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    Default Photographers : wat to do when u are confronted?

    yesterday, i tried to take some record shots of Bedok Interchange.

    before i could start, i was confronted by someone in civilian. from my experience, i can somewat tell tat he is slightly mentally unstable. he told me photography is not allowed in the interchange.

    not being in the best of mood, i replied, "who are u?".

    he told me dun run and took out his HP. i thought he'd called the police. but 5 seconds later, a Transit Security personnel appeared. "u took photo? follow me to office!"

    so, i followed. the manager was very polite. as usual, due to security reasons, photo-taking was not allowed, unless i wrote in beforehand. i explained that i understood his position and that i am just trying to do a record before the govt decides to tear Bedok Interchange down and replace w one w air-con.

    before i left, he added that while phototaking is not allowed w/o permission in the interchange, there is no restriction if i shoot from the outside in. THANK-YOU V V MUCH!!.

    so, i shot from outside in.

    before i left, that man who confronted me appeared and told me to "watch out". i replied, "something wrong w u".

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    my point is unless there is NO PHOTOGRAPHY sign put up, we, photographers should be free to pursue our hobby (of course, w/o causing obstruction, disturbance to public).

    when approached by uniformed/authorised/official personnel, we should show respect and be cooperative.

    but when confronted by some mad, ignorant, busy bodies, we must be firm and stand our ground. these ppl may think that by stopping a photographer from taking pictures, they somehow miraculously saved singapore from a possible terrorist attack .

    to build rapport w the public, i often invite curious ppl to look at my LCD and explain to them the effect i am trying to create.

    we, photographers are NOT terrorists/perverts/spys.

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    anyone care to share your experience or opinions?




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    I seriously don't understand what security threat photographers can pose to a bus interchange.If they are afraid terrorists target places with lots of people, shouldnt they be banning photography at Chinatown during CNY and Orchard road during Christmas?Because from what I see, there are much more people there than at interchanges.

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    Default Re: Photographers : wat to do when u are confronted?

    These people just can't think even if their lifes depended on it. If I was a security threat, would I be letting everybody know I'm taking pictures???

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    Tell them to f-off, what's so difficult about that? Why follow the guy? Won't even waste my time listening to him.

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    To be frank, if I am going to do something bad, I would use a hp camera but not a camera (which is so obvious)
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    not trying to defend the staff or regulations, just stating something quite neutral and from experience.

    1) I agree to u on this "we, photographers are NOT terrorists/perverts/spys".
    But how would they know? Perverts can claim to be photographers and etc. U can't blame others for misunderstanding this. For small cameras, maybe u can hide (no one see no one knows). But for big cameras and they see u, it is their duty to stop u.

    2) I also agree to u on this "unless there is NO PHOTOGRAPHY sign put up, we, photographers should be free to pursue our hobby ".
    Maybe a sign will help to reduce such cases. However as a local and a person living in this era, we should be aware of some rules and regulations on where to take or where not to take. Whenever in doubt, write-in to the appropriate authorities.

    3) I'm not certain of how much u know about military operations. A photograph of a target area is very informative to a person who is planning an attack on it. Even when u see some shows, b4 the good guys plans to save hostages from a building, they use a map. That's the reason for banning photography in some areas. I shall not go into any more details on this. Enough said.

    4) For public events and attraction places, restrictions are difficult and will definitely invite a lots of debates. Therefore as much as possible, for places that are not-of-so-much-interest and high people flow (e.g. bus interchange, mrt station, etc), there will be restrictions. We always need to consider both side of the scale.

    5) Endnote.
    As locals and people who enjoys photography, we need to be aware of the situation around us and act accordingly. The no photography regulation of bus interchange and mrt stations have been around for a few years already (i know, as i have been stopped a few years back b4), maybe just that u are not aware of it. However if u are outside the interchange, they cannot stop u anymore (sounds a bit odd, but yes thats the case, as long as u are not on their territory). No one really cares about what effect you are trying to acheive, they only care about safety and the law.

    Just ignore that unsound person.

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    I think it's very normal for people to get wary if you were to whip out a big cam and start shooting. I was stopped before too, once outside a shopping centre and another at my daughter's school under renovation. Reason is the same: security. I think this encroachment in public spaces is getting a little out of hand... and no thanks to STOMP!

    If I were to use a P&S or handphone, which is so much more discreet, I think the situation would be more uneventful!
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    1. Are you able to quote the chapter and para of the "regulation", preferably with reference to the Govt Gazette?

    2. One cannot impose "regulations" (in the statutory sense) unless one is a "regulator".

    3. SBS, SMRT, etc are public listed companies, not "regulators". Ergo, they cannot impose "regulations" (although LTA and other agencies could, of course).

    Quote Originally Posted by Fotophilic View Post
    The no photography regulation of bus interchange and mrt stations have been around for a few years already (i know, as i have been stopped a few years back b4), maybe just that u are not aware of it.

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    i abide by the No U-Turn Syndrome (NUTS) first suggested by Sim Wong Hoo.

    unless told otherwise, i will continue to exercise my freedom in a free country.

    i find this very important. cus its part of social defence. we are vigilant and prepared. we will live life normally, without fear. we are not going to let some extremists affect our routine and pursuits.

    but come to think of it, the zoo and botanical garden should ban photography. cus there are lots of tourists there. phototaking may put them at risk, thus, affecting S'pore's international reputation .

