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    Angry No remorse. Audacious. Dishonest.

    Judge says of tween terror who beat up boy:
    No remorse. Audacious. Dishonest.
    AND SHE'S JUST... 12
    By Karen Wong

    September 28, 2007

    SHE could pass off as an average student in an average school. But here is her outrageous 'report card' presented in court.

    She was part of a group that caused a ruckus at a mall, for which she received a stern warning from her school.

    Worse, she was part of a gang that beat up a 14-year-old boy on two occasions earlier this year.

    And when caught, she persuaded other gang members to lie to the authorities.

    She went as far as producing letters, allegedly from some of her other gang members, to 'prove' her innocence.

    And you can't even call her a teen terror, because she was only 12 years old then.

    Meet tween terror Janet (we cannot use her real name as she's a juvenile).

    Her story, and what a Juvenile Court judge said about her and her parents, will make sobering reading for other parents on how easily children can turn bad.

    In a judgment released recently, Magistrate Wong Li Tein used strong words like 'flagrant dishonesty' and 'blatant lack of remorse' to describe Janet's behaviour.

    She was also described as 'neither forthcoming nor cooperative' during her interview with a probation officer, despite repeated reminders to tell the truth.

    Magistrate Wong said: 'Her audacity to lie to persons in authority through various means at such a young age is a cause for concern.'

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    As a result, she decided against putting Janet on home probation, and ordered her to be detained for a month in the Singapore Girls' Home, so she could reflect on her behaviour, and thereafter for 12 months in The Salvation Army's Gracehaven home.

    She also ordered that the girl be placed on home probation for the remainder of the 18-month probation order.

    So, how did Janet end up in this state?

    The Sec 1 (Normal Academic) student lives with her brother and parents in a four-room HDB flat in the west.

    Both parents have skilled jobs with a total household income of about $2,400.

    Her father is pre-occupied with work, trying to make ends meet even as he pays off his debts as an undischarged bankrupt.

    Janet is close to her 14-year-old brother. They are in the same school and she hangs out with his friends. As it turned out, she joined the gang because he did.

    In school, she is an average student, with regular attendance.

    Her parents, however, were described as 'lax and permissive'. They were observed to be 'protective' of Janet by the probation officer.

    They did not monitor their children's activities after school or the company they were in. The siblings were often left on their own after school while their parents were at work.

    Even before the assault, Janet had run into some trouble.

    She was among a group of students who made a ruckus in a fast-food outlet at Pioneer Mall in early April, leading to a complaint of public nuisance.

    A stern warning by her school did not deter her.

    On 13 Apr, she joined in the assault of a 14-year-old boy who had wanted to leave the Pa Hai Tong secret society gang.

    The gang members, including Janet and her brother, ambushed the victim at the 16th-floor lift lobby of a block of flats in Jurong West and beat him up.

    They told the victim that he would be beaten for the duration it took their 17-year-old female gang leader to finish smoking a cigarette. As soon as she lit up, they punched and kicked the boy.

    Among the attackers were three other 12-year-old girls. (See report on facing page.)

    When the gang realised a resident was looking at them, they moved to the 11th-floor lift lobby and continued the assault.

    Three days later, the group ambushed the boy again, and assaulted him by trying to strangle and choke him.

    The boy made a police report and the gang members were hauled up by the authorities.

    On 16 May, Janet's brother pleaded guilty to his charges. But at a court hearing a month later, he produced a letter from his school teacher stating that he was in class at the time of the assault on 16 Apr.

    Further investigations showed that he had misled his teacher into believing that he was in class that day.

    While he did sign the class register that day, he had then skipped his classes to join the assault.

    He was put on supervised probation for 18 months.

    Magistrate Wong said: 'It would not be conducive to either of their rehabilitation to have both (Janet) and her brother placed on probation at home at the same time.'

    She noted that Janet's parents have since recognised the need to step up their supervision and encourage her to take part in constructive after-school activities.

    HOPE

    But, she added, Janet had demonstrated a 'blatant lack of remorse and a refusal to accept responsibility for her wrongdoings', and the court needed to correct that.

    'It is only where a juvenile has understood the seriousness of her misbehaviour and takes responsibility for her actions, that there is true hope for reformation and change.'

    In ordering Janet, who turned 13 last month, to spend 12 months in Gracehaven, the magistrate said that some firm guidance within a 'structured and nurturing environment' would be suitable for her.

    Magistrate Wong ordered that Janet be put on home-supervised probation after the 12 months in Gracehaven, and that she attends an anti-secret society talk and perform 80 hours of community service upon turning 14.

    She also called for the parents to attend counselling programmes to improve their parenting skills.

    Her parents are appealing against the sentence.

    I think she watch too much movie thinking she can get away as she was young n the law cant do anything abt it!

    What happen to our society? Got Pre teen terrors! 12yr old girl n gang beat up 14yr old boy!

    Can we sugest Parents should be fined as well!

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    Default Re: No remorse. Audacious. Dishonest.

    she will be a future gang leader.

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    Default Re: No remorse. Audacious. Dishonest.

    then 10 years later in CS there would be a post : my model is a gangster

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    Default Re: No remorse. Audacious. Dishonest.

    Quote Originally Posted by advrider View Post
    she will be a future gang leader.
    Possibly a dead gang leader.

