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    Today, one of my girlfriend feedback to me regarding this 2nd edition of the Miss/Mrs LFI pageant. She has been contacted by Eric, a 23 year old Male claiming to be from the LFI wellness center. Excerpts from the messages Eric sent to her:

    1st Message:
    eric wrote:
    hi hi i am eric 23m ... i am actually a business partner of a wellness center at marine parade ...we are holding a beauty pageant june this year and registration end at feb ..would u be interested to participate in this beauty pageant ? i seriously think u stand a high chance to win this pageant and mayb get to take part in the miss singapore 2008 or 2009 !!

    2nd Message:

    eric wrote

    http://www.lfintlgroup.com/images/lf...t08_poster.pdf
    this is the link with more information

    i tell u y it worth it... this event will b big and there r celebrities attending the event too....
    i personnally think that you are so pretty that u will definitely win in at least 1 category ...with the bust serum or the makeover package u will tone up your body perfectly ...u got 80% chance of getting a prize, u get lots of exposure and attention from this event and you can tell your friends that you have joined a pageant and there is actually a way for you to earn lots of money so come on ! dun wait le wor i find u very very very attractive n in fact so confident that u will win at least the 2nd runner up !! last year there was a lady that was 157cm tall and she also become 1 of the top ... n honestly speaking i think u are more pretty and "you mei li" lor u consider about it ba ...it is very worth it .. u gain a better figure and u likely to win more cash than wat u paid the bust serum u can share w friends too n pay by 12 months installment w credit card . which is only $65 per month .. i really think u are a beauty queen !!

    My thoughts after reading this and looking at the contest:

    * They are more interested in the sale of the packages rather than the pageant itself? With points given for weight lost and bust gained, this is more like a reality show rather than a pageant contest. Let's hope the contestants are certified medically to be fit for any rapid weight lost/bust enhancement regime. The organiser must take care of the welfare of the contestants and make sure that adequate medical insurance and coverage is undertaken just in case any of the contestants fell ill due to adverse reaction as well as a rapid weight loss. Will there be any money back in case the contestants are deemed not suitable to continue the regime since they cost more than $700?

    * Does the organiser wanna send out messages such as bigger the boobs, the better and the thinner you are, the better? Beauty contest is never about just having the biggest boobs and the thinnest waist. Beauty is certainly never as shallow as that. A pageant winner should be judge from not just the figure alone.

    * LFI is the organiser of Miss Singapore 2008/09? If they are not the organisers, they shouldnt be promising the contestants direct entry to the prestigious pageant. Anyway, interested girls who wish to join Miss Singapore does not need to pay $700 to join the contest proper, nor is there a requirement to join Miss Singapore only through the Miss LFI contest!

    What are your thoughts if you or your GFs are asked to join this pageant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckteeth LCL View Post
    Today, one of my girlfriend feedback to me regarding this 2nd edition of the Miss/Mrs LFI pageant. She has been contacted by Eric, a 23 year old Male claiming to be from the LFI wellness center. Excerpts from the messages Eric sent to her:

    1st Message:
    eric wrote:
    hi hi i am eric 23m ... i am actually a business partner of a wellness center at marine parade ...we are holding a beauty pageant june this year and registration end at feb ..would u be interested to participate in this beauty pageant ? i seriously think u stand a high chance to win this pageant and mayb get to take part in the miss singapore 2008 or 2009 !!

    2nd Message:

    eric wrote

    http://www.lfintlgroup.com/images/lf...t08_poster.pdf
    this is the link with more information

    i tell u y it worth it... this event will b big and there r celebrities attending the event too....
    i personnally think that you are so pretty that u will definitely win in at least 1 category ...with the bust serum or the makeover package u will tone up your body perfectly ...u got 80% chance of getting a prize, u get lots of exposure and attention from this event and you can tell your friends that you have joined a pageant and there is actually a way for you to earn lots of money so come on ! dun wait le wor i find u very very very attractive n in fact so confident that u will win at least the 2nd runner up !! last year there was a lady that was 157cm tall and she also become 1 of the top ... n honestly speaking i think u are more pretty and "you mei li" lor u consider about it ba ...it is very worth it .. u gain a better figure and u likely to win more cash than wat u paid the bust serum u can share w friends too n pay by 12 months installment w credit card . which is only $65 per month .. i really think u are a beauty queen !!

