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    hi all,

    i haven't ironed out a standard workflow but since i've gotten a new computer thought i might start off on a proper note.

    i'm thinking of processing my pics this way:

    RAW->TIFF-> archive-> photoshop->jpg

    my question is whether i should actually archive in RAW or TIFF. considerations are file size and non-destructive editing. AFAIK, both RAW and TIFF are lossless formats so both should be the same for archival purposes (or am i missing smth out)? will i forgo anything if i archive in TIFF instead of RAW?
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    hmmm.. for me.... i still keep it in its RAW state...

    i know some people would work with tiff..... (prolly because of prefernce)

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    Quote Originally Posted by skopio View Post

    my question is whether i should actually archive in RAW or TIFF. considerations are file size and non-destructive editing. AFAIK, both RAW and TIFF are lossless formats so both should be the same for archival purposes (or am i missing smth out)? will i forgo anything if i archive in TIFF instead of RAW?
    yuh

    you cannot change white balance.. that one quite obvious

    maybe cannot change exposure as well too, but i'm not so sure about that point

    keep in raw

    raw is the rawest form after all

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    Quote Originally Posted by skopio View Post
    hi all,

    i haven't ironed out a standard workflow but since i've gotten a new computer thought i might start off on a proper note.

    i'm thinking of processing my pics this way:

    RAW->TIFF-> archive-> photoshop->jpg

    my question is whether i should actually archive in RAW or TIFF. considerations are file size and non-destructive editing. AFAIK, both RAW and TIFF are lossless formats so both should be the same for archival purposes (or am i missing smth out)? will i forgo anything if i archive in TIFF instead of RAW?

    Hi,

    You should keep the RAW files and archive them after conversion. Convert to TIFF with your favourite RAW developer, C1, ACR, Silkypress, etc. Do your post processing in Photoshop in TIFF to your satisfaction. Save this TIFF file for printing and if you need to output to web, convert to jpg.

    Should a better RAW developer comes along, you can still pull out the original RAW files and convert these to TIFF or JPGs again.

    N.S.

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    i see. so RAW is usually more preferred. how about your processing? do you usually save your processing (photoshop file) or just save the result (tiff/jpg)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skopio View Post
    i see. so RAW is usually more preferred. how about your processing? do you usually save your processing (photoshop file) or just save the result (tiff/jpg)?
    jpg. but i do not shoot for commercial purposes

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    I think someone mentioned that the best way is to do as follows:

    Raw-->backup-->PS-->Save in PSD and JPG --> resize JPG for web

    so you will actually have abt 3 set of backups, RAW, PSD (i recall he mentioned for impt shots only) and JPG.

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    The is the reason why I love Adobe Lightroom.
    Whether one shoots in RAW or jpeg, when using Lightroom, the originals are untouched.
    So you can do adjustments in LR, edit in Photoshop or export as jpeg with the knowledge that the originals are unaffected and there are less versions of your images floating around (something I used to do). Now I just keep the original RAW images.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nemesis32 View Post
    I think someone mentioned that the best way is to do as follows:

    Raw-->backup-->PS-->Save in PSD and JPG --> resize JPG for web

    so you will actually have abt 3 set of backups, RAW, PSD (i recall he mentioned for impt shots only) and JPG.
    won't that take up a lot of space? PSD files are so huge!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by creampuff View Post
    The is the reason why I love Adobe Lightroom.
    Whether one shoots in RAW or jpeg, when using Lightroom, the originals are untouched.
    So you can do adjustments in LR, edit in Photoshop or export as jpeg with the knowledge that the originals are unaffected and there are less versions of your images floating around (something I used to do). Now I just keep the original RAW images.
    correct me if i'm wrong - Lightroom keeps the originals in stacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skopio View Post
    correct me if i'm wrong - Lightroom keeps the originals in stacks?
    Stacking is a useful way to organize images that are stored in the same folder. This could be a watched folder or any folder that you want to import images from. Whether the images are in a stack or from a collection, Lightroom saves only the processing instructions, which means extra space is not taken up in the hard drive and one can have virtual copies to create multiple versions of the same image.