    Haven't anyone else beside me notice that the teens today are getting more and more pestky and ill behaving in public now. There was a time this was more common with the males but now more females are just behaving as bad or worst as they know how and what they can get away with and not afraid to flick out the "I am a female ace card" just to get away with it?
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    Default Re: No remorse. Audacious. Dishonest.

    not suprising, it started a few years ago

    and now the females are alot worse than the males

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    not suprising, it started a few years ago

    and now the females are alot worse than the males
    Yalor...and now even .what one of those 5 culprits who started the fire ...is a girl. ...Sigh.

    It better be a dyke man! heheheheh....if this is what will become of the the next generation of females if most are like that. Good luck to those. heheheheh.... That is like dating or marrying a rough neck.....GUY!~ heheheheh

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    I would like to think that it is not new; we simply hear more of it now because news travels so fast.

    And because the press can publish so fast to a willing audience.

    But......no.

    That would be nice to believe.

    People are getting out of hand because they have much less teaching in what is right.

    Movies and video games are putting the quality of life as nothing more than, "get what you want".

    What does not help is that parents can no longer control their children, because the children have more rights than the parents.

    What say all childern have to go to military school from the age of 15 till 17 by law

    Do you think that might change things a bit

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    We already have something like that Pablo It's called National Service. Now... we should extend that to the female population as well.

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    lol.. its pretty sad actually. it seems like the education system can't make up for these pitfalls.. i believe parents play a very important part in the kids lives especially during their 12-17 yr old period. this i think is when they are most vulnerable to external influence, be it good or bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy888 View Post
    Possibly a dead gang leader.

    Haven't anyone else beside me notice that the teens today are getting more and more pestky and ill behaving in public now. There was a time this was more common with the males but now more females are just behaving as bad or worst as they know how and what they can get away with and not afraid to flick out the "I am a female ace card" just to get away with it?
    young kids now days are being treated like kings and queens.

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    I would only blame it on parents.

    I have some friends who are like that. Most of the time they work so hard and never pay attention on their children. Children at the age from 8-18 are at the most vulnerable age. One mistake could lead them to astray........

    Sad....

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    Quote Originally Posted by htthach View Post
    then 10 years later in CS there would be a post : my model is a gangster
    already have similiar de. those no shows r an example. d worse de will strip d photographer naked & rob him of his precious equipements!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sORe-EyEz View Post
    already have similiar de. those no shows r an example. d worse de will strip d photographer naked & rob him of his precious equipements!
    I've told you must have bodyguards to do model shoots.

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    Default Re: No remorse. Audacious. Dishonest.

    Don't mess with gals power.

    The underworld is going to be controlled by females.


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    don't worry... as the people getting older, physically and naturally, most likely, male will outpower female.
    These things happen only to kids to teenage period where boys and girls are about the same strength, physicaly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raptor1988 View Post
    lol.. its pretty sad actually. it seems like the education system can't make up for these pitfalls.. i believe parents play a very important part in the kids lives especially during their 12-17 yr old period. this i think is when they are most vulnerable to external influence, be it good or bad.
    Yeah ... i think the most crucial part is before the age of 3yrs cos by 3yr the character everything will be moulded then so 0-3 is the yrs where kids are best in absorbing n learning.

    As i always say to my friends surrounding me, Nowadays kids will not accept NO for an answer so if we are able to get them to accept answer with NO best will be before the age of 3yrs, it will be much easier for the parents in the future!

    Why i said this is becos i got a few friends who 'trian thier kids to accept know when they are between 1-3yrs, now they are about 5-6 yrs when the parents say NO they listern likewise some of my other friends got to shout n scream at their kids who were not train!

    Then before the Age of 13 got to start to communicate with them as when they step into sec school it is another turning/changing point for the kids n at this time communication plays a huge part on how the kids will turn out to be!

    We got to tune them when young! Not wait till they commit something serious then start blaming school n everyone else but the parents forgot to blame themselves!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla Invades View Post
    I would only blame it on parents.

    I have some friends who are like that. Most of the time they work so hard and never pay attention on their children. Children at the age from 8-18 are at the most vulnerable age. One mistake could lead them to astray........

    Sad....
    A colleague said this to me 7yrs ago but it made such an impression on me that I think it would be useful for most parents here to know:

    "When Self-Discipline Fails, Parental Discipline Comes In.
    When Parental Discipline Fails, Teacher Discipline Comes In.
    When Teacher Discipline Fails, Institutional Discipline Comes In.
    When Institutional Discipline Fails, State Discipline Comes In."

    Dun ask what happens after State Discipline cos there's no more turning back liaoz and we all know what that means.

    So, I guess it might be a good piece of advice for all, to-be-parents, already-parents, soon-to-be-parents!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yatlapball View Post
    We already have something like that Pablo It's called National Service. Now... we should extend that to the female population as well.
    they might just end up smuggling guns out everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    A colleague said this to me 7yrs ago but it made such an impression on me that I think it would be useful for most parents here to know:

    "When Self-Discipline Fails, Parental Discipline Comes In.
    When Parental Discipline Fails, Teacher Discipline Comes In.
    When Teacher Discipline Fails, Institutional Discipline Comes In.
    When Institutional Discipline Fails, State Discipline Comes In."

    Dun ask what happens after State Discipline cos there's no more turning back liaoz and we all know what that means.

    So, I guess it might be a good piece of advice for all, to-be-parents, already-parents, soon-to-be-parents!
    That is a good statment man heh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yatlapball View Post
    We already have something like that Pablo It's called National Service. Now... we should extend that to the female population as well.
    Absolutely agree. I think it's time young women served the draft as well. Sexism in society is one thing, state sponsored/institutionalized sexism is a whole different matter.

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