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    Quote Originally Posted by wind30 View Post
    seriously, have you guys ever wondered what would happen in Singapore if thousands of people take to the streets? food for thought.
    spore police force will sent out crack troopers at a ratio of 4:1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majest1c View Post
    spore police force will sent out crack troopers at a ratio of 4:1
    is spf's ROE 4:1? only know saf 3:1

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy888 View Post
    yup would be very interesting since China is supporter of myanmar govt.
    China is also a supporter of North Korea.

    all these nations seems to have one thing in common; soldiers kill when civilians protest !
    Last edited by raincool2005; 28th September 2007 at 10:30 PM.

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    1. Of course, only desperate people who have nothing to lose protest against military governments.

    2. But there will come a time when China will hit a limit on its potential. Because free markets cannot function well without a free society,

    Quote Originally Posted by aeskywan View Post
    I believe in China, they are not reporting the news in Myanmar. Of course with the Internet, everyone can access foreign newspapers and webnews. Put it this way, in modern China now, doubtful that the educated would want to protests aka Tiananmen style. Reasoning being simple, China is growing in affluence. Hence if you can make sure the people are fed then mostly likely you are going to get the mandate of the people to rule. In addition, with China's present couth, the Chinese people are happy that they are finally respected by the rest of the world after all the years of being treated as 2nd class. Putting aside small issues like Tibet etc, the majority of the Chinese are proud that they now have much weight in the world arena. And that can be attributed to the Deng's Market Reform policies.

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    wonder how this situation will end. so sad.

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    there will be more bloodshed as their gahmen will surely come down hard on opposition.
    They are not afraid of sanctions and other stuff. Once they lose power, that's it.
    So more likely they are flex more muscle to maintain their power.
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    http://riskonamica.blogspot.com/

    here's a blog from someone inside Myanmar.

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    On YouTube, a video clip on Than Shwe's daughter's wedding: click

    Than Shwe

    Note the military junta's luxury versus the poverty of the Burmese people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madsolitaire View Post
    On YouTube, a video clip on Than Shwe's daughter's wedding: click

    Than Shwe

    Note the military junta's luxury versus the poverty of the Burmese people.
    it is a known fact to the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waileong View Post
    1. Of course, only desperate people who have nothing to lose protest against military governments.

    2. But there will come a time when China will hit a limit on its potential. Because free markets cannot function well without a free society,
    Correction.... China is doing very well without a free society on the contrary at the present moment. The prosperity of China is at present reaching a never before seen levels since the Qing Dynasty took over. Barring the North West regions which are still underdeveloped, the eastern board of China is literally a gold mine.

    Western style democracy does not work in every country not esp in China nor Myanmar. One very good example would be India, in terms of size and population it is comparable to China, in terms of education standard better than China as they are English Educated. But why are they still in a mess? Democracy is the answer. With Democracy, too much time is wasted on talk and arguments and important decisions are not carried out. China on the other hand with the CCCP's way of management, decisions are made fast and hence efficent. Not unlike Singapore. Imagine if every bill was protested, we will never be what we are today.

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    Correction: I never said China is not doing well now. I said it will hit a limit on its potential.

    Yours is a very seductive thought, and those who believe it feel justified in doing so because of China's unprecedented growth.

    The potential of free markets cannot be realised in an unfree society. As an example, companies which don't do well would collapse on their own accord in a free market, but in a closed society they can be propped up simply because somebody says so. Similarly, companies which produce unsafe products would be prosecuted and sued in a free society, but they can get away in China. Obviously, when this happens on a large scale, it creates market distortions and the economy performs below its true potential.

    You have a misunderstanding of democracy. Democracy <> protest. You admit that we do not have true democracy here but say that we have done well nevertheless. I would urge you to read alternative literature (ie not the Straits Times) to understand how well we have really done vs countries like South Korea and Hong Kong. There are many measures on economic well-being and resilience and social well-being, GDP growth % is just one of them.

    Look: Economics teaches us that the govt is an important actor in the economy. It directly influences economic policy, it can determine the direction of the economy through its budget, it can even influence the amount of liquidity through government debt. Well-thought economic policies can give rise to economic growth, regardless of whether it's a democracy or a socialist state. However, government interference in the operation of free markets creates distortions and gives the wrong signals to other players (ie the govt will save them or protect them from their own mistakes or wrongdoings), which clearly can limit the potential of an economy. This goes for both democracies and communist states, although it's harder for the former to do so on a sustained basis since they have to answer to an electorate and are scrutinised by a free press.


    Quote Originally Posted by aeskywan View Post
    Correction.... China is doing very well without a free society on the contrary at the present moment. The prosperity of China is at present reaching a never before seen levels since the Qing Dynasty took over. Barring the North West regions which are still underdeveloped, the eastern board of China is literally a gold mine.

    Western style democracy does not work in every country not esp in China nor Myanmar. One very good example would be India, in terms of size and population it is comparable to China, in terms of education standard better than China as they are English Educated. But why are they still in a mess? Democracy is the answer. With Democracy, too much time is wasted on talk and arguments and important decisions are not carried out. China on the other hand with the CCCP's way of management, decisions are made fast and hence efficent. Not unlike Singapore. Imagine if every bill was protested, we will never be what we are today.
    Last edited by waileong; 1st October 2007 at 12:30 PM.

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    I hope this is the death knell for the current regime in Myanmar. It's a beautiful country, and the people are sick of oppression and the corruption that riddles it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waileong View Post
    I would urge you to read alternative literature (ie not the Straits Times) to understand how well we have really done vs countries like South Korea and Hong Kong. There are many measures on economic well-being and resilience and social well-being, GDP growth % is just one of them.
    How about transparency international? --> http://www.transparency.org/news_roo...cpi_2007_table

    Guess which is the only asian country in the top ten in public sector transparency, ahead of australia, switzerland, hong kong and south korea? (hint: starts with 'S')
    Last edited by dkw; 1st October 2007 at 10:00 AM.

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    sweden?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbs99 View Post
    sweden?
    Din know sweden relocated to asia

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkw View Post
    Din know sweden relocated to asia
    oops!

    ot liao...back to topic
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    The survey is about corruption. I think that's a digression. I can point you to surveys about press freedom (where apparently we rank with Iraq) if you want.

    Of course, whenever outsiders say good things about Singapore, the Govt will say that the international community recognises their achievements. Whenever they criticise us, they'll say that the outsiders are judging us using "western" standards which are not appropriate to Singapore.

    1. Who's being hypocritical here? So foreigners are only right when they praise us? How come we can be judged by western standards for economic growth but not for press freedom?

    2. Do you want to debate surveys? Because for every good survey result you bring up, I can bring up a bad one and we can go on and on. What will that show-- how many surveys we each have under our belts?


    Quote Originally Posted by dkw View Post
    Guess which is the only asian country in the top ten in public sector transparency, ahead of australia, switzerland, hong kong and south korea? (hint: starts with 'S')
    Last edited by waileong; 1st October 2007 at 01:59 PM.

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    Waileong, no point trying to convince people who believe the drivel that democracy = chaos!destruction!

    Just send them overseas to live for a year and maybe they'll appreciate the finer points of democracy

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    yeah. you can argue til the cows come home. nothing will ever change.

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