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    Default HELP!!! Friends, Lend me your ears! 2WK needs to clarify

    Hi All Fellow CS photographers and Models,

    We, 2WK Pte Limited are a newly established talent agency. Note that we are not a total model agency but a talents' agency whereby we are a company to help groom fresh and promote established models and people with special skills like singing and hosting, etc.
    However, we are a also a company for profit. So do ur best to support us.

    In any case, it has come to our attention, more than once that some model and fellow CS organisers are giving negative image or feedback about 2WK.

    I believe that everyone should be entitled to speak his side of the story, in our case, the CORRECT version. And to have fellow organizers getting models that have committed to assignments to pull out of other organisers is a very horrible action to be doing. I hope that 2WK can have some supports from CS members and from the photographers from our very first organised photoshoots on 1st March, on the conduct and actually timing of that event.


    Any questions, please contact me at 98260552 or email me at mario@2wk.com.sg

    thanks very much CS members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garfieldcat082 View Post
    Hi All Fellow CS photographers and Models,

    We, 2WK Pte Limited are a newly established talent agency. Note that we are not a total model agency but a talents' agency whereby we are a company to help groom fresh and promote established models and people with special skills like singing and hosting, etc.
    However, we are a also a company for profit. So do ur best to support us.

    In any case, it has come to our attention, more than once that some model and fellow CS organisers are giving negative image or feedback about 2WK.

    I believe that everyone should be entitled to speak his side of the story, in our case, the CORRECT version. And to have fellow organizers getting models that have committed to assignments to pull out of other organisers is a very horrible action to be doing. I hope that 2WK can have some supports from CS members and from the photographers from our very first organised photoshoots on 1st March, on the conduct and actually timing of that event.


    Any questions, please contact me at 98260552 or email me at mario@2wk.com.sg

    thanks very much CS members.
    Hi All,

    For additional information, 2WK paid the model in question a sum of $120 instead of $20 in the rumours many of you have been hearing. I would advise ppl not to hear one sided news and bank transaction information can be provided upon request. Thanks so much.

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    Default Re: HELP!!! Friends, Lend me your ears! 2WK needs to clarify

    Perhaps this thread is more appropriate to another subforum ?

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    I suggest that you can be more transparent and let us know what actually happened? What are the accuses?
    I am NOT a PROfessional photographer and photography is NOT my hobby

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youhong View Post
    I suggest that you can be more transparent and let us know what actually happened? What are the accuses?
    Hi,

    thanks for the suggestion. I have pm you to explain why we won't write out the whole story, not that we don't want to be more transparent.
    if you have any enquires, pls pm me or email me. thanks for reading and giving your views.

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    It's amusing how the story is twisted in Post #2. The fact of the matter was that during the shoot, I was there almost 2 hours out of the 3 hours engaged. I was paid in advance before the shoot S$120 which was 50% with the remainder to be collected after the shoot. Of course he can show bank statements that he has transferred S$120.

    What people don't know and what Mario conveniently omitted was that after the shoot, Mario demanded that I return to him S$100 of the S$120 paid and said that S$20 was for transport expenses which was "VERY GENEROUS". I declined his offer and stated that S$120 does not even cover 2 hours of my agreed rates

    He subsequently harassed my mobile phone with bombardments of smses and phone calls, and even threatened to take me to court and make a police report if I did not return him his S$100. Till this day, no action has been taken by him despite his threats.

    Hence the correct story should be that he only offered to pay me S$20 for 2 hours of my time, and he had no choice but to part with S$120 as that is the advance deposit already paid. At no time was payment of S$120 of his own choice, but more of the fact that he couldn't do anything about it. This is clear from his demands of the S$100 back, and threats of court and police action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigotai View Post
    It's amusing how the story is twisted in Post #2. The fact of the matter was that during the shoot, I was there almost 2 hours out of the 3 hours engaged. I was paid in advance before the shoot S$120 which was 50% with the remainder to be collected after the shoot. Of course he can show bank statements that he has transferred S$120.

    What people don't know and what Mario conveniently omitted was that after the shoot, Mario demanded that I return to him S$100 of the S$120 paid and said that S$20 was for transport expenses which was "VERY GENEROUS". I declined his offer and stated that S$120 does not even cover 2 hours of my agreed rates

    He subsequently harassed my mobile phone with bombardments of smses and phone calls, and even threatened to take me to court and make a police report if I did not return him his S$100. Till this day, no action has been taken by him despite his threats.

