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    Even vegetarian endorses killing.

    It hurts the vegetable when it's being plucked out from the ground and cut for cooking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildstallion View Post
    The artist made a good point, if that was in the street dying very few would care, as soon as its being 'shown' to people, suddenly their heart appears from nowhere and they get on their moral high ground. I dont agree with what he has done, but he raises a very interesting point.
    Agreed a point was made, but was the cost acceptable? The means do not always justify the end. You could make a point about equal opportunities for all to a free education then go rob a bank and pay your kids university. The end result is an educated person with great potential, but the method of achieving this is unacceptable.

    As for killing meat to feed humans - you can't blame humans for what nature has created. Humans are carnivors, i.e. we eat meat, how else to eat it if not to kill it first.

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    Well, it probably would have died anyway, out in the cold miserable world, at least it had shelter.

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    this is NOT ART!

    Please don't even try to argue that the a**h*** has a point to make. Total BS.

    What he is doing is a statement. He can do that and he is entitled to do that. Just don't even get close to calling it art. What next? Chained a homeless human to demonstrate another point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock View Post
    What will it achieve positively?we're here reading the article and at least we read what he wanted to say right?
    Well there you go. Publicity stunt achieved its goal.

    Sorry to me fast or slow a death is a death
    I imagine a world overrun by giant cats killing humans for lunch and them discussing if it's ethically ok to kill humans as long as its done fast and not slow.
    I'm just gonna eat my meat and hope that one day karma doesn't come to bite me in the ass
    so it achieves something positive for the guy in terms of personal gain, perhaps, nothing more.

    but then again, if you look at how his ass is going to get smacked so hard based on response.. perhaps it is not positive after all, and i doubt many will see him as a matyr if he gets pwned by the law as a result

    ...so are you saying that getting your head chopped off in one blow is the same to you as starving to death on the streets in the cold? there are many arguments about why death is feared by people.. and i would personally think that whatever it is, the less pain before it, the better

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildstallion View Post
    Well, it probably would have died anyway, out in the cold miserable world, at least it had shelter.
    Hi wildstallion,

    I am at wonder to see your thoughts on this matter

    The dog would have had a chance if (as you say) "out in the cold miserable world".

    It had shelter from what ? it obviously didn't have shelter from a cold, self-centered, un-feeling bast4rd did it.

    What seems to go un-noticed is the fact that this idiot (and what looks like others in the photo), simply could not care.

    Was there any mention of the guy going through agony hearing the dog dying ?

    No, he could feel nothing because he thinks only of his own pitiful self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
    Hi wildstallion,

    I am at wonder to see your thoughts on this matter

    The dog would have had a chance if (as you say) "out in the cold miserable world".

    It had shelter from what ? it obviously didn't have shelter from a cold, self-centered, un-feeling bast4rd did it.

    What seems to go un-noticed is the fact that this idiot (and what looks like others in the photo), simply could not care.

    Was there any mention of the guy going through agony hearing the dog dying ?

    No, he could feel nothing because he thinks only of his own pitiful self.
    Was their any mention of him not going through agony? No.

    It was more a sarcastic remark than my viewpoint anyway, I totally agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildstallion View Post
    Was their any mention of him not going through agony? No.

    It was more a sarcastic remark than my viewpoint anyway, I totally agree with you.
    Hi wildstallion,

    That's cool, as I wrote,"I am at wonder to see your thoughts on this matter" and you have cleared up my wonder

    As for,"Was their any mention of him not going through agony? No." ......why not

    If the assh0le had any feelings at all, shurely he would have mentioned it

    This is not directed at you via your reply and I understand that you feel the same about it all.

    Cheers
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    E term " ART" itself has become very abstract.
    When photography first arrived on e scene, it was not considered art at all.
    Nowadays, we can get away with alot of things n call it art.
    Looking at this "artwork", it seems like e message is wat is of key importance here. One can argue is how the "artwork" can impact ur life thereafter that is important.

    There was a gay artist in America named Félix González-Torres who had controversial works as well.

    One example is Untitled (U.S.A. Today), 1992, a heaped corner of wrapped candies in red, white, and blue foil. The amount of each "spill" was either the ideal weight of the artist's lover or the combined weight of the two. As each "spill" diminished in weight, museum staff replenished it with additional wrapped objects. The visitor was, thus, gifted by a gay man and asked, wittingly or unknowingly, to play a caring role and to empathize with the artist's love and loss.


    González-Torres himself died of AIDS-related complications in Miami, Florida in 1996 at the age of 38, leaving behind a body of work that bridges private experience and public politics and that had gained international acclaim for the artist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
    Hi wildstallion,

    That's cool, as I wrote,"I am at wonder to see your thoughts on this matter" and you have cleared up my wonder

    As for,"Was their any mention of him not going through agony? No." ......why not

    If the assh0le had any feelings at all, shurely he would have mentioned it

    This is not directed at you via your reply and I understand that you feel the same about it all.

    Cheers
    Yeah, I guess your right, he would have mentioned it to back up his decision to tie the dog up, even though it doesnt validate it.

    Thats cool, understand its not at me

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock View Post
    Publicity stunt achieved its goal.
    Well, he achieved his goal here because you chose to propagate his goal. If it were not for you, he would not have got his audience here. All thanks to you!

    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock
    Sorry to me fast or slow a death is a death
    I sincerely hope for your sake you will not suffer the death of malignant mesothelioma. I was told that this is a long painful and lingering death. I sincerely hope for all of us, when the time comes, we would all go peacefully in the middle of the night.

