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    Care to share the DIY?
    looks something like this



    the bucket is also padded such that my camera is held firmly in place

    and of course, ergonomics is top class, i have designed it such that i can hang the pulley around my neck.. the pulley, incidentally weighs 2kg

    i know some will say that, WHY DON'T YOU HANG YOUR CAMERA AROUND YOUR NECK

    but trust me, it is better.. really.

    anybody want to order custom job? us120 per set, with custom noose for the pulley for your neck

    got extra large bucket for telephoto lens, add us80

    now the us dollar has dropped, is good bargain

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    anybody want to order custom job? us120 per set, with custom noose for the pulley for your neck

    got extra large bucket for telephoto lens, add us80

    now the us dollar has dropped, is good bargain
    But i only a student, no budget leh....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leong23 View Post
    But i only a student, no budget leh....
    because you're you

    special discount, 60usd plus free shipping. throw in special ankle strap for free

    donch tell anyone else hor, everytime i try to sell something in b&s i will get the poor student sob story. got one time lagi best, the "poor student" got his own car liao, tell me meeting me at xxx location easier cos parking more convenient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    because you're you

    special discount, 60usd plus free shipping. throw in special ankle strap for free

    donch tell anyone else hor, everytime i try to sell something in b&s i will get the poor student sob story. got one time lagi best, the "poor student" got his own car liao, tell me meeting me at xxx location easier cos parking more convenient.
    I read the original post and I have to agree with sapphy
    I don't see anything wrong with the post he made and frankly even if it is in jest it's more relevant to photography than some of the stuff you post, so what's with the aggressive response on your part?
    I'd like to say that I used to have the problem with using a camera with glasses so I actually thought the question was not irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock View Post
    I read the original post and I have to agree with sapphy
    I don't see anything wrong with the post he made and frankly even if it is in jest it's more relevant to photography than some of the stuff you post, so what's with the aggressive response on your part?
    I'd like to say that I used to have the problem with using a camera with glasses so I actually thought the question was not irrelevant.
    no no no

    now when you do this all your fanboys will come in and help you not fair leh

    just kidding.

    what's this about the "some of the stuff i post", i post it in the RIGHT DEPARTMENT.. can you find one non-serious thread that i post in non-kopitiam area? and what has my action have to do with the issue at hand? this is very unbecoming of you, you don't usually morph into the usual we find here.

    anyways, ortega has said, this is not really about that post anymore. are you denying that inane questions exist in clubsnap? if you do, next time we have curious enquiring souls, i will direct them to pm you.

    everyone has problems with camera strap, camera viewfinder, camera shutter button. we all want a hoovering camera that follows us around and cleans itself and keeps itself out of harm's way. let's see.. so last time you use camera with glasses.. and your glasses got smudged.. what did you do? go around asking other photographers what to do? i hope you get my point on this particular issue. and if he was in jest, you can hardly fault my initial response. this is frankly, not the sort of "silly question" that might morph into great innovation later on. as long as viewfinders are here to stay, and you still must wear glasses while shooting, smudging of spectacles is forever here to stay. with a viewfinder, glasses, there will be smudging and scratches and what not. or you could use these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    precisely

    in fact, if you're unsure if a photo is good or bad, why not post it up

    there were photos i thought really sark, but a lot of people like, then some i really like people say sark leh

    i cannot stand the people who go around leaving "nice series" "nice!".. i mean yeah it happens on flickr all the time.. flickr is a sugar-coated donut society
    my opinion is that why not leave it as a sugar coated donut society after all everyone's looking forward to their works being appreciated etc, it probably fulfils some basic need etc.

    everyone's in this photography thingey for something anyway, whilst a small percentage is in it for the business aspect, the rest are just hobbyists, taking pictures of things that would never ever been published, sold, whatsoever. give credit where credit's due. life's much better that way.

    its tiring in life just to be uptight abt everything here and there. you should have seen my participation in mostly in the nikon subforum, repeating answers to people whenever i happen to see anything i know of. others may call me a spoon feeder, a nanny and what not, but the bottomline is that, whether the person with the question has ultimately found the answer that he/she needs is more important

    if one has met up with several different forummers from time to time, be it in buy/sell, or be it to give camera lessons etc, one will realize that clubsnap is made up of a diverse group of people of all ages and all walks of life. some are slightly literate, some are nearing their mid forties to early fifties, some are business owners, others are retirees. we cannot expect the participants in this forum to be uniform, i.e. dynamic, energetic, young, quick thinking etc, and that they would know where to find the answers they need by searching or looking into the correct subforum.

    its time for everyone to have a little bit of humility in them as and when possible. this guy/lady i'm flaming on a forum might be twice my age and what not.

    you are young, capable and schooling overseas, to return some day to be one of the leaders in singapore. whilst we hone our rationalism, perspectives, beliefs and values over the years, one musnt lose touch with society, be it the upper tier, or the lower tiers, society is never uniform. the needs of the lower tiers might be different from that of the higher up elites. a little patience helps too.
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    what of improvement?