    Aside from the processing controls, the value of LR lies in the usefulness of the metadata, keywording and rating (flagging) controls. It provides a very quick way of sorting through many different images taken at different times. For example if one does several macro shoots, a keyword search for "frog" can call up images of that subject from different collections. Set up properly it saves time trying to hunt a specific image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skopio View Post
    i see. so RAW is usually more preferred. how about your processing? do you usually save your processing (photoshop file) or just save the result (tiff/jpg)?
    Hi,

    After post processing, I will save the tiff files and only convert to jpg when necessary, e.g. posting to my home page.



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    Quote Originally Posted by creampuff View Post
    Stacking is a useful way to organize images that are stored in the same folder. This could be a watched folder or any folder that you want to import images from. Whether the images are in a stack or from a collection, Lightroom saves only the processing instructions, which means extra space is not taken up in the hard drive and one can have virtual copies to create multiple versions of the same image.

    Aside from the processing controls, the value of LR lies in the usefulness of the metadata, keywording and rating (flagging) controls. It provides a very quick way of sorting through many different images taken at different times. For example if one does several macro shoots, a keyword search for "frog" can call up images of that subject from different collections. Set up properly it saves time trying to hunt a specific image.
    well i tried lightroom before and agree that it's very convenient as a library tool - very easy to edit quickly, diff versions stored, etc. but while it strives to be an all-in-one i feel it loses a bit on the functionality of processing.

    of course you can always export to photoshop to process further, but that would mean extra files again.


    is this the norm actually? saving RAW, PSD, and jpg. i feel it's very storage-intensive. or is it just me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skopio View Post
    won't that take up a lot of space? PSD files are so huge!!!
    Yes, it's quite big, esp PSD.. thats why most people only save PSD for those key shots. Most prob save as tiff.

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    saving in compressed layered TIF instead of PSD can save alot of space... the layers and effects are saved while the lossless compression saves much diskspace especially if the files are very complicated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nemesis32 View Post
    Yes, it's quite big, esp PSD.. thats why most people only save PSD for those key shots. Most prob save as tiff.
    hmm.. might consider that. so for the rest you you process then save as uncompressed tiff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skopio View Post
    hmm.. might consider that. so for the rest you you process then save as uncompressed tiff?
    thats what that fella suggest.. i'm just a lazy bum who dont process my shots! :P

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    Quote from Wiki: "Camera raw files have 12 or 14 bits of intensity information, not the gamma-compressed 8 bits typically stored in processed TIFF and JPEG files; since the data is not yet rendered and clipped to a color space gamut, more precision may be available in highlights, shadows, and saturated colors."

    The higher intensity infomation is the key benefits from Raw format, the rest like white balance, color tune, sharpeness, all can be done almost equally through photoshop, but u will never be able to change a 8 bits intensity value to a 12 or 14 bits. So keep the raw, it's not that bigger anyway, and u can alway easily get a bigger harddisk.

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    My workflow
    1. Shoot in raw
    2. Import to laptop via LR, and immed duplicate a set into my portable drive under "Raw Photos" folder
    3. Work on the photos that are residing on my laptop, via LR
    4. Export 2 sets, high quality jpegs to be saved onto hard drive, low quality ones for laptop to save space
    5. Delete all raw files from laptop


    the only chink in my armour is that say after i delete the raw files from my laptop, i lose all the changes..because by then i would only have the original raw files in my hard drive, untouched by LR, and the processed jpeg files
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkaiser View Post
    My workflow
    1. Shoot in raw
    2. Import to laptop via LR, and immed duplicate a set into my portable drive under "Raw Photos" folder
    3. Work on the photos that are residing on my laptop, via LR
    4. Export 2 sets, high quality jpegs to be saved onto hard drive, low quality ones for laptop to save space
    5. Delete all raw files from laptop


    the only chink in my armour is that say after i delete the raw files from my laptop, i lose all the changes..because by then i would only have the original raw files in my hard drive, untouched by LR, and the processed jpeg files
    i think this method of skipping tiff file also mean you are limited by LR's ability to correct the photos as compared to CS.

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