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    It became unbearable that I have to just reply to that particular thread.

    Surely photography is that..

    1) we try to capture an expession (joy, sadness or loss) which we can never capture without cosplayer help in a photo take.
    2) we look for an engaging eyes, a look in the lens which we again cannot do so without cosplayer help.
    3) we frame the posture a pose which we cannot do so without cosplayer consent.
    4) we like to have cospalyer at a nice place with good background, which we can never move them against their will.
    5) we love models for they can pose a nice posture for us to get a 10K picture shot and we love cosplayer for they bring the breath of a comic character to real life.

    Hope i stand up for the passion... and the vouyuers with cameras... that is not photography loh.. period!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AReality View Post
    I just kena by 2 obnoxious CSers that day.

    Saw 1 kid wif nice painted faces, ask mum can shoot or not, got permission already, I only trigger 1 frame, suddenly 2 CSers behind me turn around and push me and fire away. Din' even apologise.
    Then as fast as they appeared, they turned around back into normal position, as if nothing happened like dat.

    I somehow wish I can post their pics here. But I'm sure the mods will remove the post, just like wat happened to my ladder gang pic last time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by falconite View Post
    It became unbearable that I have to just reply to that particular thread.

    Surely photography is that..

    1) we try to capture an expession (joy, sadness or loss) which we can never capture without cosplayer help in a photo take.
    2) we look for an engaging eyes, a look in the lens which we again cannot do so without cosplayer help.
    3) we frame the posture a pose which we cannot do so without cosplayer consent.
    4) we like to have cospalyer at a nice place with good background, which we can never move them against their will.
    5) we love models for they can pose a nice posture for us to get a 10K picture shot and we love cosplayer for they bring the breath of a comic character to real life.

    Hope i stand up for the passion... and the vouyuers with cameras... that is not photography loh.. period!
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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    don't shoot people

    LANDSCAPES NEVER COMPLAIN
    Or go shoot bugs.

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    No matter what shoot involves here, its just a simply little courteousy and consideration for others.

    They cant shoot bug, coz will end up killing it..
    They cant shoot skyscape, cos will end up vandalising it..
    They cant shoot landscape, cos will end up damaging it..
    They can only shoot themselve, cos, that where they will be at their best attiquette..

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    To achieve a balance, I think the organizers can learn something from the car shows:

    Give a certain timeslot and spot for photography. For example, between 2pm to 3 pm, all the cosplayers will gather and let the photographers shoot all they can. Anytime outside this duration, the cosplayers will take rest and cannot be photographed. On Sat and Sun, I am sure many photographers could not get to shoot the complete set of characters with them running around the place. I think this is one of the ways to get things organized to avoid future disputes.

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    They are not photogs, they are camera owners. Anyways, it is about courtesy that no one shoot them when they are resting and given time to relax. The problem is that some camera owners dont do that and they shoot whenever they like and however they like. Organizing is no use without participants respecting the rules.

    The root of the problem is that some think that cosplayers are like personal FOC models.

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    I'm not surprised... btw, there is a clear difference between a photographer and an a** h*** with a camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leejay View Post
    To achieve a balance, I think the organizers can learn something from the car shows:

    Give a certain timeslot and spot for photography. For example, between 2pm to 3 pm, all the cosplayers will gather and let the photographers shoot all they can. Anytime outside this duration, the cosplayers will take rest and cannot be photographed. On Sat and Sun, I am sure many photographers could not get to shoot the complete set of characters with them running around the place. I think this is one of the ways to get things organized to avoid future disputes.
    i disagree. this sounds almost like making them compromise to the unfounded needs of others. it's their event, not a photographers' open season. best will be for them to only invite photographers they know and have worked with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leejay View Post
    To achieve a balance, I think the organizers can learn something from the car shows:

    Give a certain timeslot and spot for photography. For example, between 2pm to 3 pm, all the cosplayers will gather and let the photographers shoot all they can. Anytime outside this duration, the cosplayers will take rest and cannot be photographed. On Sat and Sun, I am sure many photographers could not get to shoot the complete set of characters with them running around the place. I think this is one of the ways to get things organized to avoid future disputes.
    those models are paid... your cosplayers aren't.

    those models got designated rest rooms, your organiser for cosplay will need more place for each of those cosplayers. and u paying?

    seriously, in cosfest, photography should not be the main attraction, i propose a ban... only cosplayers can take pics among themselves instead.

    i find these group of photographers just wanna go there to practice... waste of each other's time, cos in the end, the pics cmi, the models get pissed... no point...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TMC View Post

    The root of the problem is that some think that cosplayers are like personal FOC models.
    I very much agree on that.
    Throughout the event,I actually saw a same guy and another few telling the cosplayer to pose in this that certain even though others are snapping at the same time.
    Doubt he's the official event photographer as there was no pass on him as far as I know.

