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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexlord View Post
    Just something I noticed recently:

    http://sgcafe.com/showthread.php?t=46489
    aiyoo... why like that. This is serious. soo bad for photog, especially for CSers..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garion View Post
    Agree with you especially on your last point. It seems like more and more CS event shooters attending such events are treating these cosplayers as "free models" or like the product promoters at IT fairs/car shows. First of all, let me highlight that cosplayers and product promoters are two distinctly different entities...product promoters are paid to do their job, look pretty and to face the cameras etc. but cosplayers are doing it mainly as a hobby. Sure, if you want to snap them, yes by all means, but a shot or two is fine, and don't "hog" them or pester them to do "funny" poses or such. They aren't your personal models at your beck and call. You want profesisonal models to pose to your every whim and fancy, go for the CS paid model shoots.

    I would also like to highlight that in general, photographer's etiquettes and code of conduct at such events is gradually going down the drain. Reports of the "ugly" face of photographers rearing its head at such events abound. Taking unauthorised pictures, from "funny" angles (read: indecent angles), not thanking the person after shooting him/her, jumping in w/o permission to shoot, "hogging" or following the person around or pestering him/her for pics etc.

    Let me relate one personal experience at such cosplay events. Once I wanted to shoot a cosplayer after asking permission, but this jerk came in, elbowed me, and started snapping away and behaving like he was the ONLY photog around, and he hogged the cosplayer like for 2-3 mins, and only left after I glared at him. Some photogs also did not give the cosplayer any sufficient rest after they pose for a while, especially while holding their heavy weapon props, and continue snapping happily away, and after that just leave without uttering a word of thanks.

    I think all photogs should be aware of the general code of conduct and most importantly you must realise how you present yourself to the public and other non photographers in general. Don't make a bad name for all other photographers just because of your irresponsible and selfish acts.

    Who knows one fine day maybe all photographers might be banned from attending such events!
    i can understand if he desperate enough to shoot...but to elbow thru....it way too much
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    Well, the actions of a few (or many, depending on who you asked) ruined the reputation I guess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by freedom View Post
    3 shots? that's too much lah. max 2 shots ok? if after 2 shots still lousy, well that's your luck!
    Uh, you seem very pissed. Relak la, okay? Cheers~

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKYimage View Post
    aiyoo... why like that. This is serious. soo bad for photog, especially for CSers..
    i think the cosplayers do realise that many photographers who attended their event do surf in this forum as well. but CS is made up of so many different photographers, so we shouldn't be too alarmed, or look at this as if it is about one forum against another. most are mature enough to identify where the problem lies and not make generalizations. members here have come forward to speak up against bad practices as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garion View Post
    Agree with you especially on your last point. It seems like more and more CS event shooters attending such events are treating these cosplayers as "free models" or like the product promoters at IT fairs/car shows. First of all, let me highlight that cosplayers and product promoters are two distinctly different entities...product promoters are paid to do their job, look pretty and to face the cameras etc. but cosplayers are doing it mainly as a hobby. Sure, if you want to snap them, yes by all means, but a shot or two is fine, and don't "hog" them or pester them to do "funny" poses or such. They aren't your personal models at your beck and call. You want profesisonal models to pose to your every whim and fancy, go for the CS paid model shoots.

    I would also like to highlight that in general, photographer's etiquettes and code of conduct at such events is gradually going down the drain. Reports of the "ugly" face of photographers rearing its head at such events abound. Taking unauthorised pictures, from "funny" angles (read: indecent angles), not thanking the person after shooting him/her, jumping in w/o permission to shoot, "hogging" or following the person around or pestering him/her for pics etc.

    Let me relate one personal experience at such cosplay events. Once I wanted to shoot a cosplayer after asking permission, but this jerk came in, elbowed me, and started snapping away and behaving like he was the ONLY photog around, and he hogged the cosplayer like for 2-3 mins, and only left after I glared at him. Some photogs also did not give the cosplayer any sufficient rest after they pose for a while, especially while holding their heavy weapon props, and continue snapping happily away, and after that just leave without uttering a word of thanks.

    I think all photogs should be aware of the general code of conduct and most importantly you must realise how you present yourself to the public and other non photographers in general. Don't make a bad name for all other photographers just because of your irresponsible and selfish acts.

