D60 VS D40x

[stonedx]

Seems like the price for both are the same. Or even so, I got quote from some shops that gave me prices of D60 being cheaper. by a few dollars. So which one will you guys buy?
from my understanding is D60 kit is 18-55mm VR. Whereas D40x is not. So which body will you guys buy since both the price is the same?

[psychobiologist]

Originally Posted by stonedx Seems like the price for both are the same. Or even so, I got quote from some shops that gave me prices of D60 being cheaper. by a few dollars. So which one will you guys buy? from my understanding is D60 kit is 18-55mm VR. Whereas D40x is not. So which body will you guys buy since both the price is the same?

kinda obvious no? d60 way to go!!

after all the 18-55 VR retails for abt 290-300 on its own... the 18-55 non-vr is 100-130 in buy/sell

[night86mare]

Originally Posted by psychobiologist kinda obvious no? d60 way to go!! after all the 18-55 VR retails for abt 290-300 on its own... the 18-55 non-vr is 100-130 in buy/sell

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krw says screw d40x and d60, go for d40

Quote: The Nikon D60 is a "sucker" camera sold mostly to people who are not professional photographers, but who are impressed by meaningless megapixels. Megapixels have nothing to do with picture quality. The less expensive D40 is the same thing as the D60, but better. The D40 is the professional's vacation camera. It's what I take when I'm on vacation or with family, too. The D60 exists to allow Nikon to sell a camera in the $750 price range to less experienced people who feel better spending $750 on a camera than spending $470 on the superior D40. If you're smart enough to be researching cameras from people like me who are here to help you instead of trying to sell you an expensive camera, just get the D40. If you want to spend $750, get a D40 and more lenses or flash. For instance, for sports, get a D40 and the excellent 70-300mm VR, or get the less expensive, and also excellent, 55-200mm VR for general telephoto use. I wouldn't buy a D60 or a D40x. I would buy, and actually did buy, the superior and least expensive D40, which today sells for only about $470 complete with an absolutely excellent non-VR lens. The least expensive D40 has twice the sensitivity to light (ISO 200 base vs. ISO 100 base) and over twice the flash sync speed (1/500 vs. 1/200). The other features, like pixels and dust reduction, are just fluff. I've never had a dirt problem with my D40, and I change lenses a lot and have made 25,000 shots on my D40.

[Anatta]

I think the real dilemma is between D40 or D60
Anyone know the price for D40 with 18-55 VR lens??? Is the VR really working???
Thx.

[ijnek]

i read tat too...
now also considerin his opinion...
d40 with afs 18-200mm vr lens?

[catchlights]

buy a D300, so you wouldn't have to be in a dilemma

[zambik]

I'm sure the D40x with kit lens (without VR) is retailing at about $100+ less than the D60 (with VR kit lens) at the moment. The D40 should be another $100+ lesser than the D40x. Think you should scout around the forums for some pricing if not kenna chopped like a carrot...

The other day I was at the shop buying my D40x, a caucasian lady was mentioning to the shop owner that she just bought her D40 for a whooping 1.2k!!! Really chopped left right center lor...

[mogwai]

hi stonedx

i'm guessing from your question that you don't yet have a dslr?

if i'm right, then you've really opened a big can of worms - and it's not only down to comparing d40x vs d60.

if you don't already own a dslr, you've got a lot more to consider.

since u're here ('Nkon'), we'll recommend you a nikon based on what your budget or needs are - folk here would love to 'buy' your lenses for u too!

but have u even considered other brands?

to your specific questions. d60 is actually cheaper than d40x (whoever quotes u the other way is trying to fleece u). atm, it's roughly sgd 100 to 120 difference. if i'm still in school and starting serious photog, don't know how to use a dslr, don't have other lenses etc, i'll buy the d40x - honestly.

[surefire]

Originally Posted by stonedx Seems like the price for both are the same. Or even so, I got quote from some shops that gave me prices of D60 being cheaper. by a few dollars. So which one will you guys buy? from my understanding is D60 kit is 18-55mm VR. Whereas D40x is not. So which body will you guys buy since both the price is the same?

D60 is priced at close to the old D40x price but both D40 and D40x prices have now dropped. Mustafa's prices are: D40 kit $799; D40x kit $989 and D60 kit $1049. Only the D60 comes with the VR lens. I would forget about the D40x which has been discontinued. Choose between the D40 and the D60. The $250 difference will get you the VR-version of the lens, 4MP more, sensor cleaning and Expeed processing - not too bad a deal.

[night86mare]

Originally Posted by surefire D60 is priced at close to the old D40x price but both D40 and D40x prices have now dropped. Mustafa's prices are: D40 kit $799; D40x kit $989 and D60 kit $1049. Only the D60 comes with the VR lens. I would forget about the D40x which has been discontinued. Choose between the D40 and the D60. The $250 difference will get you the VR-version of the lens, 4MP more, sensor cleaning and Expeed processing - not too bad a deal.

true, but note, 4mp doesn't mean anything in these days

image quality =/= megapixels

best to compare that first..

[surefire]

Originally Posted by night86mare true, but note, 4mp doesn't mean anything in these days image quality =/= megapixels best to compare that first..

I think it depends. Going from 10MP to 12MP or from 20MP to 24MP prob won't make much difference but going from 6MP to 10MP is quite a big increase (66.7%). More importantly, at 6MP, you are prob not using the sensor to its full capability - at 10MP, you can still get low-noise photos at high ISOs. Having the extra MPs also gives you more scope for cropping and effectively extending the reach of the lens.