    My thoughts after reading this and looking at the contest:

    * They are more interested in the sale of the packages rather than the pageant itself? With points given for weight lost and bust gained, this is more like a reality show rather than a pageant contest. Let's hope the contestants are certified medically to be fit for any rapid weight lost/bust enhancement regime. The organiser must take care of the welfare of the contestants and make sure that adequate medical insurance and coverage is undertaken just in case any of the contestants fell ill due to adverse reaction as well as a rapid weight loss. Will there be any money back in case the contestants are deemed not suitable to continue the regime since they cost more than $700?

    * Does the organiser wanna send out messages such as bigger the boobs, the better and the thinner you are, the better? Beauty contest is never about just having the biggest boobs and the thinnest waist. Beauty is certainly never as shallow as that. A pageant winner should be judge from not just the figure alone.

    * LFI is the organiser of Miss Singapore 2008/09? If they are not the organisers, they shouldnt be promising the contestants direct entry to the prestigious pageant. Anyway, interested girls who wish to join Miss Singapore does not need to pay $700 to join the contest proper, nor is there a requirement to join Miss Singapore only through the Miss LFI contest!

    What are your thoughts if you or your GFs are asked to join this pageant?
    obviously this is just a sales gimmick. a low brow badly thought one at that. that makes them look like sleaze merchants.

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    Nod nod. I think it warrants some attention. The recruitment process shouldnt be like this right?

    Its a MLM company somemore

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    Miss Singapore?
    wat Miss Singapore?
    Miss Singapore cannot be Trade mark by it self. none of the pageant company can do tt.
    So wat is behide the Miss Singapore?

    Join tt pageant? like selling things in NTUC like tt.
    bigger bust....... pageant is never abt how BIG the bust is...... which in many case the winner do not have the BIGGEST bust in the whole pageant........

    so ladies ifu thinking of join this pageant.

    GD LUCK

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    Another MLM company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckteeth LCL View Post
    Nod nod. I think it warrants some attention. The recruitment process shouldnt be like this right?

    Its a MLM company somemore
    MLM is not illegal here is it?

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    MLMs are legal in Singapore. I have nothing against most of them except when they dont have a product/service to sell or when they sell their product/services not in the legal framework.

    For example, a herbal/health supplement currently not required to be registered (till 2010) being advertised in public sale seminars to treat any of the disease specified under the MEDICINES (ADVERTISEMENT AND SALE) (CHAPTER 177)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckteeth LCL View Post
    MLMs are legal in Singapore. I have nothing against most of them except when they dont have a product/service to sell or when they sell their product/services not in the legal framework.

    For example, a herbal/health supplement currently not required to be registered (till 2010) being advertised in public sale seminars to treat any of the disease specified under the MEDICINES (ADVERTISEMENT AND SALE) (CHAPTER 177)
    wtf?!

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    Interpretation.
    2. In this Act, unless there is something repugnant in the subject or context

    "advertisement" includes any notice, circular, pamphlet, label, wrapper or other document, any announcement made orally or by any means of producing or transmitting light or sound and any other form of advertising;

    "substance recommended as a medicine" , in relation to the sale of an article consisting of or comprising a substance so recommended, means a substance which is referred to

    (a) on the article, or on any wrapper or container in which the article is sold, or on any label affixed to, or in any document enclosed in, the article or such a wrapper or container;

    (b) in any placard or other document exhibited at the place where the article is sold; or

    (c) in any advertisement published after the passing of this Act by or on behalf of the manufacturer of the article, or the person carrying on the business in the course of which the article was sold, or, in a case where the article was sold under a proprietary designation, the proprietor of the designation,

