Paying for professionalism, or an association that promotes professionalism.
Couples willing to pay that littlebit more, getting an accredited photgrapher from the association.
Paying for assurance & confidence knowing that they have hired a reliable source.
Photographers, be they full-timers or part-timers being able to raise their rates gradually because they are members of WPAS.
Wouldnt this be good for everyone?
These are my thoughts, and visions.
This is why the WPAS committee spend sleepless nights, trying to get it started as best we can. Just for info, it'll cost around 20k to 30k to start the main launch even. I take it as personal challenge knowing that i helped the wedding photographer community in singapore.
There are many 'moderators' here in clubsnap, why go solo when we can band together to get it moving. Talk is cheap, be seen and not just heard.
We are looking for people to come forward to help the association, not cut it up in pieces by smart mouthing. Unless you have a valid reason for being naive because you lack the experience.
Here's how it works:
Get another photographer to cover the first 2 hours for <$200. This backup will over the groom which the actual photographer covers the bride make-up session. If nothing goes wrong, the backup will leave and just be on standby for the rest of the day lor....
Let the couple a choice to buy this insurance. It they don't then they bear the consequence.
This is what I would do to protect myself as client (not photographer POV).
Have the contract mutualised, meaning... if cancel by client liable for $x amount, then if cancel by photographer also $x (same) amount.
If it is acceptable to have replacement, then replacement must be named up front and to show portfolio to client as the client will need to accept if style and quality is of equal, if not equal then client can negotiate in such situation when photographer cannot make it and replacement is used, $x- agreed amount, or $x+ agreed amount is replacement is better.
I usually strike out T&Cs that I do not agree with and have gotten my way, usually it is just making it mutual and most people cannot disagree with that.
there is so much that a couple can accept as "fate" like photographer died in his sleep ... but if the photographer cannot make it, it should be his professional responsibility to engage someone else to cover it ...
Personally, I dun do weddings but if it were to happen to me, I would rather pay 2 times the price to engage a "last-minute" photographer than to lose goodwill ... there are too many wannabes out there and if you get stuck to a bad name, it sticks ...
on the other hand, customers who know that you go all the way out to do wat is humanely possible will appreciate it and may even recommend more customers to you.
as service providers, sometimes we have our fair share of "bad" customers. afterall, this is an imperfect world ...
if you want good services, you fly SIA or eat at hotels. Else you fly budget airlines or eat at foodcourts.
Similarly, for a viable photo business. There a cost to the level of service provided. What most couples don't understand is the overhead costs required just to shoot a paid event. It can be from backup equipments to redundancy in PC setup... all meant to insure loss of photos. So if the service requires backup it's up to the photographer to include it as part of his package. This is why we advice against too cheap a photographer, the usual phrase.. if it's too good to be true, it's usually isn't.
This translates to 2 immediate and significant benifits to the couples. 1 assurance of backup. 2 very reasonable price to pay for insuring against photographer's condition.
I can appreciate the cost of running a business. Value of service.
If a photographer quote me $888 for my AD and include a coffee table book and 300 4R and album. I think it's pretty standard out there in the market, thou I like another guy who quote me $1388. Looking at their portfolio, both have very good work, same offerings and hard to tell who's better. Im happier saving $500, and I expect him to turn up on my big day, if otherwise, I would not have engage him or be bother with fine prints that suggest otherwise. Any contract that suggest that for this lower price, do expect substandard service and lower quality? Think about it.
All terms of the contract are explained in a clear and concise manner, with both parties understanding the risks involved.
Should they feel that the contract is not something they are comfortable with, they are free to go elsewhere.
I'm a consumer, I'm demanding, I want value for money and I want my photographer to turn up on my AD. If in the event that due to unforeseen circumstances and the photographer cannot make it, he had to find me a replacement, even if it cost him more.
Last edited by vince123123; 19th December 2007 at 04:49 PM.
Last edited by Sion; 19th December 2007 at 04:52 PM.
Hello Angel1 ....
I Say ..... Good Luck to both the couples & photographers...
Imagine buying food off the streets from illegal hawkers and getting stomach upset...
If mild diarrhea then lucky, if food poisoning then god be with you, you have my sympathy.
There's also such a thing as the wrong couple for the photographer, so rather ask them find someone else...
If you really find the $888 photog as mentioned with 300 4R prints & coffee table book, do ask him to contact us as to how to make another $500 more...
I say what i say as i may not be the best but with 20 years experience shooting professionally, i can safely say 'No Good, Dont Pay' BUT come to me if you have the budget or really require a professional to do the job...
Better yet, let someone else find out which photographer infringe my copyright and i can AGAIN sue that poor chap another 15k ....
It's the same, if you want to risk that 1 in a million chance, it's your risk. Furthermore, it always adviceable to have travel insurance coverage.
For foodcourts, it's self service compared to being waited upon in hotel's resturants. Similarly, you have to self service should photographer cannot make it, but hand you his/her professional cam. Cuz in foodcourts the owner simply just dun open stall lah, hotels cannot do the same right?
Also for foodcourts, you have to try first lah. Not all have same quality, not nice you can order again or go other foodcourts. AD wedding not nice can do again?
PS. Posting such long reply using PDA can be a tedious exercise of paitence... hahaha.
Quote & Requote:
One day i want to be worth $500 an hour for a wedding job ... Hee Hee....
Serious !!! Pardon me & no offence to some i know....
What I've mentioned is only in planning. WPAS launch is only scheduled in Mar/Apr 08. I'm not sure how fast we can implement it. There's a lot of issues to sort out before implementation. Why not follow the link in my signature and feedback on what is the expectation from the couple's POV.