    Indeed these people thinks the cosplayers are their personal models

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    Quote Originally Posted by yamapi View Post
    I very much agree on that.
    Throughout the event,I actually saw a same guy and another few telling the cosplayer to pose in this that certain even though others are snapping at the same time.
    Doubt he's the official event photographer as there was no pass on him as far as I know.

    Indeed these people thinks the cosplayers are their personal models
    u went? sekali next is your picture show up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    u went? sekali next is your picture show up...
    and your point being?

    Anways if you seen how the Japanese take their cosplayers and how SG take theirs, some will feel ashamed. I got invited to an open event, still need to pay but then I was surprised to see that they do not crowd their cosplayers. 2-3 person only and the others wait in line behind. The cosplayer decide to rest, then they head to another one or just hang around to chitchat. This is called manners and obviously is lacking here. God knows where the education went for some of the people here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    i disagree. this sounds almost like making them compromise to the unfounded needs of others. it's their event, not a photographers' open season. best will just be for them to only invite photographers they know and have worked with.
    This is a public event in a weekend on top of Vivocity where families and foreign workers usually take a break in the weekends and you said this is 'not open'? What do you expect? You expect zero photographer? Or zero people shooting, including the maids and children who want to pose with the cosplayers? When things are public, you have to accept the fact that there will be all sorts of people around. How many photographers can you stop? When you tell one photographer "Hey, no photography please", many photographers are still snapping you from afar. And how do you determine that a person with a DSLR will pester a cosplayer more than a person with a point&shoot? What do you mean by private invitation? The black sheep can also apply to the private invitation and irritate the cosplayers too. Further, if you make Singapore's Cosplay private and isolate photography, you are just making it worse. You want a vibrant cosplay culture that can grow? Then you cannot close yourself up. I thought you are in Japan where cosplay flourishes? And you suggest this kind of close-up policy which will hinder development? Did you attend the cosplay event at Vivocity on Sunday? Did you see that there are Japanese, Taiwanese, and Chinese tourists/photographers around? Go ahead! Make the event private lor, and see what will happen. At least I am sure that some of the photos of this cosplay event will appear in other countries' cosplay sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leejay View Post
    This is a public event in a weekend on top of Vivocity where families and foreign workers usually take a break in the weekends and you said this is 'not open'? What do you expect? You expect zero photographer? Or zero people shooting, including the maids and children who want to pose with the cosplayers? When things are public, you have to accept the fact that there will be all sorts of people around. How many photographers can you stop? When you tell one photographer "Hey, no photography please", many photographers are still snapping you from afar. And how do you determine that a person with a DSLR will pester a cosplayer more than a person with a point&shoot? What do you mean by private invitation? The black sheep can also apply to the private invitation and irritate the cosplayers too. Further, if you make Singapore's Cosplay private and isolate photography, you are just making it worse. You want a vibrant cosplay culture that can grow? Then you cannot close yourself up. I thought you are in Japan where cosplay flourishes? And you suggest this kind of close-up policy which will hinder development? Did you attend the cosplay event at Vivocity on Sunday? Did you see that there are Japanese, Taiwanese, and Chinese tourists/photographers around? Go ahead! Make the event private lor, and see what will happen. At least I am sure that some of the photos of this cosplay event will appear in other countries' cosplay sites.
    it's their event. they set the rules, not the crowd. if they are to choose a no photography rule for the event, it'll not be up to you to argue. did i say they have to go private? they just need to put a no SLR/DSLR sign and let only photographers they trust to handle their official pictures. as for members of public who shoot with handphones and digicams, we hardly hear any complaints about ''indecent'' requests or repeated harassment.

    it's a sad mentality that some people here have that anything in public is free for them to shoot without asking. talk about manners. the fact is they don't need those bugging photographers to make their culture vibrant. in fact going by the complaints we see, these cosplayers are wasting their time entertaining ridiculous requests when they could have spent their time more fruitfully interacting with members of public and other hobbyists. so tell me, who is killing their culture when you have photographer mobs behaving like half-baked paparazzi?

    the cosplayers do have their own photographer friends, they don't need those extras popping out from nowhere to help them with their pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    u went? sekali next is your picture show up...
    Yup I went.