    Hence the correct story should be that he only offered to pay me S$20 for 2 hours of my time, and he had no choice but to part with S$120 as that is the advance deposit already paid. At no time was payment of S$120 of his own choice, but more of the fact that he couldn't do anything about it. This is clear from his demands of the S$100 back, and threats of court and police action.
    serious allegation wor...
    you better dun delete the smses for evidence
    it is not rite of garfield to take advantages of you.
    40D 50mmF1.8 17-85mm 24-70L

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigotai View Post
    It's amusing how the story is twisted in Post #2. The fact of the matter was that during the shoot, I was there almost 2 hours out of the 3 hours engaged. I was paid in advance before the shoot S$120 which was 50% with the remainder to be collected after the shoot. Of course he can show bank statements that he has transferred S$120.

    What people don't know and what Mario conveniently omitted was that after the shoot, Mario demanded that I return to him S$100 of the S$120 paid and said that S$20 was for transport expenses which was "VERY GENEROUS". I declined his offer and stated that S$120 does not even cover 2 hours of my agreed rates

    He subsequently harassed my mobile phone with bombardments of smses and phone calls, and even threatened to take me to court and make a police report if I did not return him his S$100. Till this day, no action has been taken by him despite his threats.

    Hence the correct story should be that he only offered to pay me S$20 for 2 hours of my time, and he had no choice but to part with S$120 as that is the advance deposit already paid. At no time was payment of S$120 of his own choice, but more of the fact that he couldn't do anything about it. This is clear from his demands of the S$100 back, and threats of court and police action.
    Just curious, what is the reason behind that he demanded you to return $100?

    That aside, I got a feeling the thread is going to get locked very soon.. but maybe its fair for the TS to give his side of the story, so that the rest of us know what is happening...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigotai View Post
    I was there almost 2 hours out of the 3 hours engaged.
    I don't get this part. U were engaged for 3 hours, but you only showed up for almost 2 hours?

    Or your service was terminated after almost 2 hours?


    .

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    Terminated after almost 2 hours despite being engaged for 3 hours due to rain, hence we stood in a tunnel shelter waiting for rain to stop before he decided to call off the shoot and for the first 30 minutes or so were being chased by condominium security guards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigotai View Post
    Terminated after almost 2 hours despite being engaged for 3 hours due to rain, hence we stood in a tunnel shelter waiting for rain to stop before he decided to call off the shoot and for the first 30 minutes or so were being chased by condominium security guards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigotai View Post
    Terminated after almost 2 hours despite being engaged for 3 hours due to rain, hence we stood in a tunnel shelter waiting for rain to stop before he decided to call off the shoot and for the first 30 minutes or so were being chased by condominium security guards.
    Ok.
    So i think the whole story goes like this..
    You were engaged for a 3 hours shoot.. but it rains on the day itself..
    After been chased by the security for the 1st 30 minutes and spending another 1.5 hours in the tunnel waiting for the rain to stop, the organiser decided to call off the shoot.
    The organiser then demanded you (not sure about the other models) to return the money, perhaps the reason given was that the shoot was never carried out... and maybe he also need to refund the photograpers...
    But on your part, you have already spend 2 hours, so you rightly demand to be paid..

    Am i correct?

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    Dear all,

    Thank you for your interest in this matter and for your comments. Shinestar, thanks for voicing out that I should give my side of the story.

    The fact of the matter is, I had 16 photographers on my 1st shoot and I believe all can verify that Gigotai was not there for 2 hours as she greatly insisted. My shoot on 1st march started at 9am, and to start it off, she was late and only arrived at about 9.15am–9.20am.

    We had obtained a permit from the condo management for the shoot, however, due to residents complaining, we had to move the shooting venue to another part of the condo.

    Eventually, we had to cancelled the shoot at 10am because of the heavy rain, and not due to any other reasons. She was definitely not terminated “after almost 2 hours”. So strictly speaking, from the time she arrived till the time the shoot was cancelled, it was 45 mins. How can this be construed as having worked for 2 hours?

    After the shoot was cancelled at 10am, it was raining and we took shelter. She did not leave immediately, which she could, on her own choice. In fact, she only left when my coordinator offered to give her a lift out to the nearest mrt, and that was around 1030am. Still doesn’t add up to the 2 hours as she has alleged. Furthermore, it is not fair to us as organizers if she calculated her so-called “working hours” till the time she eventually left. It should be calculated fairly, from the time she stopped working, which is 10am when the shoot was called off. I have witnesses and evidence to prove this. What are her evidences? Her own words?

