used sony Z1 cost?

sundazz · 2nd March 2008

Anyone know roughly how much will a used set of sony Z1 cost?

samvision · 2nd March 2008

Originally Posted by sundazz

Anyone know roughly how much will a used set of sony Z1 cost?

you might be looking at 3.5k to 4k ...
as the new z1 will be about 6.5k ...
can check out the price at expandore...

been thinking about getting XHa1 compare to Z1...
any opinon..

sundazz · 3rd March 2008

Originally Posted by samvision

you might be looking at 3.5k to 4k ...
as the new z1 will be about 6.5k ...
can check out the price at expandore...

been thinking about getting XHa1 compare to Z1...
any opinon..

actaully i have also been comparing between Sony Z1 and canon XHA1. i was attracted by the price and the zoom (20x) on XHA1.. but a fren offerring me a Z1 used set with low running hours at $4k++.

Anyone any commends between Z1 & XHA1 interms of quality and any other features?

anyone any used set for XHA1? i am interested too.

cheers

jaegersing · 3rd March 2008

Here's some points of comparision from my own experience (limited as far as Z1 is concerned). You could also try asking VC at the VideoLifestyle forums. He has both of these cams.

The Z1 has separate motors for zoom and focus, the XH-A1 has only one. This causes a problem when you are in autofocus mode and then try to zoom. The focus tends to drift in and out. (Solution is easy - just don't use auto-focus - but it is an XH-A1 limitation nonetheless).

The Z1 has shot transition which is wonderful. You can set up 2 shots, with different focus point, zoom level and even exposure settings, and then transition between them over a selectable time interval. The XH-A1 can transition between 2 focus points or 2 zoom levels, but not both at the same time.

Battery life is similar for the 2 cams.

The EVF eyecup on the XH-A1 is useless, and you cannot see anything in bright sunlight if, like me, you wear specs. The Z1 has a big rubber cup that works great. What saves the XH-A1 though is that you can buy a Z1 eyecup and it fits nicely over the top of the XH-A1 cup. It's simple but brilliant!

The Z1 has a much better and bigger LCD panel than the A1. But since my previous cam was an XL2 which only has an EVF, the XH-A1 panel was a big stepup for me and I find it is OK. Useless in bright sunlight though, unless you buy a hood.

The XH-A1 has many parameters that you can adjust to change the appearance of the image. This allows you to get a certain feel or look. It also helps to compensate for particular or difficult lighting conditions. Bit of a learning curve but definitely worth it. There are also many user presets that you can download for free if you don't want to make your own. I don't know much about the corresponding Z1 features, sorry.

The XH-A1 has a nice big aperture ring that I use all the time to control exposure. 99% of the time I use 1/50s shutter speed, and adjust the aperture on the fly, as necessary, while shooting. Of course there are AUTO (auto aperture and shutter), TV (auto aperture), AV (auto shutter) and full Manual modes as well. Z1 has aperture adjustment but I think it uses a small wheel at the front of the cam. I believe the XH-A1 adjustment should be finer but don't know that for a fact.

XH-A1 has much better implementation of progressive mode than Z1 does. Although they both use interlaced CCDs, the XH-A1 25F does a better job of producing the 25p cadence, and with little loss of vertical resolution.

I considered the Z1 (for a long time) and then ended up buying the XH-A1. Reason? It has a sharper picture and better colours than the Z1. Bottom line is that both cameras are good, and I would be happy to use a Z1 if I didn't have the XH-A1. Would prefer to have the lens of the EX1 even more though......

DXNMedia · 3rd March 2008

What I hate about my HVR-Z1...

Motorised Zoom....laggy zoom response.
Stepped iris...cannot control smooth open/closing of iris.
Cannot control CH1 as onboard & Ch2 as boom or vice versa....so you're limited to using EITHER onboard mics or XLR inputs.

What i like about my HVR-Z1...
Handy...not too big, not too small...
Good batt life..
Compatible with my existing DVCAM gears & my old PD150's F970 batts & chargers...
LCD screen impressive as I can still view in extremely bright sunlight with options to off backlit.
Cam can still be configured to capture decent ambience audio with onboard stereo mic.

Most important reason why I chose HVR-Z1...
Other than equipment compatibility, Z1 allows to shoot in 50/60i mode, which serves my purpose for footage acquisition for both the PAL & NTSC systems since I do serve some regional market.
Plus, Sony professional broadcast equipment holds their value more than any other equipment manufacturers should you want to sell them off for future upgrades.

Sundazz, for $4k+, I think the HVR-Z1 is quite a good buy.
Richard, sorry, but talking about XH-A1 as "A1" may be misleading coz for a moment, coz I thought we're talking about the HVR-A1 from Sony..

jaegersing · 3rd March 2008

Originally Posted by DXNMedia

Richard, sorry, but talking about XH-A1 as "A1" may be misleading coz for a moment, coz I thought we're talking about the HVR-A1 from Sony..

OK Dixon, point taken. I've edited my post to make it clearer.

DXNMedia · 3rd March 2008

hehheheh, no worries Richard....in the context, I should have known you're referring to the XH-A1.

jaegersing · 3rd March 2008

OK, no problem, I used copy and paste to change it quickly.

samvision · 3rd March 2008

Originally Posted by sundazz

actaully i have also been comparing between Sony Z1 and canon XHA1. i was attracted by the price and the zoom (20x) on XHA1.. but a fren offerring me a Z1 used set with low running hours at $4k++.

