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    Default RAW processing program - alternative for Lightroom?

    Hi,

    I wonder what is the best RAW processing program?

    I have used Rawshooter from Pixmantec earlier but as Adobe bought it there are not any more updates to support new RAW formats

    I tried Adobe Lightroom 1.1 but personally I don't like it. It seems that it is really done for general audience. My expectation was that it would be close to Rawshooter. Here is few point why I didn't like it:

    1) Database feature - in Rawshooter all the changes done for the pics were stored in the sub-directory of the directory were pictures were. It was easy to copy those small files to another computer - I often use my laptop to do first edit while travelling and then continue back home. Any possibilities to do that in Lightroom? Earlier also Adobe PS behaved similar and stored modification files to same directory as the original file. I don't know what happens to the corrections I made if I move the location of original files in HDD, e.g. when buying new HDD and moving all the pics to that HDD?

    2) White balance tool - you can only pic one point from the pic and if it was not correct one then you have to click the tool again. I found it annoying as you may have to select it several times. Is there a setting to change the behaviour?

    3) In develop phase the tools on the right hand side - you cannot fit all the essential settings in the same screen but to reach some of those, e.g. white balance, exposure and sharpness are far away from each others. Any possibilities to customize which settings would be top of the develop tools list? And I have big screen, so there is enough area on the screen but still it does not fit nicely.

    4) Cropping tool - personally I feel odd that I move the picture instead of the cropping area if I want to adjust the selected area. I guess you will used to that but it takes time. Also, I don't like that the picture is "cropped automatically" in develop window. Personally I'd like to see in the main window always that I have done some cropping. It is hard to see from thumbnails if there are some cropping applied to the pic.

    5) I guess there is some short cut to many tasks but didn't have time yet to investigate. Definitely those are different than what Rawshooter Premium used to have, like automatic settings (ALT-A in Rawshooter) and processing of the current file (INSERT). Does the full version have good manual with?

    Those who have used Rawshooter earlier, what was your selection for new Raw processing program?

    I have seen some people recommend Capture One. Those who have used that could you comment how Capture One behaves in the above situations?

    Are there any other programs in addition to Capture One to handle whole workflow from selecting and rating to pictures to edit and process and finally to output the pics in the desired format?

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    Default Re: RAW processing program - alternative for Lightroom?

    Try Silky Pix.

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    Default Re: RAW processing program - alternative for Lightroom?

    there is no best...its whether you like the software a not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwest2 View Post
    there is no best...its whether you like the software a not...
    You are right... the question is what is the most suitable for your needs...

    Personally I was very disappointed for Adobe Lightroom compared to Rawshooter. I was expecting smooth upgrade from Rawshooter but it is quite far away how I have used to work and what I want from the RAW workflow program.

    It would be nice to continue using Rawshooter but lack of support of new cameras forces people to change to another program. And there is always pain to learn how to use new program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tao View Post
    Try Silky Pix.
    Thanks for the tip... I'll try it.

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    Apart from Silkypix, the following RAW processors are available

    http://www.rawtherapee.com
    http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/
    http://www.cybercom.net/%7Edcoffin/dcraw/ (Linux based)

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    Hi Peter,
    upfront, i am a former Rawshooter user and i am using LR now.
    [quote=Peter_Tee;3397534]
    1) Database feature - in Rawshooter all the changes done for the pics were stored in the sub-directory of the directory were pictures were. It was easy to copy those small files to another computer - I often use my laptop to do first edit while travelling and then continue back home. Any possibilities to do that in Lightroom? Earlier also Adobe PS behaved similar and stored modification files to same directory as the original file. I don't know what happens to the corrections I made if I move the location of original files in HDD, e.g. when buying new HDD and moving all the pics to that HDD?
    LR 1.1 uses now a catalogue, you can export your pics from the laptop into a catalogue and add this catalogue to the one on your desktop at home. There is a tutorial by www.photoshopnews.com (Adobe Photoshop Lightroom Killertips on iTunes) that explains the feature nicely.
    LR saves the correction in the same way as RS in a sidecar file (*.xmp). LR 1 did it only for RAW files but LR 1.1 and 1.2 should do it for jpeg as well now.
    your corrections are in the database, when you move the file on the HD LR will mark the file red and ask you to locate it. you can move the files also within LR, which will move them on the HD.... again have a look at the video tutorials by Lightroom Killertips

    2) White balance tool - you can only pic one point from the pic and if it was not correct one then you have to click the tool again. I found it annoying as you may have to select it several times. Is there a setting to change the behaviour?
    you can preview the WB in the small pic in the right hand panel... very useful

    3) In develop phase the tools on the right hand side - you cannot fit all the essential settings in the same screen but to reach some of those, e.g. white balance, exposure and sharpness are far away from each others. Any possibilities to customize which settings would be top of the develop tools list? And I have big screen, so there is enough area on the screen but still it does not fit nicely.
    i saw some scripts that would allow you to customize. Easiest though is to alt click the arrows in the panel, this way only one field is open and when you open another one the first one closes. no scrolling needed.

    4) Cropping tool - personally I feel odd that I move the picture instead of the cropping area if I want to adjust the selected area. I guess you will used to that but it takes time. Also, I don't like that the picture is "cropped automatically" in develop window. Personally I'd like to see in the main window always that I have done some cropping. It is hard to see from thumbnails if there are some cropping applied to the pic.
    there is a little icon in the thumbnail that tells you if the pic is cropped. but yes it takes some time to get used to....

    5) I guess there is some short cut to many tasks but didn't have time yet to investigate. Definitely those are different than what Rawshooter Premium used to have, like automatic settings (ALT-A in Rawshooter) and processing of the current file (INSERT). Does the full version have good manual with?
    there are plenty of shortcuts and there are presets which RS never had. but yes you need to take some time to learn, the same time it took you to learn RS....

    Those who have used Rawshooter earlier, what was your selection for new Raw processing program?
    i used RS for almost two years and i am still convinced that LR offers more and now after some updates a better solution than RS.

    Feel free to contact me if you need more help with LR.
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