist would show pics of Geylang red light district and let many people believe Geylang is one big red light district? You as a Singaporean know that that view is not complete........

HS [/b]

I a garee with u too.

But still think harsdreams is too harsh with his words.

Well guess the whole forum is waiting for him to show us his side of story (pict) then can the city be "complete"

canturn · 24th June 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by harshdreams
absolutley pathetic !!
i have spent 3 wonderful years in this city and your pictures to total injustice!!..

Dear Mr Harshdreams, perhaps you might like to show us some pictures that does justice to this city, I'm sure many of us would like to see it

Quote:

this one blew my top...

"I saw this drawing on the wall, and I believe we can't easily see it in the develop country like Singapore and Malaysia."

well..i would not comment on that ..else i guess i may be evicted from this forum...

one thing is absolutely certain..at least in that part of the world 'English' isnt murdered the way it has been by some in the 'develop'country!!...

Any constructive suggestions on how he should phrase it?

Like some 'critiques' in the CS forums, reading them makes me wonder whether some of these comments are against the photo, or against the photographer.

After awhile, some words can be taken as a pinch of salt

Looking at AGPX4's work, I don't think his out to make a point or put the city in a bad light. Perhaps he should leave out the commentaries and let the pictures speak for themselves to avoid mis-understanding from people here.

At least give the man some credits for putting up these photos and sharing with us.

Maybe some folks do think that only grammar teachers can take good pictures

hongsien · 24th June 2003

harsherdreamer was merely asking for a more balanced collection of pics depicting the city, the city that he knows and lived in for a few years (as far as I can understand from his posting)........this doesn't mean that he has to show pics here, because he obviously knows other sights of the city.

Agpx4 pics however does show the lively side of the people and the way some of them make a living. But as I said, this is a typical view people have from India, there are many people there who live in great designer houses and have a life people here in Singapore would only dream off. Nevertheless, the majority do live in poorer conditions due to over population.

Hong Sien

Klipsch · 24th June 2003

Hmm....why the argument? Why cant just view photgraphs as just photographs and not something to jump at each other about? Just a thought...

harshdreams · 24th June 2003

My apologies to Agpx4, this was not meant to get personal. I admire your frankness and understand your intentions.
I may have jumped the gun...The moment i saw the Title Bangalore, i had to see each and every shot ... maybe I was dissapointed that Agpx4 decided to show a majority of pics that showed the usual stuff one unfortunately associate India with...

anyway thank you for sharing your images.

Agpx4 · 24th June 2003

Hi harshdreams,

Is ok, just that I'm not putting a very seriously in entering the explanation of individual photo that I take in telling people how does the city look's like. However, business trip doesn't allow me to have a good time in taking a good picture of the city.

As time goes by, high expectation of my own photography works will get higher, after reading all the positive and negative review. I do feel most of the picture I take for this India trip is too general and not really that meet a Photojournalism objective.

Again I hope all of you understand what I¡¦m trying to say with such a ¡§ bad English ¡§ typing.

23rd June 2003	#1
Agpx4 Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 416	India Bangalore City Hi everyone, Here is some of my photo shoot while I'm having my business trip visit at India Bangalore City. You can visit my photo site and get to know more about the famous IT city at India, the Bangalore city. Early view of the Bangalore city. Indian way of wiring! http://agpx4.clubsnap.org Last edited by Agpx4; 23rd June 2003 at 10:46 PM.

23rd June 2003	#3
jon33 Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: go north! Posts: 548	err...i think it is just agpx4's impression of the city on his trip. captions are his thoughts. everyone's entitled to his thoughts right? no need to be so hard on the guy...i think the series of pics was ok. maybe some shots were kind of banal (?) but on the whole the series did bring an image of the city to my mind. at least, the image that agpx4 wanted to convey. harshdreams: why don't you show us the side of the city that you find so wonderful? it would be an eye opener (for me, at least). and speaking about english being murdered... Last edited by jon33; 23rd June 2003 at 11:02 PM.