    On the issue of payment, it is true that I had asked her for the refund of deposit, PROMISING her that I would increase her pay for the next shoot with us to make up for it and that I would cover her transport for that day's failed shoot. I was not being “very generous” as she quoted, but figured that if she had come all the way down, I should compensate her. She replied with, 'no. I would keep the 120 and you actually still owe me 40 more...' I was shocked and told her that if she wants it this way, I will let her keep the deposit and that we will use it to offset the next shoot, but she refused. The extent I went to settle the matter was that I even told her, then forget it, let’s still work together and please call me to discuss.

    ‘He subsequently harassed my mobile phone with bombardments of smses and phone calls, and even threatened to take me to court and make a police report if I did not return him his S$100.’

    How do you try to settle the matter with Felicia when from the start she does not want to call me or answer my calls?
    With regard to this, how can one settle anything with another person without proper communication? She did not want to answer or return my calls, and till this date she has not spoken to me about it. So I had no choice but to contact her using sms. And even so, she told me, and I quote “don't sms me already, anything email me.' which i did, but she still did not respond.

    2WK did not continue pursuing the matter to police as for a sum of just 120, we damage a young girl’s image? we are not that cruel. However should she be going around telling others about this in her own half-truths and cause damage to our reputation, it seems as though she is FORCING us to pursue legal action just for a small sum of $120. This is rather laughable I must say.

    Finally, I would like to clarify that 2WK would not have started this thread to bring this matter up, if not for the fact that she had gone around smearing our reputation. We did not even tell anyone that she pocketed the money for work she did NOT do – which resulted in unfair monetary loss on our part. Hence I urge CS friends to be impartial and to listen to both sides of the story.

    I agree with Shinestar that this thread will probably be locked down. If there's any queries on this matter, do call 2WK to discuss or PM us.

    Thank you,
    2WK.

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    Please let it be known that i was there at before 9am by few minutes. You can easily check with the condo check in time for that, and I was only being directed around by Garfield when I was in the car, hence resulting in me having turned 3 rounds around the condo and finally out back to the main gate, as Garfield decided I didn't have to go to the VOLCANO??? area anymore but I should meet him at the entrance, after which Garfield told me he saw the car drove past twice when he met me and I signed in again for the 2nd time as the car was outside the main gate area waiting for him, hence I walked in with him. Also when I tried to call him at certain times during the car ride, his phone was engaged hence I had to wait for him to call me back.

    And no, I did not reach the scene at 9:20 after being directed around by him, i arrived at 9:10 after being directed around the place in the car.

    On the number of hours, I will not argue with you for those who were there can be witnesses..

    Sorry, on the issue of payment I initially wanted to negotiate with him, and I was KINDLY OFFERED that he paid me only 40 bucks, but no, he plainly refused saying that the shoot was not carried out blah blah hence i should refund him 120. So after thinking about the time I took to come to the location, my efforts of putting on makeup for 45 minutes or so at home I decided that I shouldn't be refunding him for what else would the purpose of a deposit be?
    I told him that, to which he responded with BOMBARDMENTS of smses threatening me with his XXX no. of witnesses to the police. Which I responded to for the past day. I didn't want to answer the phone as I felt that there would be no record of evidence of telephone conversations. (wanted things to be properly documented in an event of a dispute since he was already threatening legal action )

    After he realised that he wasn't going to get his deposit back from me,he decided he wanted to work together with me etc. hence I could keep it for future shoots together. But I refused, since I was sure this wasn't an organiser I would want to work with in the future.

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    (sorry for the number of typos up there)
    The reason he is not pursuing it is because there are no grounds not because he is noble and doesn't want to spoil his reputation.

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    Hi Felicia,

    I will seek more advise from a lawyer on this matter. What I got from the police is that I can just make a report on that matter. I really don't want to do things so nasty as I want to be working more assignment with you. I can even plan to leave the 120 deposit with you till we do the next shoot like the cosplay which we can pay you more. Why do we have to come to this kind of arguement? Its just that in paper accounts for my company, i need you to return the deposit mins the transport cost of $20. I have been wanting to talk to you on that, but you refused.

    hai, in that case, I will just have to make the report first to protect the interest of my company.