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    Personally, I'll just slam my press pass onto their faces n ask them to get away from me. Meet these crazy plp everywhere!

    Just dun let them affect ur mood to shoot good photos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by attap seed View Post
    before i left, that man who confronted me appeared and told me to "watch out". i replied, "something wrong w u".
    You should record the conversation and send to stomp ...... and make a police report on his threat or better still shoot his face and post here ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by attap seed View Post
    but come to think of it, the zoo and botanical garden should ban photography. cus there are lots of tourists there. phototaking may put them at risk, thus, affecting S'pore's international reputation .
    Following the same line of thought, I think the whole of Sg should ban photography.... we cannot afford to have a bomb going off anywhere in Sg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    Following the same line of thought, I think the whole of Sg should ban photography.... we cannot afford to have a bomb going off anywhere in Sg.
    Ur suggestion is worth millions

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    Quote Originally Posted by waileong View Post
    1. Are you able to quote the chapter and para of the "regulation", preferably with reference to the Govt Gazette?

    2. One cannot impose "regulations" (in the statutory sense) unless one is a "regulator".

    3. SBS, SMRT, etc are public listed companies, not "regulators". Ergo, they cannot impose "regulations" (although LTA and other agencies could, of course).
    I knew someone will be brave enough to ask for evidences. I apologize b4 hand if i have used the word "regulation" in the wrong context. To me, regulation simply means kinda of a rule or norm, may not necessarily need to written down (e.g. we still have the habit of queueing up to buy something even if there are no signs and strict laws saying that we must queue). U don't need to read my word (as in regulation) too hard to understand what i am driving at. Anyway thanks for bringing that up.

    Answering ur questions:
    1) I visited ur recommended site. Sad to say, I don't quite know how to use it.
    2) This one i'm not sure thou. But what u said does makes some sense.
    3) I am not into law. However when i went to SMRT website, I saw their regulations. So maybe u can advise SMRT that thry cannot impose regulations?

    Not sure what is ur stand in this thread. But if anyone is not convinced that photography is generally restricted in SMRT (or bus interchange), I can do nothing about it. I won't call anyone to try taking pictures there as I know what is it that u gonna face.

    To save interested parties some trouble (and out of goodwill), I have included some things that one might like to see.

    Wiki (SMRT): Photography without prior permission has also been banned in all MRT stations.

    ST Forum: Sep 4, 2007
    Why no photos at MRT stations...
    I REFER to the letter, 'Can't one take photos in MRT stations?' by Mr Soh Oon Teck (ST, Aug 30).

    As part of our security measures, we do not allow people to take pictures within our MRT stations or of our MRT stations without prior permission. People who wish to take pictures or videos of our MRT stations or who are taking pictures or videos from the MRT station are required to inform our station staff.

    Due to security reasons, our station staff had to take down Mr Soh's particulars as we keep records of people who take pictures from the MRT station.

    We seek Mr Soh's understanding on this matter, and would like to apologise for any inconvenience caused.

    Karen Chow (Ms)
    Executive, Corporate Marketing and Communications
    SMRT Corporation

    BTW, this topic has been discussed in: http://forums.clubsnap.com/showthread.php?t=307551.. There are more constructive arguements and cases to look at over there. If one is interested, can take a look.

    The staff in SMRT and the bus interchanges are just trying their best to protect their customers in whatever way they could. We just have to be more understanding towards such issues that's all. In any case, it's for the welfare and good of the public. Somethings in life, we cannot leave it chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Static View Post
    Ur suggestion is worth millions

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    later ban cameras like ban chewing gums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    Following the same line of thought, I think the whole of Sg should ban photography.... we cannot afford to have a bomb going off anywhere in Sg.
    I don't think anyone here will like that idea.
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    lol...some petrol kiosk dun let me shoot so i stand outside and shoot but some smile and never stop me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fotophilic View Post
    I don't think anyone here will like that idea.
    hahaha... juz joking.. later kenna wacked by 1Ds3.

    I'm actually for the "reverse" of the idea to restrict photography. I remembered seeing a documentary on JFK, it mentioned that they are unable prove beyond doubt who was the actual killer. But had it happened today, forensics would be able to gather photos and videos from all angles and more.

    Most tends toward mischief when unobserved but would "behave" when knowing they are being watched.
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    When shyt like this happens,it's best to ignore.
    I've met my fair share of idiot and overzealous 'protective' citizen.


    Walk away unless you are willing to cause a commotion.

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    Default Re: Photographers : wat to do when u are confronted?

    this is my stand on the whole situation.

    unless a sign tells me clearly that I can't take photos, then I wouldn't take photos.

    if I'm caught taking photos of an area where photography isn't allowed, I'll only stop when a person of authority tells me to stop, and not some random public member. I'll also make it a point to tell them what I am doing it for, and to show them the photos that I took to prove that it was in no way malicious on my part. if still pressed, I'll delete the photos taken and move off with a curt "sorry"

    these have served me well in my dealings all over the world, although the second point can be quite painful in non-english speaking countries.

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