    sugarcoated is fine, but frankly, i would like to get genuine feedback on my work, instead of "nice!". i appreciate the long-winded people who take their time to nitpick at works. i acknowledge that not everyone can take critique, constructive or destructive, but surely, we shouldn't just throw donuts at one another.. there are people who like durians, and you are not being fair to them.

    i have sometimes given up too and gave in by spoonfeeding.. sometimes the person appreciates it and eventually finds his own ground in searching for information - and i see him passing the buck. sometimes the person ends up asking more and more basic stuff, that is still tolerable until he does it for perhaps the 5th time. it has happened more than once for me.

    to be honest, perhaps i am hypocritical, and i do not treat everyone equally. generally people of the older group (well, those who proclaim themselves to be so) will get more patience, ditto for those who simply appear to be confused and dazzled by their discovery of the internet, it is pretty obvious. sometimes there is misjudgement, but it is only human to err, is it not? most of the time the "google is your best friend" image is dumped unceremoniously on obviously er, young, energetic people who have somehow, in one way or another, ended up being spoilt in terms of information searching - it is an unhealthy attitude that i personally feel should not be encouraged.

    i'm not painting with broad strokes, i can only hope that, but i can almost certainly tell you that majority of the funny questions that i have mentioned, are brought up by young, energetic, net-savvy people. this sentiment does not merely stem from everything surfaced on the forums, i do not wish to mention specific examples but i can certainly tell you from personal experience that your postulated scenario where the majority of people who ask the basics are justified - is quite untrue. i have met retirees who are more resourceful than teenagers when it comes to the internet. and those teenagers are what you might call elites!
    Quote Originally Posted by psychobiologist View Post
    my opinion is that why not leave it as a sugar coated donut society after all everyone's looking forward to their works being appreciated etc, it probably fulfils some basic need etc.

    everyone's in this photography thingey for something anyway, whilst a small percentage is in it for the business aspect, the rest are just hobbyists, taking pictures of things that would never ever been published, sold, whatsoever. give credit where credit's due. life's much better that way.

    its tiring in life just to be uptight abt everything here and there. you should have seen my participation in mostly in the nikon subforum, repeating answers to people whenever i happen to see anything i know of. others may call me a spoon feeder, a nanny and what not, but the bottomline is that, whether the person with the question has ultimately found the answer that he/she needs is more important

    if one has met up with several different forummers from time to time, be it in buy/sell, or be it to give camera lessons etc, one will realize that clubsnap is made up of a diverse group of people of all ages and all walks of life. some are slightly literate, some are nearing their mid forties to early fifties, some are business owners, others are retirees. we cannot expect the participants in this forum to be uniform, i.e. dynamic, energetic, young, quick thinking etc, and that they would know where to find the answers they need by searching or looking into the correct subforum.

    its time for everyone to have a little bit of humility in them as and when possible. this guy/lady i'm flaming on a forum might be twice my age and what not.

    you are young, capable and schooling overseas, to return some day to be one of the leaders in singapore. whilst we hone our rationalism, perspectives, beliefs and values over the years, one musnt lose touch with society, be it the upper tier, or the lower tiers, society is never uniform. the needs of the lower tiers might be different from that of the higher up elites. a little patience helps too.
    Last edited by night86mare; 29th February 2008 at 04:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock View Post
    I don't see anything wrong with the post he made and frankly even if it is in jest it's more relevant to photography than some of the stuff you post.....
    Photography is about life.

    And what night86mare always posts is about life.


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    you are young, capable and schooling overseas, to return some day to be one of the leaders in singapore.
    Kopitiam is the most likely place to find an emerging potential future leadership material.

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    Kopitiam is the most likely place to find an emerging potential future leadership material.
    Like you, Sion? Future leader of the next Nazi movement (remember your old avatar?)

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    Like you, Sion? Future leader of the next Nazi movement (remember your old avatar?)
    I have yet a lot to learn from you about the Nazi movement.

    As always your 2nd-in-command,
    Sion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psychobiologist View Post
    my opinion is that why not leave it as a sugar coated donut society after all everyone's looking forward to their works being appreciated etc, it probably fulfils some basic need etc.

    everyone's in this photography thingey for something anyway, whilst a small percentage is in it for the business aspect, the rest are just hobbyists, taking pictures of things that would never ever been published, sold, whatsoever. give credit where credit's due. life's much better that way.
    You have your point but if this is going to continue, CS forum will become a thinkgroup, and slowly the standard will drop and left only a few sugar daddy to handout donut.

    Suggestion, why not change the "Critique Corner" to "Praise Me Corner"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    I have yet a lot to learn from you about the Nazi movement.

    As always your 2nd-in-command,
    Sion.
    You must learn to assume leadership. I am going away on a long overseas trip to the tropical island of Singapore. People in the future call it "emigration" but I call it a business trip. There is a risk that I may not return, because the donuts there are good. As such, I am placing you in command until I return (if I can break away from the donuts there).