    This was after he realized I wasn't going to refund him the money and hence this meekness in his tone trying to persuade me to work with him instead of just threatening to report to the police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigotai View Post
    Please let it be known that i was there at before 9am by few minutes. You can easily check with the condo check in time for that, and I was only being directed around by Garfield when I was in the car, hence resulting in me having turned 3 rounds around the condo and finally out back to the main gate, as Garfield decided I didn't have to go to the VOLCANO??? area anymore but I should meet him at the entrance, after which Garfield told me he saw the car drove past twice when he met me and I signed in again for the 2nd time as the car was outside the main gate area waiting for him, hence I walked in with him. Also when I tried to call him at certain times during the car ride, his phone was engaged hence I had to wait for him to call me back.

    And no, I did not reach the scene at 9:20 after being directed around by him, i arrived at 9:10 after being directed around the place in the car.

    On the number of hours, I will not argue with you for those who were there can be witnesses..

    Sorry, on the issue of payment I initially wanted to negotiate with him, and I was KINDLY OFFERED that he paid me only 40 bucks, but no, he plainly refused saying that the shoot was not carried out blah blah hence i should refund him 120. So after thinking about the time I took to come to the location, my efforts of putting on makeup for 45 minutes or so at home I decided that I shouldn't be refunding him for what else would the purpose of a deposit be?
    I told him that, to which he responded with BOMBARDMENTS of smses threatening me with his XXX no. of witnesses to the police. Which I responded to for the past day. I didn't want to answer the phone as I felt that there would be no record of evidence of telephone conversations. (wanted things to be properly documented in an event of a dispute since he was already threatening legal action )

    After he realised that he wasn't going to get his deposit back from me,he decided he wanted to work together with me etc. hence I could keep it for future shoots together. But I refused, since I was sure this wasn't an organiser I would want to work with in the future.
    Hi,

    with your 'On the number of hours, I will not argue with you for those who were there can be witnesses..' you have just closed the case but saying you have no backing to all you have said but I have my evidence. Maybe someone mature can tell Gigotai what it means by puntuality for work, not finding for the place. you have also admitted that you started shoot at after 9.10 as you mentioned. So if we cancelled the shoot at 10am, which once again you said we were 'chased by condomium security guards for 30mins' can you explain what you mean by work for 2 hrs!?

    You are clearly confusing ppl. And once again, you got no evidence to all you said. Meaning you are saying untrue.

    'Sorry, on the issue of payment I initially wanted to negotiate with him, and I was KINDLY OFFERED that he paid me only 40 bucks', pls note that from the very beginning you did not even answer my call how to negotiate? My sms to you when you said I will only return $60, i smsed 'huh? ...y don't you call me and we discuss about this?' But you didn't. Please once again, don't twist the situation.

    'After he realised that he wasn't going to get his deposit back from me,he decided he wanted to work together with me etc'. Is this your interpretion of my inner feelings or you are a worm in me to know that that's my intention? If you had remembered correctly, 2wk were already wanting to discuss further shoots with you and as a company we will look at bigger pic, we would rather let you keep the $120 since you so wanted to and continue working.

    Therefore as 2wk mentioned, we will not be answering further post on this thread as we have shown here that Gigotai has just proved to you all that she did not work for 2hrs as she mentioned earlier and for anyone out there that had heard from her that we paid her $20 for the work done that day, we paid her $120. And I believe this is one of the rare times organisers give half payment to models, but we did to her, but did she appreciate? I hope you all can see.

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    Oh yes, and when he quoted me $20 to keep, I had already known that he had quoted the other models $40 for keeping.
    Oh yes, and its worth pondering about why he wants to close the thread down, discuss things by pm to the members here, when things can be transparent.

    On another note, about costs that does not even include the lost opportunity costs involved - I had turned down another shoot engagement because you had booked me for 3 hours.

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    Sorry, I walked pass, KPO only.

    Is there any agreement made in advance on payment if model arriving late and cancel due to unforeseen circumstances? Not all business is by trust, so sometime terms and conditions should layout up front, especially when money is concern, then conflict would be lessen.

    Cheers!

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    Hi Cs members,

    We apologise to the moderators that this thread have become a personal issue and not in line with you rules.
    As mentioned, we just wanted to show to others based on information given to us that Gigotai had mentioned to ppl that 2WK paid $20 for her supposingly 2hrs work. But we did not. We paid her $120 and we still insisted it was less than 2 hrs. Simple reason to do so is that we don't want her to use 2WK as a reason to tell ppl sob stories and that I am sure organiser would know that rates for models should be kept private and confidential at all times and not like Gigotai going around telling ppl these stories or putting biz conversations in public.
    In that note, we have done other shoots and I believe we have not disappointed any models or upset any photographers who signed up with us. So we will prove ourselves to be good company and will not base on what one person keep on saying.

    thanks

    2wk

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