View Poll Results: What kind of bodies you as a Professional Photographer use?

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  • Absolute top of the line (Canon EOS 5D, 1 series bodies / Nikon D2/D3 family or similar)

    12 36.36%
  • Prosumer (Canon EOS 10D/20D/30D/40D / Nikon D100/D200/D300 or similar)

    18 54.55%
  • Entry Level (Canon EOS 300D/350D/400D / Nikon D70(s)/D80/D40(x)/D50 or similar)

    5 15.15%
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    Default how many of you Professionals out there are using Professional camera bodies?

    Yea yea I know. Photography is never about equipment and i shouldn't be an equipment whore.

    But just curious, how many professionals here actually use top of the line pro bodies? And, why ? (is it because of faster AF speeds? or reliability? or even just to "look" pro?)

    to me, the definition of being a professional, would be the ability to charge market rates when it comes to photographing assignments. Typically, anything more then $80/hr (for events/weddings shoots) should be considering professional enough.

    Personally, I own 2 bodies, one prosumer body and one low end body. Felt that it's really more then enough for most assignments that i take. Of course, i'm not really a professional yet...

    come come, share your thoughts

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    Last edited by Stratix; 13th November 2007 at 02:45 AM.

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    Default Re: how many of you Professionals out there are using Professional camera bodies?

    To me, being a Professional Photographer simply means you are doing it full time as a job, your bread & butter. And its not about just charging like $80/hr (or so) for assignments.

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    Eh... Professionals dun need to really look pro right? cos they are already Pro.

    Hehe. sorry I'm not Pro and I only use Canon 400D and a Sony PNS and a Nokia Camera Phone.

    I know some Clubsnappers with really pro equipments.

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    Default Re: how many of you Professionals out there are using Professional camera bodies?

    err, even at $100/hr, you'll only take home $1200 at the end of a 12 hour day. Assuming you do 6 full day shoots a month, subtract cost of studio rental, equipment depreciation, daily operating expenses and variable overheads and you'd be professional photographer cum semi professional tissue seller along orchard road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckuang View Post
    err, even at $100/hr, .... and you'd be professional photographer cum semi professional tissue seller along orchard road.


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    Default Re: how many of you Professionals out there are using Professional camera bodies?

    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    To me, being a Professional Photographer simply means you are doing it full time as a job, your bread & butter. .

    doesn't matter what camera a pro uses as long as the client is ok with the final outcome.








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    Default Re: how many of you Professionals out there are using Professional camera bodies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake View Post
    doesn't matter what camera a pro uses as long as the client is ok with the final outcome.
    Nobody asks which brand of oven you use as long as the cheesecake tastes great?

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    Default Re: how many of you Professionals out there are using Professional camera bodies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    Nobody asks which brand of oven you use as long as the cheesecake tastes great?
    correct.

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    Default Re: how many of you Professionals out there are using Professional camera bodies?

    I think pros are more likely to use a camera that's as cheap as possible. In $ sense, a pro would want to maximise profits and use whatever that gets the job done.
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    Default Re: how many of you Professionals out there are using Professional camera bodies?

    just to clear some things up:

    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    To me, being a Professional Photographer simply means you are doing it full time as a job, your bread & butter. And its not about just charging like $80/hr (or so) for assignments.
    Well, if someone were to do fulltime freelancing (without studio and all those monthly overheads), doing $80/hr jobs on the average like 5 times a month, with 8 hours a day, that's $3200 a month! all this could be done considering that you might not have a degree, you could be a fresh grad from uni/poly! (with correct contacts in life that is)

    and of course, this is just using the $80/hr as a ball park figure. you could be well commanding a higher rate if you're doing product shots and have a knack at it...

    but well, i might just be a little naive on this part... let me know the realities in life..


    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake View Post
    doesn't matter what camera a pro uses as long as the client is ok with the final outcome.


    why worry?
    Well I’m asking, ironically, because every time you hear an advertisement (be it from Canon, Nikon, Olympus or whatever brand it is), their top end machines seems to be "built to order" for really professional professionals.

    Just yesterday, I’ve went over to a camera shop down in town, and the shopkeeper was telling me the funny part of his business. Almost all those top end cameras / lenses are sold to young chaps below 25 years old on the average. Serious hobbyists to factually correct!

    So whatever happened to the features and selling points of these top end machines? Things like insane 45 point fast AF, insane 100k shutter count reliability, insanely tough hard alloy shell, insanely whopping full framers, insanely fast 10fps bursts and the list goes on...

    i guess this threat is more of a self questioning thread. do professionals REALLY use professional equipments?

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    Let me relate to you what i feel personally. i might get it wrong, but honestly, upon reaching a certain point in technical aspects, cameras are more or less equal unless you need specifically the functionalities of a pro body. Things like full frame might be something that pros certainly need and might cripple their course of work if there're not using one. but hypothetically (and might jolly well be this case in the not too distant future), what if a full frame sensor comes into a cheap plasticy low end SLR body with say 2fps and probably 5 AF point? Poise this question and scenario to yourself, replace it with a function that you need and you'll be crippled without - but keep everything else spec-ed like a cheapo camera.