[catchlights]

how many photos you ever printed bigger the 4R? even a 6MP camera can print a 12"x18" photo nicely.

if you go anything bigger, you eyes won't able to tell the difference.

so the end question is, do you really want more than what you need??

[nikonmonster]

Hmm, this megapixel debate is a dead horse lah. Flogged to death. I think it's fair to say that the extra 4 MP offers you more flexibility in cropping, but for most intents and purposes, no great leap in image quality. As it is, there will be some who will use the D60 and take at 6 MP because of file size constraints. For these people, obviously there's no necessity to get the D60 over the D40 if MP is the only factor.

However, at current prices, and I have been quoted $950 for the D60 with VR lens, you are paying merely $150 more for the D60 kit compared to the D40 kit. Leaving aside the MP issue, the D60 offers dust removal, some new nifty engine, VR on the kit lens, active d-lighting, etc. I think even if D60 offered only 6 MP, it's a slightly better deal than D40.

It would be another question altogether if D40 cost < $600. But we haven't reached that stage yet.

[ijnek]

other abt the other functions of d60?
worth the difference in $$$?

[mogwai]

i didn't know about stop-motion function in d60

but when the phrase came out of a particular seller's mouth, a young dslr beginner was instantly sold! apparently, it'll help her with her school projects.

[surefire]

Originally Posted by catchlights how many photos you ever printed bigger the 4R? even a 6MP camera can print a 12"x18" photo nicely. if you go anything bigger, you eyes won't able to tell the difference. so the end question is, do you really want more than what you need??

again, even if you do not print bigger than 4R, the extra MP gives you more options for cropping. At 6MP, the dimensions are 3008 X 2000. You can only crop to 1800 X 1200 max for printing at 4R. For 10MP, the starting point is 3872 X 2592. Of course if you can frame perfectly everytime, there's no need to crop but this is not always possible.

The higher MP also effectively gives your camera more telephoto reach. With a 10MP camera, I can use a 200mm lens and crop to 6MP to give an eqivalent of a 300mm lens on a 6MP camera. Of course you can't keep on adding pixels because it will eventually add noise. But it's been proven that 10MP is easily handled by an APS-C sized sensor. Anything less is a waste of the sensor's capabilities.

[night86mare]

Originally Posted by surefire again, even if you do not print bigger than 4R, the extra MP gives you more options for cropping. At 6MP, the dimensions are 3008 X 2000. You can only crop to 1800 X 1200 max for printing at 4R. For 10MP, the starting point is 3872 X 2592. Of course if you can frame perfectly everytime, there's no need to crop but this is not always possible. The higher MP also effectively gives your camera more telephoto reach. With a 10MP camera, I can use a 200mm lens and crop to 6MP to give an eqivalent of a 300mm lens on a 6MP camera. Of course you can't keep on adding pixels because it will eventually add noise. But it's been proven that 10MP is easily handled by an APS-C sized sensor. Anything less is a waste of the sensor's capabilities.

to be honest, the noise handling facilities of a 6 megapixel sensor versus 10 mgp, there is no contest.

certainly cropping freedom is there, but i think we should not rely too much on this point since it is like having a crutch for improper technique when framing in the first place, unless you do think that it is a good practice to end up cropping every photo.

the point is - get what you need. just because something is marginally cheaper (a lot more bang for buck) for more features doesn't mean it'd cater to your needs.

[bernier]

D60 new features over D40x:
-EXPEED image processor (better noise control)
-Auto Rotate View image screen for picture playback
-Stop Motion Movie feature
-Self cleaning sensor

D60 is a no brainer if compare to D40x.

[surefire]

Originally Posted by night86mare to be honest, the noise handling facilities of a 6 megapixel sensor versus 10 mgp, there is no contest.

It's not so simple...lol. If you are comparing 2 cameras that were identical except for the MPs, then the 6MP may have less noise than the 10MP. In this case, you are comparing a 6MP camera that is using noise reduction routines over a year old vs the latest noise reduction on the 10MP camera. From early tests, users have commented that there's been improvement even over the D40x.

Originally Posted by night86mare unless you do think that it is a good practice to end up cropping every photo.

most certainly not! but it is good to have the freedom to do so when you need it.

also, like i said, it's not always possible to frame perfectly. if, for example, you wanted to shoot a ship from the shore, a lens on the 10MP camera will bring you closer than the same lens on a 6MP camera after cropping.

Originally Posted by night86mare the point is - get what you need. just because something is marginally cheaper (a lot more bang for buck) for more features doesn't mean it'd cater to your needs.

no argument there. what i merely wanted to point out was that it's wrong to say that having the extra 4MB "does not mean anything". it can sometimes help you to get the picture you want. whether the OP deems it worthwhile to pay for this is an entirely different matter.

[jming]

I prefer D60. The main reason is not the body but the VR lens. From my perspective, buying a DSLR is mainly to make big decisions of your future lens (or perhaps I would warn you a bunch of money will flow away after the first purchase). At this moment, I think most of people's choices are either Canon or Nikon. Comparing Nikon's D40, D40x and D60, at this moment, may be a good topic in fashion, but I bet after another 2 years, nobody will be interested in this kind of comparison because *ALL* of three are roughly the same at the entry level.

Since D60 comes latest, with VR lens. And VR lens really helps you to take photos without tripod. So why don't you get the latest D60?