    Well seriously,that's what happened.
    I could see many the Ugly singaproean attitude surfacing at the event.

    why should my picture show up?
    I need be,i can always post my friendster profile

    Good for ego boosting anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by leejay View Post
    This is a public event in a weekend on top of Vivocity where families and foreign workers usually take a break in the weekends and you said this is 'not open'? What do you expect? You expect zero photographer? Or zero people shooting, including the maids and children who want to pose with the cosplayers? When things are public, you have to accept the fact that there will be all sorts of people around. How many photographers can you stop? When you tell one photographer "Hey, no photography please", many photographers are still snapping you from afar. And how do you determine that a person with a DSLR will pester a cosplayer more than a person with a point&shoot? What do you mean by private invitation? The black sheep can also apply to the private invitation and irritate the cosplayers too. Further, if you make Singapore's Cosplay private and isolate photography, you are just making it worse. You want a vibrant cosplay culture that can grow? Then you cannot close yourself up. I thought you are in Japan where cosplay flourishes? And you suggest this kind of close-up policy which will hinder development? Did you attend the cosplay event at Vivocity on Sunday? Did you see that there are Japanese, Taiwanese, and Chinese tourists/photographers around? Go ahead! Make the event private lor, and see what will happen. At least I am sure that some of the photos of this cosplay event will appear in other countries' cosplay sites.
    So defensive....just curious, are you one of those mentioned that squeezing through people to have your shots?

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    Actually I am all for such events being private, +1 to Eikin for bringing this up.

    Cosplayers are not models per se, and are not there to cater for photographers trying to get creative shots. Even if the event is public, some consideration must be made as to how to approach the cosplayers for photographs in the first place.

    If there are truly no issues, that thread would not exist in the first place. Maybe we should organise a workshop on photography etiquette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexlord View Post
    Actually I am all for such events being private, +1 to Eikin for bringing this up.

    Cosplayers are not models per se, and are not there to cater for photographers trying to get creative shots. Even if the event is public, some consideration must be made as to how to approach the cosplayers for photographs in the first place.

    If there are truly no issues, that thread would not exist in the first place. Maybe we should organise a workshop on photography etiquette.
    for workshop on photography etiquette.. sumting new yet very IMPORTANT.

    aiyoo guys.. cool down lah...

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    Quote Originally Posted by leejay View Post
    This is a public event in a weekend on top of Vivocity where families and foreign workers usually take a break in the weekends and you said this is 'not open'? What do you expect? You expect zero photographer? Or zero people shooting, including the maids and children who want to pose with the cosplayers? When things are public, you have to accept the fact that there will be all sorts of people around. How many photographers can you stop? When you tell one photographer "Hey, no photography please", many photographers are still snapping you from afar. And how do you determine that a person with a DSLR will pester a cosplayer more than a person with a point&shoot? What do you mean by private invitation? The black sheep can also apply to the private invitation and irritate the cosplayers too. Further, if you make Singapore's Cosplay private and isolate photography, you are just making it worse. You want a vibrant cosplay culture that can grow? Then you cannot close yourself up. I thought you are in Japan where cosplay flourishes? And you suggest this kind of close-up policy which will hinder development? Did you attend the cosplay event at Vivocity on Sunday? Did you see that there are Japanese, Taiwanese, and Chinese tourists/photographers around? Go ahead! Make the event private lor, and see what will happen. At least I am sure that some of the photos of this cosplay event will appear in other countries' cosplay sites.
    dun need to hide behind close doors, just a venue that they can control the crowd is fine and if got black sheep they can still throw the person out. Your point that if you stop one, the others will still shoot, that will tell you how bad the mannerism here is.

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