    Or even better, come forward and tell us how your cheap cameras made you who you are today - totally without the advanced features from a top end machine.

    No, I’m not trying to diss and hate top end camera owners, but is there more then that "feel good" and "confident" image you have when you're holding it? How about one day if your top end workhouse dies and your next best hope of completing that assignment was a plastic 300D? (hey 300D's good k? i won a competition using that in the era of 10fps/10mp/ISO6400)

    let's talk about your views =)
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    Default Re: how many of you Professionals out there are using Professional camera bodies?

    IMHO,

    It's not what you think about your gear that matters.

    It's what the paying customer thinks that matters.

    Especially nowadays when DSLRs are getting more affordable, any Joe could own one. And when the client him/herself thinks he/she knows a bit of photography, they would definitely want to know what camera you're using. Even singaporebrides.com has a section on "how to choose a wedding day photographer" and in it, one of the things they recommend is for people to find out what camera the photographer would be using. We know that it's the person behind the lens that matters, but for most everybody else, it's almost always the case where the bigger the camera is, the better you must be!

    Think about it: If you were paying money, no matter how much/little, for a photographer who comes along with a digicompact, maybe even a good one like Ricoh GR-Digital or Canon G9 to cover your corporate event or wedding, how would you feel? In any business, presentation is a major factor so how "pro" you look would have to be as important as your skill and technical specs of your gear.

    (That said, I know of a full-time wedding photographer who uses a Nikon D40 + kit lens as his main workhorse.)

    And FWIW, I'm not a pro, so I'm not qualified to participate in the poll. I'm a wannabe. A moonlighter, so what I'm saying is merely personal opinion.
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    haiyo, nowadays got little boys and girls with mark dIII

    then got old lao jiao damn zai pro photographer with d80 only

    is it important?

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    my uncle is in the biz for 20 over years and he is now using the same camera as me. so i think i am a pro too.

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    Default Re: how many of you Professionals out there are using Professional camera bodies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stratix View Post
    Yea yea I know. Photography is never about equipment and i shouldn't be an equipment whore.

    But just curious, how many professionals here actually use top of the line pro bodies? And, why ? (is it because of faster AF speeds? or reliability? or even just to "look" pro?)

    to me, the definition of being a professional, would be the ability to charge market rates when it comes to photographing assignments. Typically, anything more then $80/hr (for events/weddings shoots) should be considering professional enough.

    Personally, I own 2 bodies, one prosumer body and one low end body. Felt that it's really more then enough for most assignments that i take. Of course, i'm not really a professional yet...

    come come, share your thoughts

    edit: you can choose multiple votes!
    I think most of the time it's about image. Some corpcomm officers themselves are probably graphic designers and would probably know a bit on photography and would expect you to use a more 'pro' camera to do the shoot. They want to see big big flash also. So sometimes it's not just about your skills, your creative juices and your experience. It's what the client expects of your equipment.
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    Default Re: how many of you Professionals out there are using Professional camera bodies?

    If a plastic box with a hole in it can produce photos that sell, it is a professional camera.

    If a 21MP 1DS Mark III is in the hands of a beginner, it is an entry level camera.
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    Default Re: how many of you Professionals out there are using Professional camera bodies?

    Previously:
    Professional dun use very high-end equipment..they use very top quality film, photo lab and photo paper.

    Now:
    Professional still dun use very hig-end equipment..they use very high-end photo editing software, and top quality photo lab and photo paper.

    But then sometimes customers seek for professional that uses high-end equipment..its like people pursuing of branded goods; and not all branded goods are useful other than being pricey..
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    Default Re: how many of you Professionals out there are using Professional camera bodies?

    I know a pro who had been using 20D for years and still producing wonderful pictures that make big bucks. His friends had been persuading him to change to high-end camera, he is reluctant. The remark he gave "Not justifiable".
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    Default Re: how many of you Professionals out there are using Professional camera bodies?

    make them progressional photographers then already very zai just still holding on to what they think is best for them

    can deliver goods can le

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    Quote Originally Posted by boredphuck View Post
    my uncle is in the biz for 20 over years and he is now using the same camera as me. so i think i am a pro too.
    I like ur style

    Quote Originally Posted by sprintist View Post
    make them progressional photographers then already very zai just still holding on to what they think is best for them can deliver goods can le
    go for pro-camera if u r rich
    semi-pro if u are a weekend shooter

    the question is what u intend to shoot?
    alot of ppl shoot model/portrait, you think they need a pro-camera? what they need is editing software.
    get a camera which suit what u intend to shoot.

    somehow i think pro-camera is more meaningful for sport photography....
    how often u need 10/fps?

    yah... alot of youngster own pro-camera, f/2.8 lenses, but how many of them produce good photos at the end still it is photoshop
    i know some can produce good photos

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    Default Re: how many of you Professionals out there are using Professional camera bodies?

    Quote Originally Posted by juste_millieu View Post
    I like ur style
    end of the day, as long as the pro can deliver, who cares what they use. then again must know hw to manage expectations of clients.

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