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    I find that all this call about Minister being responsible is not without merit, however the issue is "how" is the Minister going to be responsible, not only for the fact that Mas have escaped, but more importantly what's the follow up action(s) taken to correct the situation. (In this "correction", it also also implies re-capturing of Mas).

    The first point of failure in Mas escape can be mitigated in such that the minister is not ommipresent. As such the COI have sufficiently answered it's shortfalls.

    However, it leaves the second point much to be desired especially attention and focus was specially given after mobilising so much resources. I believe such level of mobilisation would only be approved at ministerial level.
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    Also, allow me to put it in a more "twisted" way.

    Mas is a "Talent", there might be many more with his ideology but I believe little with his capability.

    So this means capturing of Mas is critical at this point. Not only to protect our country's physical security, but psychologically it is sending out a message that Sg isn't as tight at it was thought to be and this might encourage attempts of terrorism in Sg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yappy View Post
    I cannot not agree with you. If a new minister is appointed, he or she will start a new learning curve!
    This I disagree.

    The good thing about Sg is that, at that level, there is no such thing as a "new" learning curve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    like that chum liao

    the us definitely cannot move on,cannot forgive and cannot forget

    osama didn't even get caught once

    talk about US... did any head(s) roll in the case of osama and/or 911?
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    1 thing i find wierd is news indicated MAS abandon his clothes after climbing over the covered corridor.
    Why was dog unit not called in immediately to sniff him out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaxh81 View Post
    1 thing i find wierd is news indicated MAS abandon his clothes after climbing over the covered corridor.
    Why was dog unit not called in immediately to sniff him out?
    he peppered his clothes.
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    I think just let the matter rest. Dont rub it in. The guy is claimed to have miraculously escaped against all odds ( edited - too controversial statement) then just after a period of time, find him back again.

    No need for extended tv coverage of politicians explaining and other politicians asking questions. No need to suggest action against anybody.

    When you read/hear/watch about this story, I will just say - use your common sense and your built-in crap filter to decide what to believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    I think just let the matter rest. Dont rub it in. The guy is claimed to have miraculously escaped against all odds ( edited - too controversial statement) then just after a period of time, find him back again.

    No need for extended tv coverage of politicians explaining and other politicians asking questions. No need to suggest action against anybody.

    When you read/hear/watch about this story, I will just say - use your common sense and your built-in crap filter to decide what to believe.
    I agreed with you whole heartedly.

    Let the matter rest.

    May I suggest that the thread be closed.. just a suggestion....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    This I disagree.

    The good thing about Sg is that, at that level, there is no such thing as a "new" learning curve.
    I maybe wrong, but I think they start at a different level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    well

    do you think locking them up or executing them solves anything?

    cut one down, another will rise

    the root of the problem is not solved.. take away one mas selamat, there will be another one.
    It is true that "cut one down, another will rise", however, don't cut this one down, 10 or 100 or ... will rise. That is the different between a leader and a follower. This is just like solving world hunger, no solution, just can minimize. Take out as many of the "good" (bad) leaders, the problem will be able to minimize, not an easy task either.

    Any for this case, taking responsibility doesn't mean one need to resign, there are many ways. If NO action taken on oneself, than that person didn't taken up the responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yappy View Post
    I maybe wrong, but I think they start at a different level.
    We alway have ministers switching ministries, do they need new learning curve? Do you think they do all the ground work by themselves? They just endorse the policies and even their speeches are prepared for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    I think just let the matter rest. Dont rub it in. The guy is claimed to have miraculously escaped against all odds ( edited - too controversial statement) then just after a period of time, find him back again.

    No need for extended tv coverage of politicians explaining and other politicians asking questions. No need to suggest action against anybody.

    When you read/hear/watch about this story, I will just say - use your common sense and your built-in crap filter to decide what to believe.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yappy View Post
    I agreed with you whole heartedly.

    Let the matter rest.

    May I suggest that the thread be closed.. just a suggestion....

    yeah... close at least until we get first strike... as mentioned by someone... it's not "if" but "when".

    And hopefully it's not him behind it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvxing View Post
    It is true that "cut one down, another will rise", however, don't cut this one down, 10 or 100 or ... will rise. That is the different between a leader and a follower. This is just like solving world hunger, no solution, just can minimize. Take out as many of the "good" (bad) leaders, the problem will be able to minimize, not an easy task either.