    Who knows one fine day maybe all photographers might be banned from attending such events!
    this ugly photographer who started all this is brainless he is not aware of the laws in this Singapore... wait kenna go changi chalet eat black bean rice !

    if my siao-on policeman fren is present during the event and caught that guy taking indecent photos.. that photographer will have been arrested on site.. he can say bye bye to his clean record in this Singapore... so sad to end up court for a hobby gone wrong..

    on the other thought, i also wonder why some need to shoot so heavily ? your pictures so important meh ? maybe after that u go home also delete most of it...
    Last edited by raincool2005; 17th March 2008 at 04:08 PM.

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    One way about it is to ask permission before taking their pic. Most cosplayers will agree to having their picture taken unless they are tired or in need of going to the restroom or about to go off to have their meals. In such cases, they will tell you very politely that it's not a good time (if they just walk off, they're probably tired) but hey, you can always try later when they're more into their character. From my experience asking them for permission and saying thanks to the cosplayers helps.

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    There are some good general rules to go by in almost any situation.
    - Ask for permission, be courtesy, and always put on a smile
    - Do not block someone else's view of the event
    - Never be rude
    - Do not put yourself or anyone else in danger by your actions
    - Do not expect special treatment
    - When in doubt if something is ok - ASK


    Playing by the rules will make the experience much better for everyone involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKYimage View Post
    There are some good general rules to go by in almost any situation.
    - Ask for permission, be courtesy, and always put on a smile
    - Do not block someone else's view of the event
    - Never be rude
    - Do not put yourself or anyone else in danger by your actions
    - Do not expect special treatment
    - When in doubt if something is ok - ASK


    Playing by the rules will make the experience much better for everyone involved.
    unfortunately.. some never learned... very low on EQ.

    models tell him not to video liao, but still doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raincool2005 View Post
    unfortunately.. some never learned... very low on EQ.

    models tell him not to video liao, but still doing it.
    i think not low EQ or IQ, but the braincell had been placed on the butt.. (ooopz, hope doesn't sound soo vulgar)

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    This is all because of one word which is deeply entrenched in our national psyche:

    Kiasu


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    Quote Originally Posted by raincool2005 View Post
    unfortunately.. some never learned... very low on EQ.

    models tell him not to video liao, but still doing it.
    now is videographer, not photographer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKYimage View Post
    There are some good general rules to go by in almost any situation.
    - Ask for permission, be courtesy, and always put on a smile
    - Do not block someone else's view of the event
    - Never be rude
    - Do not put yourself or anyone else in danger by your actions
    - Do not expect special treatment
    - When in doubt if something is ok - ASK


    Playing by the rules will make the experience much better for everyone involved.
    Actually this list also applies to other events. Have had the unpleasant experience of being pushed or shoved by someone who wanted my spot. If you were to ask, I would have moved. Wonder why are some so kiasu to the point that general courtesy is thrown out the window...

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    I tink organisers hav to enforce a few rules.

    1. Charge photography fees.
    2. No flash allowed.
    3. min effective focal length is 100mm
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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    I tink organisers hav to enforce a few rules.

    1. Charge photography fees.
    2. No flash allowed.
    3. min effective focal length is 100mm
    1) organiser smiling to the bank, or bankrupt
    2) kinda useless to tell them this, esp if u need effects
    3) worse, some zoom lense can zoom further, and my 135mm look like a 50mm. And i doubt organisers know what lens focal length is anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    I tink organisers hav to enforce a few rules.

    1. Charge photography fees.
    2. No flash allowed.
    3. min effective focal length is 100mm
    and no ladders or chairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    1) organiser smiling to the bank, or bankrupt
    2) kinda useless to tell them this, esp if u need effects
    3) worse, some zoom lense can zoom further, and my 135mm look like a 50mm. And i doubt organisers know what lens focal length is anyway.
    You organise cosplay for others to appreciate, not for photogs mah.

    Photography fees is to deter "free-for-all" orgy by restricting photogs. Some of those cosplayers are stressed out with constant photography...even models/talents have rest.
    Restriction of flash is because they are not talents/models anyway, why must they suffer paparazzi cams flashing.

    Third point is just joking lah... but the idea is to have sufficient distance between photogs and cosplayers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    I tink organisers hav to enforce a few rules.

    1. Charge photography fees.
    2. No flash allowed.
    3. min effective focal length is 100mm
    4. Queue up behind the yellow line to take pictures
    5. Safety distance of 2 meters from the subject. No squatting/proning/extreme low angle allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garion View Post
    5. Safety distance of 2 meters from the subject. No squatting/proning/extreme low angle allowed.
    What if you get an extremely short photographer shooting an extremely tall model?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenscapes View Post
    and no ladders or chairs.
    One photographer standing on top of the shoulders of another one can?

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