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    Default Pentax K10D vs Canon 40D

    Hi All,

    I'm sure some here are interested in the comparison between these two, and this quote from Phil's review of the Canon 40D at DPR might interest you:

    "There isn't a single camera on the market which gains so much by shooting RAW and using Adobe Camera RAW to convert its images than the K10D. The difference is night and day and indeed the K10D in this comparison trumps the EOS 40D for detail.."


    That's nice to hear for us K10D owners. And we all know that the K10D JPG outputs can be fine tuned to great sharpness too if you know how


    And here is a short comparison between these two cameras and matching 50/1.4 lenses by Phil from DPR Pentax Forum:

    Pentax K10D+FA50/1.4 VS Canon 40D+EF50/1.4USM
    Originally from:
    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=25402911

    You can see some RAW converted comparison photos by the two cameras in the above first link. Here are two of them processed at the same color temperature:





    Personally (without seeing the original scenes) I prefer the colors produced by the K10D combo. The colors look more natural and pleasant to my eyes.


    Anyway, nice to see our one year old K10D matches up the new Canon 40D nicely

    As far as all the reviews I've seen so far, both cameras are capable of making great photos, both have their pros and cons. Either one would be more than enough for most photographers. Just choose one that suits you better.

    But I do like some features on the Canon 40D as well: bigger buffer for continuous shooting, different levels of RAW formats, faster AF ... But if I have to choose one from these two, I'd still go with the K10D

    Cheers and happy shooting!

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    Default Re: Pentax K10D vs Canon 40D

    Hmm, typical cooler rendition from the Canon sensor.
    Even with the K10D winning so many awards and accolades and now test comparisons, when will newbies wake up and realise this a fantastic camera at a very attractive price point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by creampuff View Post
    Hmm, typical cooler rendition from the Canon sensor.
    Even with the K10D winning so many awards and accolades and now test comparisons, when will newbies wake up and realise this a fantastic camera at a very attractive price point?
    Oh yeah, I forgot the prices.

    In the US, you can buy the K10D for as less is $600USD, while you have to spend around $1300USD for a 40D

    Pity here in SG, the price for K10D hasn't moved at all in the past 11 months Should have been lowered to around $1kSGD mark as in most other countries ...

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    Aren't we talking about colour curve manipulations here? I don't see much diff in the two cams, and if someone knows how to adjust curves the shots from both cams would be almost indistinguisble......

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    Quote Originally Posted by creampuff View Post
    Hmm, typical cooler rendition from the Canon sensor.
    Even with the K10D winning so many awards and accolades and now test comparisons, when will newbies wake up and realise this a fantastic camera at a very attractive price point?
    Creampuff, relax .......... you are scaring the newbies ...........

    Seriously, I love the details and natural colors from the K10D, but many people gawk when I show them the K10D pics showing preference for the cooler colors produced by Canon dslr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avo View Post
    Aren't we talking about colour curve manipulations here? I don't see much diff in the two cams, and if someone knows how to adjust curves the shots from both cams would be almost indistinguisble......
    Yeah, you can adjust the photos to whatever you like, and you can make them indistinguishable Then this just again confirms that the K10D is capable of producing same results as the 40D, at less than half of its cost (in US)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fengwei View Post
    Yeah, you can adjust the photos to whatever you like, and you can make them indistinguishable Then this just again confirms that the K10D is capable of producing same results as the 40D, at less than half of its cost (in US)
    Remake the same test but don't say which one is from K10d and which one if from 40D. If you want to make more fun, add as well a photo from D40x (Nikon) and ask which photo belongs to which camera.

    With 2 camera in blind test, I bet on 50% error while trying to guess. With 3 Camera, I bet on 66%. Exactly same as random choice in fact.

    The K10d is fine camera because of its features, but there is nothing related to the quality of the photographs at the end. Only Leica is able to make a camera who is so bad that you can see the difference just by the colors in the photograph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stougard View Post

    Only Leica is able to make a camera who is so bad that you can see the difference just by the colors in the photograph.
    Sad but true ..............
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    Quote Originally Posted by stougard View Post
    The K10d is fine camera because of its features, but there is nothing related to the quality of the photographs at the end. Only Leica is able to make a camera who is so bad that you can see the difference just by the colors in the photograph.
    ...and sell it at a crazy price at that


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    Default Re: Pentax K10D vs Canon 40D

    Personally, I've seen such a comparison before and I would say the 40D colours are likely to be more realistic. The comparison was between a Nikon D80 and a 40D, both using a Sigma 18-50 f2.8

    Yes, on a photo, the K10D colours look nice but if you put it up against the real thing and compare the same shot with one by the 40D, the colour representation rendered by the 40D is likely to be a lot more natural. Of course there are various factors that affect the colour too. Perhaps it wasn't clearly stated in the tests.