    Any for this case, taking responsibility doesn't mean one need to resign, there are many ways. If NO action taken on oneself, than that person didn't taken up the responsibility.
    and how are you sure?

    there was this very interesting book that traced the history of various terrorist organisations, one very interesting point was that - sometimes when you took down a mediocre leader for the sake of "fighting terrorism"; a previously unknown and much more intelligent threat cropped up. and that led to incidents that may not have happened without the removal of the mediocre leader - a chain reaction if you will.

    solve the root of the cause - as always this is more or less linked to education. by this i do not mean that lowly educated people are more likely to become terrorists - but i'm sure you know that the reasons why they embrace their cause is usually due to a warped and twisted interpretation of religion fed to them; compound that with discontentment and poverty and a way out, voila, you get terrorism. i do not support terrorism, mind you, but i do not deny for one second that there is probably a story behind it. if people are happy in the first place, i am sure they have better things to do than run around blowing up buildings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    and how are you sure?

    there was this very interesting book that traced the history of various terrorist organisations, one very interesting point was that - sometimes when you took down a mediocre leader for the sake of "fighting terrorism"; a previously unknown and much more intelligent threat cropped up. and that led to incidents that may not have happened without the removal of the mediocre leader - a chain reaction if you will.

    solve the root of the cause - as always this is more or less linked to education. by this i do not mean that lowly educated people are more likely to become terrorists - but i'm sure you know that the reasons why they embrace their cause is usually due to a warped and twisted interpretation of religion fed to them; compound that with discontentment and poverty and a way out, voila, you get terrorism. i do not support terrorism, mind you, but i do not deny for one second that there is probably a story behind it. if people are happy in the first place, i am sure they have better things to do than run around blowing up buildings.

    very very true...

    But how do you know who is medicore? And even then, medicore is still a threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    very very true...

    But how do you know who is medicore? And even then, medicore is still a threat.
    less of a threat than not-so-mediocre

    but i think perhaps a detailed in-depth discussion of terrorism is not really appropriate here.

    yesterday on the plane to london i watched this show called "charles wilson's war", being usually uninterested in history i have never heard of him, but apparently he was in short, the driving force behind us support of the afghanistan side in the soviet war in afghanistan.

    the quote at the end of the movie, when he was lobbying for education in afghanistan and failling miserably, was probably one of the best and succinct when it comes to summing up america's handling of world affairs:

    “These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world … and then we f***ed up the end game.”

    food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    less of a threat than not-so-mediocre

    but i think perhaps a detailed in-depth discussion of terrorism is not really appropriate here.

    “These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world … and then we f***ed up the end game.”

    food for thought.


    True, here is not a place for such discussions. And I agree with the quote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    ...yesterday on the plane to london i watched this show called "charles wilson's war".....
    They ran out of Edison Chen's inflight movies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    They ran out of Edison Chen's inflight movies?
    lol..

    i don't think they had any with him inside

    although i'm pretty sure i saw someone in front of me looking at edison's photos.. how thoughtful of sia might have been my imagination though!

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    Live the DPM Wong to do his job to re-capture Mas Salemat. We must wonder if he is now living in fear that Mas will seek his family out for revenge. So let's give him whatever left of a respect and confidence behind him.

    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    I find that all this call about Minister being responsible is not without merit, however the issue is "how" is the Minister going to be responsible, not only for the fact that Mas have escaped, but more importantly what's the follow up action(s) taken to correct the situation. (In this "correction", it also also implies re-capturing of Mas).

    The first point of failure in Mas escape can be mitigated in such that the minister is not ommipresent. As such the COI have sufficiently answered it's shortfalls.

    However, it leaves the second point much to be desired especially attention and focus was specially given after mobilising so much resources. I believe such level of mobilisation would only be approved at ministerial level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwitan View Post
    Live the DPM Wong to do his job to re-capture Mas Salemat. We must wonder if he is now living in fear that Mas will seek his family out for revenge. So let's give him whatever left of a respect and confidence behind him.
    Their MO is to go for big incidents and huge impact. I doubt very much that it can get that personal as it very hard to convince his followers that a specific person is the cause. His followers might lose faith if he doesn't deliver any promise he made.
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