Anyone any commends between Z1 & XHA1 interms of quality and any other features?

anyone any used set for XHA1? i am interested too.

cheers

i am interested to get a z1 ... is your friend still selling ?

engr · 4th March 2008

Grab it!!!

sundazz · 4th March 2008

Originally Posted by samvision

i am interested to get a z1 ... is your friend still selling ?

Originally Posted by engr

Grab it!!!

oh.. sorry sam.. likely i am going to grab it for myself..

samvision · 4th March 2008

Originally Posted by sundazz

oh.. sorry sam.. likely i am going to grab it for myself..

no worry...i will be trying the camera...need to get a new hdv camera?
most likely will go with z1...as sony got more accessories compare to canon

KCBox · 12th March 2008

Im going to sale my V1P at low price. PM me

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3rd March 2008	#4
jaegersing Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,137	Re: used sony Z1 cost? Here's some points of comparision from my own experience (limited as far as Z1 is concerned). You could also try asking VC at the VideoLifestyle forums. He has both of these cams. The Z1 has separate motors for zoom and focus, the XH-A1 has only one. This causes a problem when you are in autofocus mode and then try to zoom. The focus tends to drift in and out. (Solution is easy - just don't use auto-focus - but it is an XH-A1 limitation nonetheless). The Z1 has shot transition which is wonderful. You can set up 2 shots, with different focus point, zoom level and even exposure settings, and then transition between them over a selectable time interval. The XH-A1 can transition between 2 focus points or 2 zoom levels, but not both at the same time. Battery life is similar for the 2 cams. The EVF eyecup on the XH-A1 is useless, and you cannot see anything in bright sunlight if, like me, you wear specs. The Z1 has a big rubber cup that works great. What saves the XH-A1 though is that you can buy a Z1 eyecup and it fits nicely over the top of the XH-A1 cup. It's simple but brilliant! The Z1 has a much better and bigger LCD panel than the A1. But since my previous cam was an XL2 which only has an EVF, the XH-A1 panel was a big stepup for me and I find it is OK. Useless in bright sunlight though, unless you buy a hood. The XH-A1 has many parameters that you can adjust to change the appearance of the image. This allows you to get a certain feel or look. It also helps to compensate for particular or difficult lighting conditions. Bit of a learning curve but definitely worth it. There are also many user presets that you can download for free if you don't want to make your own. I don't know much about the corresponding Z1 features, sorry. The XH-A1 has a nice big aperture ring that I use all the time to control exposure. 99% of the time I use 1/50s shutter speed, and adjust the aperture on the fly, as necessary, while shooting. Of course there are AUTO (auto aperture and shutter), TV (auto aperture), AV (auto shutter) and full Manual modes as well. Z1 has aperture adjustment but I think it uses a small wheel at the front of the cam. I believe the XH-A1 adjustment should be finer but don't know that for a fact. XH-A1 has much better implementation of progressive mode than Z1 does. Although they both use interlaced CCDs, the XH-A1 25F does a better job of producing the 25p cadence, and with little loss of vertical resolution. I considered the Z1 (for a long time) and then ended up buying the XH-A1. Reason? It has a sharper picture and better colours than the Z1. Bottom line is that both cameras are good, and I would be happy to use a Z1 if I didn't have the XH-A1. Would prefer to have the lens of the EX1 even more though...... Last edited by jaegersing; 3rd March 2008 at 04:56 PM.

3rd March 2008	#5
DXNMedia Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 663	Re: used sony Z1 cost? What I hate about my HVR-Z1... Motorised Zoom....laggy zoom response. Stepped iris...cannot control smooth open/closing of iris. Cannot control CH1 as onboard & Ch2 as boom or vice versa....so you're limited to using EITHER onboard mics or XLR inputs. What i like about my HVR-Z1... Handy...not too big, not too small... Good batt life.. Compatible with my existing DVCAM gears & my old PD150's F970 batts & chargers... LCD screen impressive as I can still view in extremely bright sunlight with options to off backlit. Cam can still be configured to capture decent ambience audio with onboard stereo mic. Most important reason why I chose HVR-Z1... Other than equipment compatibility, Z1 allows to shoot in 50/60i mode, which serves my purpose for footage acquisition for both the PAL & NTSC systems since I do serve some regional market. Plus, Sony professional broadcast equipment holds their value more than any other equipment manufacturers should you want to sell them off for future upgrades. Sundazz, for $4k+, I think the HVR-Z1 is quite a good buy. Richard, sorry, but talking about XH-A1 as "A1" may be misleading coz for a moment, coz I thought we're talking about the HVR-A1 from Sony.. __________________ DXNMedia.net Post Production \| Video Acquisition \| Tape Transfers \| Microwave RF Camera Services Last edited by DXNMedia; 3rd March 2008 at 04:54 PM.

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DXNMedia Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 663	Re: used sony Z1 cost? hehheheh, no worries Richard....in the context, I should have known you're referring to the XH-A1. __________________ DXNMedia.net Post Production \| Video Acquisition \| Tape Transfers \| Microwave RF Camera Services

3rd March 2008	#8
jaegersing Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,137	Re: used sony Z1 cost? OK, no problem, I used copy and paste to change it quickly.

4th March 2008	#10
engr Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Central Posts: 800	Re: used sony Z1 cost? Grab it!!!

12th March 2008	#13
KCBox Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: West Coast Posts: 345	Re: used sony Z1 cost? Im going to sale my V1P at low price. PM me