    Heil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    no no no

    now when you do this all your fanboys will come in and help you not fair leh

    just kidding.

    what's this about the "some of the stuff i post", i post it in the RIGHT DEPARTMENT.. can you find one non-serious thread that i post in non-kopitiam area? and what has my action have to do with the issue at hand? this is very unbecoming of you, you don't usually morph into the usual we find here.

    anyways, ortega has said, this is not really about that post anymore. are you denying that inane questions exist in clubsnap? if you do, next time we have curious enquiring souls, i will direct them to pm you.

    everyone has problems with camera strap, camera viewfinder, camera shutter button. we all want a hoovering camera that follows us around and cleans itself and keeps itself out of harm's way. let's see.. so last time you use camera with glasses.. and your glasses got smudged.. what did you do? go around asking other photographers what to do? i hope you get my point on this particular issue. and if he was in jest, you can hardly fault my initial response. this is frankly, not the sort of "silly question" that might morph into great innovation later on. as long as viewfinders are here to stay, and you still must wear glasses while shooting, smudging of spectacles is forever here to stay. with a viewfinder, glasses, there will be smudging and scratches and what not. or you could use these?

    yes I actually went and asked other photographers what they did.

    The only reason you seem to be posting this thread is to vent the fact that someone bruised your ego with a logical response to your type of remar.
    it's become a large thread of meaningless banter back and forth.

    I know it's kopitiam but I don't remember having to sift through so much guy-on-guy flirting in kopitiam in the past.

    If you are serious about raising topics then stick to them, all the opinions of other people get drowned out by all the OTing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leong23 View Post
    You have your point but if this is going to continue, CS forum will become a thinkgroup, and slowly the standard will drop and left only a few sugar daddy to handout donut.

    Suggestion, why not change the "Critique Corner" to "Praise Me Corner"?
    bulk of cs's abt equipment anyway
    chezburgr i can haz?

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    yes I actually went and asked other photographers what they did.

    The only reason you seem to be posting this thread is to vent the fact that someone bruised your ego with a logical response to your type of remar.
    it's become a large thread of meaningless banter back and forth.

    I know it's kopitiam but I don't remember having to sift through so much guy-on-guy flirting in kopitiam in the past.

    If you are serious about raising topics then stick to them, all the opinions of other people get drowned out by all the OTing.
    it's kopitiam. to be honest, i was posting in general terms hor

    i have raised this issue before but it has happened again, go and do a search

    and read the sign

    it says:

    Informal, irreverent coffeeshop chat (with limits, of course)

    maybe you need to check up the definition of irreverent

    if i had posted this in say, faq, i would definitely be more serious, but what are you do if people who reply to you, can only carry out personal attacks centered at guessing your character? a good example is the very above post of yours i have created. so how have you addressed the issue in general? all you have done is harp on about that very single thread, which is locked, and removed and the mod has already told involved parties to MOVE ON.

    so.. what is your purpose of harping on it? is it personal? is it a "guy on guy coming on"?

    just to clarify, i am straight hor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leong23 View Post
    You have your point but if this is going to continue, CS forum will become a thinkgroup, and slowly the standard will drop and left only a few sugar daddy to handout donut.

    Suggestion, why not change the "Critique Corner" to "Praise Me Corner"?
    please hand out donuts here.

    on personal reflection due to great photographers speaking on my poor character, i have tried to be helpful and maybe my english is horrible, no one understands or lubs me.

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    Like you, Sion? Future leader of the next Nazi movement (remember your old avatar?)
    If Peter Sellers looks like a Nazi to you then you must be too young to know him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    it's kopitiam. to be honest, i was posting in general terms hor

    i have raised this issue before but it has happened again, go and do a search

    and read the sign

    it says:

    Informal, irreverent coffeeshop chat (with limits, of course)

    maybe you need to check up the definition of irreverent

    if i had posted this in say, faq, i would definitely be more serious, but what are you do if people who reply to you, can only carry out personal attacks centered at guessing your character? a good example is the very above post of yours i have created. so how have you addressed the issue in general? all you have done is harp on about that very single thread, which is locked, and removed and the mod has already told involved parties to MOVE ON.

    so.. what is your purpose of harping on it? is it personal? is it a "guy on guy coming on"?

    just to clarify, i am straight hor.
    How have I addressed the issue in general.The issue is irrelevant in the first place for this thread specifically because the whole basis of your thread is done with intent to soothe your damaged ego.

    I don't have issues with irreverence and informal chat. I just think that kopitiam has brought up some interesting topics and discussion in the past.

    I'm not interested in attacking you, I just feel that you seem to be very involved in CS so why not try to raise the quality of discussion here.
    even if you meant this thread to seriously address the issue you raised you managed to OT your own thread within the first page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock View Post
    I know it's kopitiam but I don't remember having to sift through so much guy-on-guy flirting in kopitiam in the past.
    That's because we don't have enough female here.

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