    But if perchance, you suffer malignant mesothelioma, or something similar, I would love to hear you say that a death is a death.
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    well.......... to quote a famous CSer's ex-signature, "Art is Dead". So if I take that literally.........yup, that's art.

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    WT*

    I'm so gonna beat him up if I know who he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anjinnete Ross View Post
    Well, he achieved his goal here because you chose to propagate his goal. If it were not for you, he would not have got his audience here. All thanks to you!



    I sincerely hope for your sake you will not suffer the death of malignant mesothelioma. I was told that this is a long painful and lingering death. I sincerely hope for all of us, when the time comes, we would all go peacefully in the middle of the night.

    But if perchance, you suffer malignant mesothelioma, or something similar, I would love to hear you say that a death is a death.
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    You get so bloody uptight over a dog's death and when there are monks being killed in burma it's no big deal
    sorry but I don't understand the hoohaa over this that could be directed at something more worthwhile

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock View Post
    shrugs
    You get so bloody uptight over a dog's death and when there are monks being killed in burma it's no big deal
    Firstly my dear sir, I presume you are a "sir".

    Where in the world did you get the notion that "there are monks being killed in burma it's no big deal"?

    You made assumptions of what others were thinking and doing? That others who wrote in this forum did not care about the monks in Burma?

    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock
    sorry but I don't understand the hoohaa over this that could be directed at something more worthwhile
    If you do not understand, why then did you post that link in the first place?

    If, as you wrote, there are something more worthwhile, why waste everybody's time with posting something idiotic, like you did? Obviously by posting and defending what this callous person did, you felt that it was something worthwhile. And if, in your opinion, it was even worthwhile to post, why then do you begrude others who also have strong contrary opinions on such things?

    Don't you think your brain connections are all mixed up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lypklypk View Post
    WT*

    I'm so gonna beat him up if I know who he is.
    Ya man. If someone does that locally, he will so incur the wrath of the law and many vigilantes.

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    Hmmmm my view, it can be called Art or not Art depending on who is looking at it. Art is after all very subjective. However to torture a dog to death by starving it to death... mmmmm I personally feel that the artist should instead starve himself to death to bring his point across. After all the dog didnt ask to die such a painful death in the name of art or in to achieve the artist's aim for fame. Since the artist thought of such a brilllant idea... then he should do it on himself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtemujin View Post
    Even vegetarian endorses killing.

    It hurts the vegetable when it's being plucked out from the ground and cut for cooking.
    sorry to OT

    but "hurt/pain" as we understand it applies to sentient beings, not all living beings.

    nonetheless, plant life is taken when the vegetable is harvested, and animal/insect/bacterial life taken during the process of planting. this is unavoidable and inevitable. if we don't eat, we also will die - which is also a form of killing.

    vegetarians don't endorse killing - that's a very skewed way of putting it. vegetarians endorse mindful consumption of food. some very strict vegetarians even stick to a diet that only consist of the fruits or beans of plants, not the roots which will directly kill the plant itself.

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    my view of this issue? the artist has intentionally anticipated, planned and directly participated in the death of the dog in the name of making a statement. Dog life, Burma monk life? all same. precious life has been taken intentionally with no obvious good reason. all same, murder. no excuse. no art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anjinnete Ross View Post
    Firstly my dear sir, I presume you are a "sir".

    Where in the world did you get the notion that "there are monks being killed in burma it's no big deal"?

    You made assumptions of what others were thinking and doing? That others who wrote in this forum did not care about the monks in Burma?



    If you do not understand, why then did you post that link in the first place?

    If, as you wrote, there are something more worthwhile, why waste everybody's time with posting something idiotic, like you did? Obviously by posting and defending what this callous person did, you felt that it was something worthwhile. And if, in your opinion, it was even worthwhile to post, why then do you begrude others who also have strong contrary opinions on such things?

    Don't you think your brain connections are all mixed up?
    uhhh
    I didn't post that link.
    read again.
    sorry I just find it amusing what people will react to,in general.
    it's been mentioned that if you post a picture of a single peron suffering you will invoke more emotion than a large scene of people suffering, in which then people's brains seem to go on shutdown in terms of emotions.
    But in relation to the posting, I'll say it upfront that I don't give a flying f about the dog.
    That's just how I feel about it. don't hate me now.I won't take offence at you feeling otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock View Post
    uhhh
    I didn't post that link.
    read again.
    I read the post again. It was my error.

    I apologise.

    It is funny that the way you replied, you appeared to make this thread "your own".

    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock
    sorry I just find it amusing what people will react to,in general.
    it's been mentioned that if you post a picture of a single peron suffering you will invoke more emotion than a large scene of people suffering, in which then people's brains seem to go on shutdown in terms of emotions.
    This is very interesting. Where did you find that? Is that an opinion by "it's been mentioned", or is that fact?

    There are many ways to respond to such events. And many ways to interpret the responses.

    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock
    But in relation to the posting, I'll say it upfront that I don't give a flying f about the dog.
    That's just how I feel about it. don't hate me now.I won't take offence at you feeling otherwise.
    It is your perogative how you feel about that dog. But a demonstration of art - well there are many who disagree. And as different people had mentioned, if he is really sincere about that as art, then he should treat himself the way he treated the dog.

    Murder.

    But I think we should not talk about the wider issue of killing, such as killing for sustenance.

    And I do hope that when death comes to you, it will be peaceful.
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