    Prohibition of advertisements relating to certain diseases.
    3. (1) Subject to the provisions of this Act, no person shall take part in the publication of any advertisement referring to any article or articles of any description in terms which are calculated to lead to the use of that article or articles of that description as a medicine, appliance or remedy for the purpose of treatment of human beings for any of the diseases and conditions set out in the Schedule:

    DISEASES AND CONDITIONS

    1.Blindness

    2.Cancer

    3.Cataract

    4.Drug addiction

    5.Deafness

    6.Diabetes

    7.Epilepsy or fits

    8.Hypertension

    9.Insanity

    10.Kidney diseases

    11.Leprosy

    12.Menstrual disorders

    13.Paralysis

    14.Tuberculosis

    15.Sexual function

    16.Infertility

    17.Impotency

    18.Frigidity

    19.Conception and pregnancy.

    (2) In any proceedings for a contravention of subsection (1), it shall be a defence for the person charged to prove that the advertisement to which the proceedings relate was published only so far as was reasonably necessary to bring it to the notice of persons of the following classes or of one or some of them:

    (a) members of a local or public authority;

    (b) members of the governing body of a public hospital;

    (c) registered medical practitioners;

    (d) registered dentists;

    (e) registered nurses and midwives;

    (f) registered pharmacists and holders of licences to sell poisons set out in the Schedule to the Poisons Act;
    Cap. 234.

    (g) persons undergoing training with a view to becoming registered medical practitioners, registered dentists, registered nurses or registered pharmacists.

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    In layman's terms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redstone View Post
    In layman's terms?
    item cannot claim to cure any of those medical conditions in the list unless there is proven medical evidence to back up the claim... of course, this is a simplification...don't quote this post in court...
    Last edited by theRBK; 19th January 2008 at 01:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckteeth LCL View Post
    MLMs are legal in Singapore. I have nothing against most of them except when they dont have a product/service to sell or when they sell their product/services not in the legal framework.

    For example, a herbal/health supplement currently not required to be registered (till 2010) being advertised in public sale seminars to treat any of the disease specified under the MEDICINES (ADVERTISEMENT AND SALE) (CHAPTER 177)
    In 90% of the MLMs agents I've encountered are inethical. Maybe it's just my luck to meet them.

    They have no pay, only by commission, this can be a good drive, also a bad drive. Like, telling half lies, misleading people, using hard persuasion, trickery to trick people down to office or seminar, etc. I've heard of "managers" actually teaching downlines to do this.

    And then again, giving people, both customers and agents false hopes. They claim high earnings, but not everyone can achieve it. Depends alot on alot of factors. I've heard everything from "earn more than uni grad", "financial freedom", "retire early", etc.... Some of their products are not proven, except by their own sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redstone View Post
    In 90% of the MLMs agents I've encountered are inethical. Maybe it's just my luck to meet them.

    They have no pay, only by commission, this can be a good drive, also a bad drive. Like, telling half lies, misleading people, using hard persuasion, trickery to trick people down to office or seminar, etc. I've heard of "managers" actually teaching downlines to do this.

    And then again, giving people, both customers and agents false hopes. They claim high earnings, but not everyone can achieve it. Depends alot on alot of factors. I've heard everything from "earn more than uni grad", "financial freedom", "retire early", etc.... Some of their products are not proven, except by their own sources.
    That is bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by redstone View Post
    In 90% of the MLMs agents I've encountered are inethical. Maybe it's just my luck to meet them.

    They have no pay, only by commission, this can be a good drive, also a bad drive. Like, telling half lies, misleading people, using hard persuasion, trickery to trick people down to office or seminar, etc. I've heard of "managers" actually teaching downlines to do this.

    And then again, giving people, both customers and agents false hopes. They claim high earnings, but not everyone can achieve it. Depends alot on alot of factors. I've heard everything from "earn more than uni grad", "financial freedom", "retire early", etc.... Some of their products are not proven, except by their own sources.
    that's why i'm so surprised its legal in singapore when its illegal in the rest of the developed world...

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    Whoever this eric guy is, he can't even make the effort to write a decent official invitation in formal english. Lack of professionalism.

