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    hi all, what would be the best lens and focal lengths to use for shooting cheerleading competition? i'm to be an official photographer for my school's event and can't figure what lens to use. will my kit lens be good enough? i use D80 with 18-135mm. or should i rent a better lens? even then, which do i use? wide angle (17-55) or tele (70-200)? any advice?

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    with cheerleading being such a fast action activity, i think you need a pretty fast lens in order to freeze action. wide or tele will be tough cos u gonna need wide to capture the whole team yet have the focal length to zoom in a particular member performing some stunts. and i think u need to know the drills so you know when is the act coming to a climax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipfreak View Post
    with cheerleading being such a fast action activity, i think you need a pretty fast lens in order to freeze action. wide or tele will be tough cos u gonna need wide to capture the whole team yet have the focal length to zoom in a particular member performing some stunts. and i think u need to know the drills so you know when is the act coming to a climax.
    problem is that it's gonna be a competition. they're not gonna be performing their drills before hand for all to see

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    so what is going to happen in this cheerleeding competing? how big is the squad? what will they perform? you want to take the group or individuals? Where will you stand and where are they?
    Think about these questions and the answer on the lens will come to you by itself....
    you might find that your current lens is fine
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    In any group sports, you have to figure out in advance exactly what kind of shots you need to get if you're the official tog. All general wide shots, or lots of crystal clear close-ups, or both (usually the case in group sports)?

    Where will the competition be held? What time? What will the lighting conditions be? Will be be allowed free access, or are there space/security restrictions? Will you have a high vantge point to shoot from, and from a further distance? Will you have multiple opportunities to shoot the same routine? Will you be allowed to use multiple remote strobes if you set them up further away? Will you be able to shoot full-dress reharsals at the actual venue? Will you have an opportunity to get intimately familiar with the team's routines? What kind of budgets are you looking at if rentals/assistance is needed?

    Once you get the answers to those questions, especially lighting and shooting limitations, choosing suitable lenses and equipment set-ups will be a much easier task.

    We can't tell you off-hand because we don't know the actual shooting conditions, or arrangements. If you want a Maggie Mee answer, it would be a super fast Ultra Wide 15 or 17 to something f/2.8 zoom, and a super fast 2.8 telezoom, as well as a body that focuses super fast super accurately in bad lighting conditions, but that won't guarantee good results.

    Additionally, you could Google 'Photographing Cheerleading competitions'. If the competition is going to be held indoors/in questionable light, search topics covering shooting sports in auditoriums.

    Planning in advance and preparations is crucial to predictable and good results in these situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenglw86 View Post
    problem is that it's gonna be a competition. they're not gonna be performing their drills before hand for all to see
    you are the official photographer? so go the the practice and learn from there....
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    Quote Originally Posted by tenglw86 View Post
    problem is that it's gonna be a competition. they're not gonna be performing their drills before hand for all to see
    of cos. but u still need to know the basics of the sport so u won't miss out any good shots. like when they are abt to flip or throw someone into the air, u gotta be spot on.

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    Flip is absolutely spot on!

    One of the 'secrets' to great sports photography is being intimately familiar with the sport, and the participants. Next are the venues and logistics.

    The guy that shoots for Singapore's overseas sporting events etc told me that he knew the exact moment a ball would be in front of so-and-so's face, and even the direction of her hand in relation to the ball as compared to this or that other player because he studies them intensely.

    These kind of things cannot siam lah ... die die have to do tons of homework and wear out the soles of one's shoes attending reharsals and performances and recce locations/venues.

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    If you know where exactly its being held go there and try your lens and measure your distance from the stage.Also you can go to one of their practices to see since its a school event. Also is it indoors or outdoors. Cheerleading is group performance with formation changes. you'll definately require wide end of the lens.

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    D80 noise control is pretty good.
    Use ISO 1250 and largest aperture and you will be ready to go.

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    also if the backdrop is sky with clouds or white you'll need to compensate accordingly.

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    i'd have 2 camera bodies with me. one with a wide to mid zoom like your kit lens, and another with a tele-zoom for close-ups.

    cheerleading routines are typically fast and action-packed, crammed into a space of 2-3 minutes. you're not going to have time to change lenses! best is to have someone else with you, so you cover the wide to mid, your friend covers the close-ups and faces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenglw86 View Post
    problem is that it's gonna be a competition. they're not gonna be performing their drills before hand for all to see
    what competition is it? Nationals? Inter-hall? Inter-faculty?

    In what capacity of "official photographer" will you be shooting as? Official photographer for the organisers covering the whole event? or official photographer for a particular team? In any case, do go down to the team's practices and dry runs if there are any like Michael said.... And i think all the advices from the bros here have all been great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antacid View Post
    i'd have 2 camera bodies with me. one with a wide to mid zoom like your kit lens, and another with a tele-zoom for close-ups.

    cheerleading routines are typically fast and action-packed, crammed into a space of 2-3 minutes. you're not going to have time to change lenses! best is to have someone else with you, so you cover the wide to mid, your friend covers the close-ups and faces.
    2nd this, 2 bodies, 1 wide 1 tele is a great choice for cheerleading events..

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    if you're not being paid for it ask a 2nd photog to assist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blurry80 View Post
    if you're not being paid for it ask a 2nd photog to assist.
    2nd photog? also non-paid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipfreak View Post
    with cheerleading being such a fast action activity, i think you need a pretty fast lens in order to freeze action. wide or tele will be tough cos u gonna need wide to capture the whole team yet have the focal length to zoom in a particular member performing some stunts. and i think u need to know the drills so you know when is the act coming to a climax.
    It's a myth that you need to freeze action in sports. In fact, if every shot is frozen-- if every shot shows the mouth half open, the skirts in mid-air or the pom pom perfectly still-- it would look pretty darn boring.
    Last edited by waileong; 21st January 2008 at 09:01 AM.

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    Actually if you see most comercial adds they have minimal motion blurr. Also some pro photographer also mention frozen better than not frozen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenglw86 View Post
    wide angle (17-55) or tele (70-200)? any advice?
    this combo is the best.

    both camera set at 5fps or faster. ISO1250~1600.

    only this you can capture a lot of facial expression.

    be prepare to shoot at least 2000 photo or more. stating this cause i attend a couple of cheerobics as the offical before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FilterFunk View Post
    2nd this, 2 bodies, 1 wide 1 tele is a great choice for cheerleading events..
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