Folks , please stay focused on the topic. If I feel this is swaying too much into anti-govt or members against members fight, I will close this thread immediately.
I have a different opinion.
Secondly, if the coach can't trust the team (discipline or otherwise)... who will? What sort of psychological "messages" will the team be receiving?
That being said, there's 1 BIG assumption that everyone is making... and that the "last" communication has been through and matter of fact... cuz one must also understand that instructions might have already been passed but due to the anticipation of the games, it might have slipped her mind until the last moment.
The working of local Team Managers and appointed Coaches can be very, very strange, and being human subject to influence and ego, yes, they can make some fairly stupid sounding decisions.
Couple that with tons of ego and politics all round and we have a recipe for new Scrawny Cheatken fast-food.
But if the Team Managers and Coaches are the first we distrust so vehemently, who are we supposed to trust at least where sports are concerned?
Seeing how many are so worked up, and the level of mud-slinging and speculation going on here, I doubt if anything said would make any real difference, so I would only offer a repeat of what someone else suggested: Contact the SSC and Team Singapore, and seek clarification or an airing of grievences, and see if they can offer any kind of explanation that would placate all the anger here.
Better yet, write to the press or STOMP if you suspect that you would not get a process of due course or any kind of honest or satisfactory answer from the governing bodies.
At best, members here can only speculate and opine. We are not the governing nor managing bodies.
Yes you dont know alot of things, but one thing you know is blind trust. Such are the people brought up today, to obey without question.
On a balance of probabilities, I'll be more inclined to believe the TS who has a wife as a SG representative, than you who has not demonstrated any links whatsover.
Last edited by garou12; 10th December 2007 at 11:39 PM.
P.S To add talking about blind trust.... oh please pot calling kettle black.... are you not having blind trust in someone you dont know, come here make a statement and believe hook line and sinker that what ever he said is 100 percent as it was. Not saying he is lying but he might have left out some important facts.... and you just take his first thread as the holy grail....
Last edited by aeskywan; 11th December 2007 at 12:24 AM.
looking at various comments from various people i can say if the team is a mixed of the people here...most likely the team won't be qualifying for the games.
its not about trusting your coach blindly, or thinking that ur rights are breached.
Its about having the same goal towards the excellence of the game. In a team, you train together, recieve the same treatments and if u enjoy...all will enjoy together and when u lose...u lose as a team and never to blame any individual.
What the coach or manager does is for the best of the team. Some coach are open minded, while some are conservative. Different parents teach their children differently too thats why we all have different thinkings.
If the manager finds the hand phone an avenue of distraction for the team, why can't he make the decision to keep them. He haf a superior to answer to too. If the team have shown good performance, i'm sure they will be rewarded with time to call home.
Based on my experience, none of my friends have complained abt not having the freedom to call home, no R&R time during overseas training stints or competition, or not having the privilage like other non-athlete friends to eat junk food every single day...while the others are watching movies or out playing...we are all hard at training straight after school or work. We do wat our coach tell us to do...and if we find it unreasonable we ask for the rationale behind it.
Team Singapore is indeed the entire singapore behind its athletes. And support doesn't come only during Competition but every single day. So if my friend or parents cannot give me the well wishing upon the confiscation of my phone, i know that they'll always be around for me as they've always been everyday. So why make a fuss just becoz i cannot get privilage of getting in closer proximity with them by a mere mobile phone.
So before u say anyone who doesn't know anything or say u know everything...ask yourself WHAT do u know abt being in the team representing Singapore. What do you know?
I did understand that the so called Team Singapore asked my friends to represent SG and told them to make their own uniforms, paying out of their own pockets.
Can believe in Team Singapore. Just cant believe their management.
Last edited by TMC; 11th December 2007 at 12:33 AM.
To TS. Before I sign off, I wish to make it clear that in no way do I imply that you are lying. Rather that you might not have full facts and have made statements in a fit of anger. Think about it yourself rationally over the decision. You said yourself that there are some team members that are really young. So perhaps could the decision to keep the phones be a precaution that these young girls will be hogging their phones talking to their bfs or gfs late into the night.. And as your wife is part of a team wont a decision to keep all the phones as part of a team decision be done as a team and not a case of under 14 girls get their phones kept and those over 14 get to hold on to their phones. That would defeat the whole purpose of the world team right?
Anyway I am just putting forth a possible scenario and in no way I represent and sporting body. I just find that its really silly that something like this becomes a bashing session and a show of how ugly we Singaporeans really are and also how selfish... especially with remarks like other countries problems are their own problems....
So in fact, while you may speak of your experience as an athlete representing sg. You however know/felt the mentioned team only as much as anyone of us here.
Also, your rationale might not be applicable to everyone, unless you are telling me that after that mentioned brief, the entire team voluntarily left their handphones at home.. no exception.
but frankly speaking the womens team always haf such problems one...the manager or coach tends to be over protective and boyfriends are whining...but my point is that there really shouldn't be such a big fuss abt the phone thing.
if the TS's wife finds a need to call back...she can do so by asking the phone back with an appropriate reason. Otherwise i believe that she herself understood the intentions of the team manager and accepted his actions