    Secondly, after reading through both excerpts, I have to agree that it's more a gimmick than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garou12 View Post
    that's why i'm so surprised its legal in singapore when its illegal in the rest of the developed world...
    The comapny which uses trickery to trick people to seminars is Enyouth, based at Carpenter St area. Their former name is Astral Mag. Very (in)famous

    Hard persuasion is VE, now at some ulu place at Eunos.

    Worse is Sunshine Empire, a scam company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redstone View Post
    The comapny which uses trickery to trick people to seminars is Enyouth, based at Carpenter St area. Their former name is Astral Mag. Very (in)famous

    Hard persuasion is VE, now at some ulu place at Eunos.

    Worse is Sunshine Empire, a scam company.
    why bo crack down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garou12 View Post
    why bo crack down?
    Sunshine empire cult under investigation by CAD. Apparently they claim they cant payout cos accounts freeze, but somehow can still accept payments?

    He's the guy who claims he's better than Warren Buffett.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redstone View Post
    Sunshine empire cult under investigation by CAD. Apparently they claim they cant payout cos accounts freeze, but somehow can still accept payments?

    He's the guy who claims he's better than Warren Buffett.
    i know that's why i laughed my ass off when he made that claim. then again pyramid schemes always make outrageous claims don't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garou12 View Post
    i know that's why i laughed my ass off when he made that claim. then again pyramid schemes always make outrageous claims don't they?
    I posted this on sgforums:

    Originally posted by redstone:



    A property company which

    1) shifts entire buildings from one side of the city to the other
    2) changes design after property been sold, shifting building around the plot
    3) changes colour scheme after property been sold
    4) interior rendering doesn't match exterior render (interior shows curved glass, exterior is square)
    5) no showrooms
    6) no building models
    7) claims only selling to SE members (see point A)
    8) Issues about Empire State Tower (see point B)
    9) astronomical costs of developing so many properties at the same time by a newly set up property company. Extremely high risk. (see point C)


    Point A:
    SE claims internal selling of properties. See this. SE claims around 20, 000 plus members, so there's only a pool of 20 000 members to sell the properties too. They had already put a few thousands into SE, what makes them want to buy a property? The pool is so small, what's the percentage of members who will probably buy a unit? A unit is not cheap too. Furthermore, SE/EPV is a newly set up property company, with no history, no experience (only experience in lots of failed property project scams like Magic Kingdom).

    Point B:
    First, EST was shifted from Jalan Raja Chulan to Jalan Tun Razak. Shifting buildings? Second, the site at Tun Razak is just beside highway viaduct, and there's a slipway ramp on the other side of the site. Extremely bad conditions. Air pollution, noise pollution, no privacy. The design of the units are horrible, looks as if it's done in a hurry. Design, layout of the building is horrible. Colour scheme changed once, from blue to gold. Interior renders show curved glass, but the building is cubic. With such a bad site location, and the small pool of members, you think it would have sold a great majority only after a short time?

    Point C:
    Sunshine Villas, EST, the melaka theme park, underwater hotel in Sabah? First, land at Jln Tun Razak. Land cost? They make the tower so luxurious. Fine. Construction, cost of interior decorations? Underwater hotel? Any idea the astromical costs for such an underwater building? They are not many underwater buildings in the world. Firstly, cost of engineering. Cannot get any Tom Dick or Harry engineering company to design the hotel. Need specialists. Cost goes up. Construction, also cannot get any company to do it. Must get specialists. What if the hotel caves in or collapses? Then, water quality, view distance in water. Is it clear enough? If not you'll look at a murky sight, like a giant tank of Milo. So where are the advertisements? In engineering, architecture, business, luxury, design, travel, financial journals? If really there's an underwatr hotel, it would create a buzz around these fields. But...?

    Back to costs. Developing a property needs land costs, construction costs, finishing costs (interior finishings, etc), design and engineering costs, etc. The cost of the properties and the wireless infrastructure alone could very well exceed the entire worth of the company. Bank loan? Loan to company with zero experience in property?
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