    Were they using identical lenses ? Identical white balance ? Identical focal point with identical focal entry point ?

    For lenses, those of you who have compared a Sigma and a Tamron and a Tokina and Nikon and Canon at the same focal length, aperture and shutter speed would probably notice that the Sigma's and Tamrons tend to look 'warmer' then the rest.

    So there are many factors that may affect the picture colours rendered. You can really say about the differences until all external influencing factors are 'controlled'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KangS View Post
    Personally, I've seen such a comparison before and I would say the 40D colours are likely to be more realistic. The comparison was between a Nikon D80 and a 40D, both using a Sigma 18-50 f2.8

    Yes, on a photo, the K10D colours look nice but if you put it up against the real thing and compare the same shot with one by the 40D, the colour representation rendered by the 40D is likely to be a lot more natural. Of course there are various factors that affect the colour too. Perhaps it wasn't clearly stated in the tests.

    Were they using identical lenses ? Identical white balance ? Identical focal point with identical focal entry point ?

    For lenses, those of you who have compared a Sigma and a Tamron and a Tokina and Nikon and Canon at the same focal length, aperture and shutter speed would probably notice that the Sigma's and Tamrons tend to look 'warmer' then the rest.

    So there are many factors that may affect the picture colours rendered. You can really say about the differences until all external influencing factors are 'controlled'.
    realism is relative

    thankyew thankyew

    i believe that most review magazines mention that nikon's colors tend to be cooler, canon warmer.. hee hee - the fact is, a digital representation of the colours and the fact that sensors are still relatively limited means that you would not get accurate colors.. and there is really too much to compare to be certain for sure, i'm surprised that you can be certain in the first place.

    besides, there is nothing that color balance cannot solve.

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    Default Re: Pentax K10D vs Canon 40D

    Quote Originally Posted by KangS View Post
    Personally, I've seen such a comparison before and I would say the 40D colours are likely to be more realistic. The comparison was between a Nikon D80 and a 40D, both using a Sigma 18-50 f2.8

    Yes, on a photo, the K10D colours look nice but if you put it up against the real thing and compare the same shot with one by the 40D, the colour representation rendered by the 40D is likely to be a lot more natural. Of course there are various factors that affect the colour too. Perhaps it wasn't clearly stated in the tests.

    Were they using identical lenses ? Identical white balance ? Identical focal point with identical focal entry point ?

    For lenses, those of you who have compared a Sigma and a Tamron and a Tokina and Nikon and Canon at the same focal length, aperture and shutter speed would probably notice that the Sigma's and Tamrons tend to look 'warmer' then the rest.

    So there are many factors that may affect the picture colours rendered. You can really say about the differences until all external influencing factors are 'controlled'.
    Well, based on the testing photos alone, I'd say the K10D's colors look more natural and pleasant to the eyes. The colors produced by 40D are obviously cooler. Of course these can be fixed by processing, but we are talking about the photos straight out of the cameras (RAW of course).

    BTW, the tester used AWB for both cameras, latest 50mm 1.4 AF lenses for both brands, same settings. Most if not all the samples produced by 40D look abit cooler than those by Pentax K10D. The tester couldn't confirm which ones look more accurate to the actual scene, so we have to rely on our own taste

    Maybe it's the lens? I know the Pentax FA50/1.4 was rated higher (except the price) than the Canon EF50/1.4 USM in most reviews

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post

    realism is relative


    besides, there is nothing that color balance cannot solve.
    I agree with you on both

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    Default Re: Pentax K10D vs Canon 40D

    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    realism is relative

    thankyew thankyew

    i believe that most review magazines mention that nikon's colors tend to be cooler, canon warmer.. hee hee ...
    Aiyah, bro, Canon cameras definitely render a cooler tone. As to whether it is realistic or not, I think we're talking small differences here and it boils down to personal taste.

    See my shots using Canon cameras (all shot in RAW and converted to jpeg):

    EOS 350D

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