you must remember that the dynamics of kopitiam is different, you being an old member here you should know that people will ot here
if i had ignored all serious discussion and posts directed to the issue at hand, and only entertained ot i would certainly be ashamed of myself. but you can't blame me for entertaining both sides of the coin, could you?
to be honest, my ego has not been damaged, the bulk of whatever has been taking place in the thread with regards to serious discussion is with regards, honestly, to the perceived inanity (note, i use perceived) of questions in recent times and past times as well.. along with the well, commonplace complaint that clubsnap seems to be a festering ground of newcomers who want to be spoonfed. some have also brought up the sugar-coating syndrome here in cs.
i am actually more than happy to find out everyone's views on what warrants an inane question. i am also certain that you would not deny that the question quoted in the mentioned thread could be perceived as inane - perhaps some could see it as a valid question, and from response here, some don't. so in all fairness perhaps i was wrong in enforcing my strong views on standards and enquiry so quickly and should have bothered to sound it out cordially with the threadstarter (sapphy). if you had bothered to follow it to the end - i mentioend that i have apologised to him in a pm, although i still expressed the view that it was not a very thoughtful question. so whether you think it fit or not, i think i have been pretty fair and am not starting this topic just to find out how many people are on my side. the only reason why i quoted this thread is so that it would not appear as if i have nothing better to do than to dream up problems with cs community.
moving on - in MY view, as mentioned earlier, what should be done to threads where you think you should say something, but you really don't think what you have to say is going to add on to anything that everyone knows already. take for example the earlier nose oil on lcd thread before.. i'm curious as to whether anyone actually thinks that there would be any valid solution that could resolve either nose oil, nose pressing on lcd when taking, etc with current design of dslr. in some sense maybe i might have used the wrong phrase - a rhetorical question might have been what i meant instead.
on the other matters, i think the discusisons have more or less run its course - i am more or less resigned to the fact that as one of the more experienced members has told me a long time ago - cs is a mixed community. psychobiologist brought it up again here actually. sugarcoating is here to stay no matter what.. and truthfully, nothing can really be done about it, can it?
this is not exactly relating to forums but I found this point to make sense:
*taken from http://www.lkozma.net/idea.php?dea=16
When one tries to scale such a recommendation system, several problems arise:
- As the community grows, the quality of the average opinion declines. This doesn't necessarily imply that most people are stupid. As users see their opinions having smaller and smaller effect, they spend less effort in making educated decisions and taking part in quality discussion.
I think it would be really good if you could make your points as concisely and clearly in as few posts as possible (I don't know how excessive OTing is useful for other viewers)
How about less OT and more focused, quality discussion? I think it will be of benefit to everyone.
This is just my opinion on what would help make the transfer of information on a forum board like this more efficient.
Hopefully you'll consider it :smile:
Last edited by mattlock; 1st March 2008 at 10:31 AM.
talking about quality discussion, if you guys really want to help, save your energy here and use it on critique corner. after so much yakking, i wonder how many who posted here actually used your photography knowledge to help those in critique corner. there is a substantial number of newbies using that section, and i believe they can learn alot from some of you here.
Last edited by eikin; 1st March 2008 at 11:03 AM.
When a person ask a general qn, it doesnt mean tt the person didnt do any research at all ad not at all interested. If the person isnt interested in photography, why in the first place does he post that qn in the first place anyway? Nver mind.
I just feel that clubsnap is more for pple who are already great at photography and not a good platform for newbies because when they ask a "stupid" qn, there will bound to have someone to bombard that "stupid" qn in a sacarstic tone. If you really wanna help, pls be at least try to be polite, and if u think tt qn is real really stupid, you can look away. I dun mind truthful comments. Thanks
Thanks, i sense ur sarcasm.... What i mean is i dun mind heart breaking or bad bad comments from the experts...But to get mockerings all the time when you are trying to learn sth, kind of disheartened me. I dunnoe but everybody is newbie once and newbies tend to ask some silly qns... Some times when newbies post pics, they hardly get any comments mainly because they were lousy. This is somwthing that u cant learn from books, like asking the books if your pics are ok?
Giving truth comments here but end up become a bad/evil/proud person. Many of the time, it is the poster can't take truth comments. I very active in other forum and don't meant teaching people on-line, it's because the culture there is different.
To be frank, go and take a course and form a buddy group, it will help a lot.
Last edited by Leong23; 1st March 2008 at 08:30 PM.
ok thanks.. May you intro me to ur other forums..? Lol, i think i will learn more if someone could critique me be it good or bad... And I agreed on the part where they ask some qns that are totally out of the scope of photography. lol...
be civil gentlemen
or take it offline
maybe i should lock this thread, it doesn't seem to be achieving what i hoped to achieve with it.
if the mod sees fit and does not think that any good or further good will come of it, you may lock it with my blessings
in any case, it will be there anyways, at least for a while.. what i see now are people carrying out personal vendettas and massaging their virtual egos.. which does absolutely nothing to help the situation, or clubsnap. cheers.
Last edited by night86mare; 1st March 2008 at 07:04 PM.