23rd June 2003	#7
hongsien Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 2,904	"Water generator created from british." Wow! So, that's what they did to the british, huh? Just kidding, lah! I do agree with harshdreams in general (may not apply to Agpx4 pics completely): many people from Singapore visit the countries around this island with a certain judgemental 'eye', and seem to always compare it with home, ......where it is always 'better'.......although Singapore can be classified as 'developed' country (for which they are so proud about) in the materialistic way, socially there is still alot that can be improved..........with the way people here treat each other on the sidewalks, on the roads........I see so much people here having the 'don't care' attitude towards each other on the streets/roads/shops, this kind of behaviour doesn't seem to me to befit a developed country at all! In the US or Canada eg. cars stops up to 10 meters away to let pedestrians cross a road safely, and I even haven't put a foot on the road yet! Here in Singapore I was about 4 times almost run over by cars who were turning into a smaller road, while I was already crossing that street! Read carefully: 'turning' in to a road, cars here are supposed to be careful with pedestrians crossing the smaller road to continue their journey on the main road even if there is no pedestrain crossing, which means stopping and waiting for them, check the driving lesson books. One case was a lady in a big mercedes going into a carpark sideway! And I was walking in the middle of that entrance road, she kept horning to me! Crazy woman! Overhere it is the one with the money that matters more than those who don't, so much so that people are so much concerned with 'image'. Do you call these 'happiness'? To come back to Agpx4 pics: Due to this, people tend to take pics of items that seem outdated or done differently than in their own country. It seems to me Agpx4 was just overwhelmed abit by the sights he has probably never seen before. One need only to travel a few hours to see similar ways of life (Batam) as in India, or just a generation ago, Singapore was similar like that too. This trip may have been an eye opener for Agpx4, despite the 'poor' circumstances that he saw, it is however relative, as they probably are still happy, and may be even happier than many people here in this red dot size island. People here shouldn't forget that there are many poor people here in Singapore too, not only poor in the materialistic way, but also in the spiritual way. I also don't think that he tries to put the city down intentionally, but that's was not what harshdreams meant I guess. It was the general mood of the pics that seems to be one sided. This is the same as some western countries do when they come filming Asian countries, I lived in Holland for 22 years, so I know what their general view is of Indonesia. BTW: typing wrongly due to speed doesn't mean the guy can't speak good english........ Hong Sien Last edited by hongsien; 24th June 2003 at 12:21 AM.

24th June 2003	#11
Agpx4 Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 416	Hi harshdreams, I believe my typing have totally misleading people, I'm really sorry about that. The drawing that I mentioned in my web page is to tell people that is a piece of nice work you can't see it in the develop country like Singapore and Malaysia. It doesn’t mean I'm looking down to the Indian people. In fact, they are cheer full and hard working and fast learning as compare to us in develop country. They are the people who can have a better future as they have huge of resource and low cost label. I spend 3 weeks there and I have a very good memorable time over there. In fact, don’t you thing the place full of life even is not really high tech as what we have in Singapore? I will make some changes right away before more and more people misleading. Last edited by Agpx4; 24th June 2003 at 12:40 AM.

23rd June 2003	#2
harshdreams Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Holland Village,Singapore Posts: 143	absolutley pathetic !! i have spent 3 wonderful years in this city and your pictures to total injustice!!.. Dear David..learn to look beyond the poverty and the dirt and the chaos that you tried to potray!!..what kind of business trip were you on?? this one blew my top... "I saw this drawing on the wall, and I believe we can't easily see it in the develop country like Singapore and Malaysia." well..i would not comment on that ..else i guess i may be evicted from this forum... one thing is absolutely certain..at least in that part of the world 'English' isnt murdered the way it has been by some in the 'develop'country!!...

23rd June 2003	#6
Marx Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: East Posts: 495	I spent some time viewing Agpx4's site and I simply found it a 'work of art'. Most of the photos convey feelings that somehow made you feel like what is like to be there. I did not find it offensive though the captions for some can be made better. IMO, the author is not trying to put this City down.

24th June 2003	#10
Tweek Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: East Posts: 2,149	I must say that almost every sentence in agpx's travelogue has got at least one grammar or spelling error. But what the heck, I'm not here to appraise his English standard, so back to his photos. Of the many photos, the best is the one with the sunrays, posted in this thread. If only the horizon isn't tilted..... Otherwise, the other photos are really point-and-shoot standard. Like a tourist snapping excitedly at things not seen back home. Not that it's bad, it's good enough for personal archival of his travel, but not particularly there yet for a good photographic representation of the city. Then again, I assume that since he was on a business trip, he probably didn't have the luxury of time to slowly think and compose. p.s. as a personal advice, Agpx, brush up your English!

24th June 2003	#12
pin Guests Posts: n/a	Well, Mr. Harshdreams, I'm not sure if your main intention of viewing this website is to look at people's work or to do personal attack. I'm not into photography but I do sometime access this web to admire other people's work of art. I believe that every people have a different view of the world. It does not mean that their view are different and thus personal attack is allow. I normally do the viewing and have no intention of joining into any feedback but this time, I do feel a great injustice done to one that has a passion for photography. Who in the world state that one that does not have good English background has not right to show the world his passion for photography and that he does not take good photo?! If you are as "educated" as you claim, and know how to appreciate things in other country, please first learn how to appreciate and respect other people's work.

24th June 2003	#18
Klipsch Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 515	Hmm....why the argument? Why cant just view photgraphs as just photographs and not something to jump at each other about? Just a thought...